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Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

murder all rapists, rape all murderers

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Ahundredbux
Oct 25, 2007

The right to bear arms
if your partner has strong feelings of shame the day after sleeping w/ you it's probably rape

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

Ahundredbux posted:

if your partner has strong feelings of shame the day after sleeping w/ you it's probably rape

Fatties need loving too.

Maoist Pussy
Feb 12, 2014

by Lowtax
Unsurprisingly, the endemic problem is one of white cis men, blissfully ignorant of their privilege, drowning out everyone else with their basic as hell politics.




http://www.cherwell.org/news/oxford/2015/07/02/concern-at-no-heterox-purge-from-facebook-group





This group is anti-police, anti-prison, anti-heteronormative, anti-homonationalist, anti-colonial, anti-state, anti-corporate

Maoist Pussy fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Nov 2, 2015

nomadologique
Mar 9, 2011

DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO
as long as we refuse to engage we are in no danger of the guillotine

once the purges have died down for lack of biomass, things will cool off and everyone will come to their blood soaked senses

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Professor Shark posted:

Off topic, but learning about how loving hard Universities work to cover up rape was one of the most mind-blowing experiences of my life when I was 19-20. It hit me hard that the institutions that family and teachers had pushed on me could actually be corrupt, then I watched The Wire, and the rest is Goon History

I knew someone who went to the University of Guelph years ago and they had a serial rapist at one point stalking the dorms, raping several girls in one night before he was caught, as well as a girl who was raped on property that the university owned but was argued as not technically being part of campus, even though it was juts across the street of the main campus, so that didn't make the news either!
It's just so freaking bizarre to me. There's a lot of talk about men accused of rape being railroaded by university tribunals (which I think is true) but the flip side is that punishment is expulsion and the alleged crime is hushed up, which is under-penalizing the accused if he is actually guilty. The rapist is just ... let back out into the community. And there's nothing to prevent him from going to off-campus college parties. They're not serving any jail time. He's not going to end up in the newspaper.

And this is the broad feminist position. It's insane. Which is why I said yeah, the only explanation is that the campus left is being co-opted by corrupt institutions.

nomadologique
Mar 9, 2011

DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO
corruption is part of any organization; the academic left is being co-opted by abominable stupidity, and of course, $$$

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
^ Yeah it's $$$. Rapists being arrested and having their names in the newspapers is bad for the college's image. Parents might look elsewhere while gearing up to send their daughters off to college.

My argument is actually a left-wing one, too. It says the broad consensus "SJW/left-wing" position on campus rape is actually protecting rapists and institutions from accountability. I've made that argument to people supportive of private/secret rape tribunals and they didn't know how to respond. They had never been challenged in that way before.

Point being that if you're going to attack a left-wing argument, you should attack it further from the left. Or if it's a right-wing argument, attack it from the far right. It's like outflanking your opponent.

nomadologique
Mar 9, 2011

DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO
most self identifying leftists are broadly conservative, and just take popularly left positions on wedge issues

most people are broadly conservative so

cthulusnewzulubbq
Jan 26, 2009

I saw something
NASTY
in the woodshed.
im a homo nationalist

cthulusnewzulubbq
Jan 26, 2009

I saw something
NASTY
in the woodshed.
im a hhomo

glowstick party tonight
Oct 4, 2003

by zen death robot
mods knew didnt they??

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

aPOCalypse now

Maoist Pussy
Feb 12, 2014

by Lowtax
I will destroy your basic-as-hell politics.

BIG PUFFY NIPS
Mar 7, 2007

College Slice

nomadologique posted:

most self identifying leftists are broadly conservative, and just take popularly left positions on wedge issues

most people are broadly conservative so

nah polling suggests the majority of americans support or at least agree with progressive positions on lots of things, i think society just gives more weight to the opinions of older and richer people so those are the ones we tend to hear more. old or rich leftists tend to be literal compassionate conservatives tho

ANIME IS BLOOD
Sep 4, 2008

by zen death robot

mdm posted:

mods knew didnt they??

you bet your rear end they did

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

nomadologique posted:

most self identifying leftists are broadly conservative, and just take popularly left positions on wedge issues

most people are broadly conservative so
conversely most people make sweeping statements without support of any kind and take positions on wedge issues based on what people tell them their opinion is

Hometown Slime Queen
Oct 26, 2004

the GOAT
was it regular rapes or fart rapes

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

QUEEN CAUCUS posted:

was it regular rapes or fart rapes
the most insidious kind of rape, the one where you take a DVD copy of the movie "Insidious 2" and swipe it like a credit card in someone's butt crack

SEGA Ass Fisting
Feb 15, 2012

KEEP IT TIGHT!

