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Orkin Mang posted:win or lose, chelsea running for the senate is a significant moment in american political history, and, whatever our political persuasion, ought to be recognised for her bravery. but we should also not forget chelseas forebears in the suffragette movement, but for whose courage, determination and sacrifice chelsea would not be able even to cast a solitary vote, let alone run for public office. Once again we have a wonderful situation where a Trans person does something so they want to talk about how great that is and support it. While ignoring when said Trans person is also an rear end in a top hat, crazy or a huge fuckup that makes the whole community look bad. It literally does more damage than good. I really feel I have repaste this part of the wikipedia article, because this is what lead up to her 'whistle blowing': Wikipedia posted:Email to supervisor, recommended discharge Long story short she was going through some poo poo, went bum gently caress crazy, turned in a ton of classified documents somehow connected with this directly (and connected with her gender issues directly, again, making the whole loving community look bad) as a motive. She's an unstable nutjob who literally kicked the hornet's nest with absolutely no care. Snowden spent tons of time censoring documents, omitting them, etc. Being careful with who he gave everything to, in waves. Trying not to get things like field agents killed. Manning just went "HEY WIKILEAKS MY BOSS SUCKS HERE'S ALL THIS DIRT" at it's core, whatever she says now. I'm not some super pro-government person. I wholeheartedly agree that whistle blowers are important. She was a Goddamn dangerous wildcard that should never hold any political power over anything ever. ED: Long story short supporting every Trans person because they're Trans is dumb as gently caress. Support people because they fit the post. I wouldn't trust Chelsea Manning with gossip, let alone state secrets.
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Blazing Ownager posted:Once again we have a wonderful situation where a Trans person does something so they want to talk about how great that is and support it. While ignoring when said Trans person is also an rear end in a top hat, crazy or a huge fuckup that makes the whole community look bad. It literally does more damage than good. i was joking
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Former DILF posted:i think goons have had it up to here with social justice warriors and their newfangled ideas like "society" and "justice" The problem with "social justice warriors" is the same problem with the super conservative right in the 80s. It took me a long time to place the problem I had with both the right and left lately. Lately I've come to realize i just hate authoritarian behavior full stop. Doesn't matter if it's heart is in the right place or not, it's all bad. The current climate is breeding bubble-living extreme view points on all sides of the political spectrum and everyone really wants to tell "the other" how to live, how to speak, what to do. There's leading by example, then there's trying to force people through bullying them to agree 100% with all things. I don't think a lot of people really get this, I know even I didn't for a long time. It couldn't quite place why I disliked people trying to do good things so much, then I realized it's not always what you say or your message, it's how you go about saying it. Both the right and left want to point, scream and act like loving body snatchers to call for dog piling allies any idea at odds with them on even the smallest issue so there's no real debate or discussion. It's either "you agree entirely with me or I gently caress you up" and no attempts to change minds. That kind of philosophy always gets a backlash and never works. I think there's something to be said for people with a good core message that gently caress it up by trying to make people do what they want at ED: Not to mention I think a lot of things on the extreme left side (the extreme right just being pure assholes) are so worried about being fair the want to have like 500 special titles for everything which I have always thought is counterproductive. I've always tried to write with gender neutral language that is all-inclusive, which I felt was the way to really go but now apparently is insensitive or something. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Feb 5, 2018 03:44
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Orkin Mang posted:i was joking Apologies, it's SUPER hard to tell these days.
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Feb 5, 2018 03:45
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lotsa goons got lotsa opinions about trans folks
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Feb 5, 2018 03:46
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i hate it when trans people go crazy and expose war crimes
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:i hate it when trans people go crazy and expose war crimes The thing is she didn't just expose war crimes. That's why I'm saying what she did was shooting blind. She just took a whole shitload of data and dumped it to Wikileaks barely giving a gently caress what was in the rest of it. Snowden again planned this poo poo for months and tried to, you know, exclude files that WEREN'T war crimes but had things like, I don't know, the specific names, positions and history of agents in the field and military strengths and poo poo? There was no care. She jumped 0 to 100 in under a month while having a mental breakdown. There is nothing about this that's OK. ED: The irony is the general public is just shrugging about Manning while still screaming how much of a traitor Snowden is, when Snowden tried way, way harder to not be a traitor and Manning kind of was exactly that. It's just a strange comparison case.
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Feb 5, 2018 03:49
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one day goons will realize that you can be some sort of minority and STILL be crazy, and on that day i shall celebrate
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Feb 5, 2018 03:53
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your friend a dog posted:one day goons will realize that you can be some sort of minority and STILL be crazy, and on that day i shall celebrate yea but who else do we got, its not conchita wurst is gonna emigrate to america, we're a loving shitshow
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Former DILF posted:yea but who else do we got, its not conchita wurst is gonna emigrate to america, we're a loving shitshow maybe ru paul could do a little whistle blowin on the side
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Feb 5, 2018 03:57
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that was not a innuendo
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Feb 5, 2018 03:58
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Blazing Ownager posted:The thing is she didn't just expose war crimes. That's why I'm saying what she did was shooting blind. She just took a whole shitload of data and dumped it to Wikileaks barely giving a gently caress what was in the rest of it. Just callin balls and strikes here everyone nothing to see here
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your friend a dog posted:one day goons will realize that you can be some sort of minority and STILL be crazy, and on that day i shall celebrate I'll save the celebration for the day social media realizes that. I actually feel really bad for the trans community. Every single trans person that becomes a celebrity I can think of is a huge train wreck. I mean Caitlin Jenner is a generally terrible person (not that I felt any different about that when he was Bruce Jenner) for a while now, Chelsa Manning is both crazy and sort of a real traitor, etc. I don't know if it's the media's love of screwed up people in general or if most people in that community aren't really wanting to make it part of the 24/7 news cycle or what. They really need like their Ellen equivalent of just some fairly charismatic talk show host or something that actually balances the scales. I can think of many reasons it might be the case but I'd not wager to guess.
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Feb 5, 2018 03:59
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chelsea manning exposed war crimes and that rules and also she's trans and that's cool too
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Feb 5, 2018 04:01
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the serious answer is that crazy people are more likely to act out. so the people the rise to the spot light are always more likely to have some sort of mental illness spurring them on than a normal person who's just gonna sit at home and watch netflix
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:chelsea manning exposed war crimes While technically true, it's the whistle blowing version of walking into a bar, mowing down 10 people but then saying "It's OK, one of them was this real bad guy." your friend a dog posted:the serious answer is that crazy people are more likely to act out. so the people the rise to the spot light are always more likely to have some sort of mental illness spurring them on than a normal person who's just gonna sit at home and watch netflix Very likely the case. People who seek attention no matter their gender seem to be a little nuts.
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lol just lol if you care about the sanctity of classified documents or w/e
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Blazing Ownager posted:While technically true, it's the whistle blowing version of walking into a bar, mowing down 10 people but then saying "It's OK, one of them was this real bad guy." no it's not you spaz
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:no it's not you spaz If you look into it, the comparison is actually super apt. Look at all the OTHER files she put up, NOT just the ones with the notably bad stuff. A less dramatic example is more like saying you have a file folder full of bank accounts, and 3 of them in the files are run by the mob, so you publish the entire folder to expose those 3. She in absolutely no way tried to filter the relevant data or was the least bit concerned about anything. She was also doing this around the same time she was carving poo poo into chairs and hiding in cabinets. Whistle blowing is good, but this was a horribly hosed up way to go about it with hosed up reasons to go about it. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Feb 5, 2018 04:05
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you're assuming i give a poo poo about those files and i don't know why
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:chelsea manning exposed war crimes and that rules and also she's trans and that's cool too lol you wouldnt be cheer leading them if they werent trans
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haha, yeah, he is kind of a spaz. my nipples are hardening. i sense paragraphs, many of them, are in our future.