Zio is a derogatory name for Zionists? This brings a new level of subtext to Phantasy Star 4. Jews did the Great Collapse

Testikles
Feb 22, 2009

Obligatory Handle posted:

"OK, can I kiss you?"

"Yes."

"OK, now can I finger you?"

"Yes."

"Great, OK. alright, now I am going to attempt sexual intercourse. Is that OK?"

"Yes."

"Are you sure?"

"Yes, go ahead."

*places hand on breast *

"RAAAAPE"

Sounds like an airhorn and there should be an airhorn that goes "RAAAAAAAPE"

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Moon Atari posted:

I'm pretty sure she did end up being criticised for 'apologism'. I don't think apologism is meant to refer to the literally apologising for your actions, but thats how they used it.

lol jizm

apollo jizm

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Omi-Polari posted:

It feels like they're cracking down tighter and tighter on the people who already agree with them, while the vast majority of college students and off-campus student life totally rejects everything they believe in. The Tumblr stuff does not fly in the frat house.

I don't know how it is in the UK, but the rad-progressive approach to dealing with rape has got to be a goddamn conspiracy to prevent rapists from being punished. Probably on the part of university administrations, co-opting student activists and to ensure that rape allegations are dealt with through resignations or quiet means rather than criminal charges.

Why anyone would want universities to police themselves after Jerry Sandusky is out of their minds.

In the UK we've actually had unis with "refer everything to police" policies being pressured into "everything is now handled by will peter out in our internal investigations committee with one student rep, one faculty rep, and three dozen admin drones" policies. gently caress student politics, it's full of the densest retards known to man and reliably achieves outcomes ranging from nothing of consequence to the opposite of its goals.

ashgromnies
Jun 19, 2004

Omi-Polari posted:

^ Yeah it's $$$. Rapists being arrested and having their names in the newspapers is bad for the college's image. Parents might look elsewhere while gearing up to send their daughters off to college.

My argument is actually a left-wing one, too. It says the broad consensus "SJW/left-wing" position on campus rape is actually protecting rapists and institutions from accountability. I've made that argument to people supportive of private/secret rape tribunals and they didn't know how to respond. They had never been challenged in that way before.

Point being that if you're going to attack a left-wing argument, you should attack it further from the left. Or if it's a right-wing argument, attack it from the far right. It's like outflanking your opponent.

What? In my experience it's the progressives that have been fighting this policy on college campuses, because it mires rape investigations down in university politics and brings no resolution or real punishment, serving the university at the expense of the students.

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless
Why is the university even involved in a criminal investigation? If someone is raped in a condo does the Homeowners Association get a word in?

Woden
May 6, 2006

Omi-Polari posted:

Point being that if you're going to attack a left-wing argument, you should attack it further from the left. Or if it's a right-wing argument, attack it from the far right. It's like outflanking your opponent.

So go full Tumblr?

InsanityIsCrazy
Jan 25, 2003

by Lowtax

Kleen_TheRacistDog
Feb 17, 2014

Can't bust the Krust fuckman
www.skullmund.com
we need another world war.

RISCy Business
Jun 17, 2015

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Fun Shoe
whats a homonationalist :confused:

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY

deep impact on vhs posted:

whats a homonationalist :confused:

Joseph Goebbels.

nomadologique
Mar 9, 2011

DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO

a hole-y ghost posted:

conversely most people make sweeping statements without support of any kind and take positions on wedge issues based on what people tell them their opinion is

mm, indeed

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer

spacemang_spliff posted:

lol jizm

apollo jizm

You should become a porn star under that name.
Only do sjw confirm porn though.