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your friend a dog posted:lol you wouldnt be cheer leading them if they werent trans snowden owns too 
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:snowden owns too nvmmmm,..... seems our politicals align... *nods* caerry on... hes good everyone. i have nothin mroe to say
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your friend a dog posted:nefarious 2.0 backpedals with remarkable grace, immediately claiming that he actually doesnt care despite posting multiple times in a row are you slow? i care about the war crimes documents. i don't care what other "innocent" documents got declassified along the way
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:snowden owns too See, we do have some common ground. I agree Snowden owns. He exposed a highly illegal program being targeted against people and was very careful about the way he went about it. Class act in my opinion.
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:are you slow? i care about the war crimes documents. i don't care what other "innocent" documents got declassified along the way So you don't care about literally dozens of people getting their heads cut off with a machete potentially? How noble
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:are you slow? i care about the war crimes documents. i don't care what other "innocent" documents got declassified along the way i think nuance is important. u cant just go around jizzing on everyone. pick ur targets w/ precision
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its like walking into an elephant park, and throwing peanuts in there, but all the elephants are allergic to peanuts, except like 2,and the peanuts are classified
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Feb 5, 2018 04:10
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Manning/Wu 2020
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Blazing Ownager posted:So you don't care about literally dozens of people getting their heads cut off with a machete potentially? lol this isn't mission impossible. there's no loving knock list Orkin Mang posted:its like walking into an elephant park, and throwing peanuts in there, but all the elephants are allergic to peanuts, except like 2,and the peanuts are classified lol
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:lol this isn't mission impossible. there's no loving knock list Maybe you need to re-read the poo poo she released, Nefarious. They've gone back and forth if anyone died because of the information but people certainly could have (even if they didn't). You can't go shooting up a department store with an uzi because they've got an illegal smuggling ring in the back. Even if nobody died, your lucky that's the case. She was careless and the only reason I can get behind a release for her at all is the fact it's well recorded she was being bum-gently caress crazy that whole month and constantly fighting with people so frankly she should have been out on temporary insanity more than a commuted sentence.
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they've gone back and forth because no one died but that doesn't help their case that she is a TRAITOR
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:they've gone back and forth because no one died but that doesn't help their case that she is a TRAITOR I mean.. I hate to say it.. but the military does need to keep secrets. Yes, they shouldn't be hiding war crimes and no, they sure as gently caress shouldn't be doing much of what they do. But they DO need to, you know, not announce everything they do to the public too. I mean I don't know what to say if you a so naive you think the military shouldn't have secrets of any kind. I mean holy gently caress if we followed that policy we'd probably be seeing a major terrorist attack every day instead of like once a month ED: Again whistle blow illegal poo poo. Mad props for ANYONE who's ever done that. I have nothing but respect for the helicopter crew that stood their ground on My Lai and saved a lot of lives and exposed what happened there. Anyone who exposes wrong doing is to be applauded. But not if they do it the cost of causing as much damage as they're fixing. If you're whistle blowing, you've got to be mindful of EVERYTHING you turn over. If you're not, you're not the good guy, period. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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approximately zero to dozens of elephants went into anaphylactic shock or not, continuing to live out the 'hakuna matata' life with their elephant families, the whole time being arguably dead from treason
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Feb 5, 2018 04:24
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Here's what I'm talking about on the scatter shot things. # of document she released: Over 700,000 Actual war crime scandals: 3 Does that sound even a little but loving level to you? Did she even know about the war crimes? Did she carefully bet 699,997+ files? ... would you want the police to randomly trash 700,000 homes this year in hopes of finding a killer or meth lab or two? Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Orkin Mang posted:approximately zero to dozens of elephants went into anaphylactic shock or not, continuing to live out the 'hakuna matata' life with their elephant families, the whole time being arguably dead from treason
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