FormerPoster
Aug 5, 2004

Hair Elf

MeLKoR posted:

Why is the university even involved in a criminal investigation? If someone is raped in a condo does the Homeowners Association get a word in?

If the rape involved smoking or noise after ten pm then hell yeah they're gonna put a word in.

thoughts and prayers
Apr 22, 2013

Love heals all wounds. We hope you continually carry love in your heart. Today and always, may loving memories bring you peace, comfort, and strength. We sympathize with the family of (Name). We shall never forget you in our prayers and thoughts. I am at a loss for words during this sorrowful time.

Omi-Polari posted:

^ Yeah it's $$$. Rapists being arrested and having their names in the newspapers is bad for the college's image. Parents might look elsewhere while gearing up to send their daughters off to college.

My argument is actually a left-wing one, too. It says the broad consensus "SJW/left-wing" position on campus rape is actually protecting rapists and institutions from accountability. I've made that argument to people supportive of private/secret rape tribunals and they didn't know how to respond. They had never been challenged in that way before.

You're full of poo poo, the tribunal thing is just legal camouflage to protect colleges, I've never heard a feminist in any way want them.

They want colleges to protect them and stop enabling rapists to just do poo poo and get away with it, the 'how' of expulsion is not supposed to replace criminal prosecution. It's not a SJW platform at all.

I guess you're picking arguments at parties with random people as they're trying to get to the bean dip, then declaring victory over all feminism? More power to ya.

CrashCat
Jan 10, 2003

another shit post


MeLKoR posted:

Why is the university even involved in a criminal investigation? If someone is raped in a condo does the Homeowners Association get a word in?
If the condos competed nationwide in a very public space for tenants and also took donations from rich old people who would pull their money if anything bad hits the papers then, yeah, you can bet the Homeowner's Association would try to get a word in. It's a lot more competitive field in which a lot more money is being thrown around with a lot more people involved, all of which makes it much more likely to find someone to shove ethics in a corner for what they see as self-preservation.

City of Tampa
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot

akasnowmaaan posted:

You're full of poo poo, the tribunal thing is just legal camouflage to protect colleges, I've never heard a feminist in any way want them.

They want colleges to protect them and stop enabling rapists to just do poo poo and get away with it, the 'how' of expulsion is not supposed to replace criminal prosecution. It's not a SJW platform at all.

I guess you're picking arguments at parties with random people as they're trying to get to the bean dip, then declaring victory over all feminism? More power to ya.

yeah but tbf there are high-profile examples like the Columbia mattress girl where the victim won't cooperate with a police investigation for made-up tumblr reasons and seems to want the school to just expel anyone accused of rape based on the accusation alone.

the girl from the rolling stone article wanted the college to handle the whole thing too, she wouldn't go to police. So yeah, there are definitely people that are on the SJW side of the argument that want the college to handle rape cases without police involvement or even thorough investigations. You can draw your own conclusions as to why.

Ride The Gravitron
May 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
There's only two reasons I can think of for supporting the college trials over the actual police.

1: you're a rapist and don't want to go to jail.
2: you falsely accused someone of rape and don't want the truth to come out.

I'm Crap
Aug 15, 2001

Volume posted:

There's only two reasons I can think of for supporting the college trials over the actual police.

1: you're a rapist and don't want to go to jail.
2: you falsely accused someone of rape and don't want the truth to come out.
3: you're an empire-building jobsworth who needs to feel important and hopes that everyone forgets how useless and greedy you are (i.e. a university administrator)

Maoist Pussy
Feb 12, 2014

by Lowtax
4. You want all cis men to live in fear of some sort of rape Star Chamber with no oversight

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Nut to Butt
Apr 13, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
cant speak to the UK, but in the US, much of this college rape adjudication farce stems from their title ix legal liability thanks to some really ill-advised "dear colleague" letters from the dept of education in the past 5 years.

it is exclusively a left-wing phenomenon, from the bureaucrats' mandates to the administrators' implementation to the students and faculty sitting in judgment.

ask any conservative or libertarian "who should be handling these cases?" and the answer will always be "the police"

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