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I've been pretty hooked on Hellblazer for the past few months. Up to issue 70 and loving it. Constantine is an incredibly cool and fun character. Can anyone weigh in on if the series gets better or worse throughout its run?
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Treebeh posted:I've been pretty hooked on Hellblazer for the past few months. Up to issue 70 and loving it. Constantine is an incredibly cool and fun character. Can anyone weigh in on if the series gets better or worse throughout its run? It inevitably has dips and peaks. Azzarello's run is unmitigated poo poo and can be avoided (you will hear some disagreement about the former), Carey's run is great, and Denise Mina's is one of the least necessary things you'll ever read.
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Jun 5, 2015 23:27
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I tried to marathon read the series and Azzarello's run was so loving bad it stopped me cold for like a year. Andy Diggle's run is also bad in that it goes and retcons some interesting aspects of John's history and makes it a lot more juvenile and 2002-era webcomic-y.
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Jun 5, 2015 23:52
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Mraagvpeine posted:I recently finished reading the most recent Fables volumes. Holy poo poo, what the hell happened? At least it's ending soon. The Real Bill Willingham happened.
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Jun 6, 2015 16:09
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Just finished reading Unwritten Fables. What a pointless diversion, both for breaking the pacing of the story (I feel for anyone who had to wait months for that to finish) and both for showing that Fables could actually have been decent if a better writer had a handle on it. It was good to see Mr. Dark actually be evil and do stuff instead of just nyar har haring in his castle and killing a few errant dudes.
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Jun 24, 2015 04:55
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GrandpaPants posted:Just finished reading Unwritten Fables. What a pointless diversion, both for breaking the pacing of the story (I feel for anyone who had to wait months for that to finish) and both for showing that Fables could actually have been decent if a better writer had a handle on it. It was good to see Mr. Dark actually be evil and do stuff instead of just nyar har haring in his castle and killing a few errant dudes. Yes it wAs awful at the time too but you gotta admit it has a fuckin great ending.
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Jun 24, 2015 08:47
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I stand by it's the best thing to come out of Fables in a long time but the worst part of The Unwritten.
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Jun 24, 2015 15:14
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So I finally finished marathoning through Unwritten, and I thought that the pacing in the second half was a lot worse. The jumps were just a lot bigger and inexplicable, and I felt that the introduction of Didge (who really needed to be in it more) and Daniel Armitage (who really did not) just felt like a waste, since they ultimately didn't lead to anything. I guess without that backbone of conspiracy the pacing didn't have something quite as strong to work with, especially without much in the way of an antagonist until the end, but I was hoping for more of a buildup for that final confrontation, so much so that I almost feel that there was a volume missing or something. The Fables volume felt even more of a waste in this regard, since it didn't do a goddamn thing in setting anything up. I'm still not even sure what Rausche's endgame was, and although mostly superfluous, what the deal with Pullman's hand was. Also, anything involving Wilson in the last issue was pretty heartbreaking. Overall still a great read, but doesn't quite hit the same high notes as Lucifer or Sandman.
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SDCC: Vertigo Adds 12 New Titles to Its Fall Lineup http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/sdcc-vertigo-adds-12-new-titles-to-its-fall-lineup quote:In addition to continuing series "American Vampire," "Astro City" and"Suiciders," DC Comics' creator-driven imprint Vertigo will launch twelve new titles from both Vertigo veterans and creators new to the line, including Darwyn Cooke, Gilbert Hernandez, Mike Allred, Holly Black, Lauren Beukes and Gail Simone. At their Comic-Con International panel on Thursday, Vertigo announced the titles and creative teams for the series, which will debut over a three-month period starting in October.            
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Jul 10, 2015 02:23
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I love Darwyn Cooke, but why the gently caress would anyone need to draw for Gilbert Hernandez besides Gilbert?
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Jul 10, 2015 02:31
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Someone, who is not Mike Carey, is writing a new Lucifer series? I am unsure how to feel about this.
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cptn_dr posted:Someone, who is not Mike Carey, is writing a new Lucifer series? I am unsure how to feel about this. It's bound to be better than the TV show.
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Jul 10, 2015 04:25
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Thank you, DC, for announcing so many lackluster "refreshes" for your fall launches (though Amy Chu writing Poison Ivy oughtta be cool), I can pick up the best of these Vertigos instead. Hot diggity drat, this news makes me happy!
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Jul 10, 2015 04:55
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Mraagvpeine posted:It's bound to be better than the TV show. You're assuming it doesn't tie straight into the TV show that launches at the same time. The end of Carey's run was final. This can't be a sequel and be good.
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Jul 10, 2015 08:22
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Lucifer, Mazikeen, the Lux nightclub, Duma and Remiel and such appeared as part of the Sandman IP. Who owns the story elements written solely by Mike Carey? the Carey-written series did have some sequel bones tossed in at the end (the last appearance of Izanami) but was otherwise self-contained it is apparently not a sequel, but "good" remains to be seen: quote:Black and Garbett’s ongoing “Lucifer” series will find God dead and the erstwhile lord-of-Hell-turned-nightclub-impresario accused of the murder by no less than his own angelic brother, Gabriel. If Lucifer can prove his innocence, not only will his sins be forgotten – but he’ll be welcomed back into the Silver City. (The character is also the subject of an upcoming television adaptation on Fox.) quote:LUCIFER
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ronya posted:Lucifer, Mazikeen, the Lux nightclub, Duma and Remiel and such appeared as part of the Sandman IP. Who owns the story elements written solely by Mike Carey? It also ends with Lucifer irrevocably leaving creation and God still alive, so this plot literally cannot work within continuity unless Bobby Ewing is God.
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ronya posted:Lucifer, Mazikeen, the Lux nightclub, Duma and Remiel and such appeared as part of the Sandman IP. Who owns the story elements written solely by Mike Carey?
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Endless Mike posted:DC. Carey might have some portion of it, but I kinda doubt it. Pretty sure he has none as he was working on a non creator owned series.
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Jul 20, 2015 20:42
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The last volume of Fables came out. Who read it and how disappointing was it? I'm not sure I want to read it.
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Mraagvpeine posted:The last volume of Fables came out. Who read it and how disappointing was it? I'm not sure I want to read it. It had this 
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What are the essential Vertigo series?
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Kurtofan posted:What are the essential Vertigo series? Depends what you means? The "classics" (or first wave) would be stuff like Sandman, Preacher, Transmetropolitan, Invisibles, Doom Patrol, Lucifer. You could also go into the proto-Vertigo titles (ie stuff that was released before Vertigo existed but helped make Vertigo what it is, for which Sandman kind of falls into). These titles include Alan Moore's Swamp Thing run and Morrison's Animal Man. Post first wave stuff includes Y: The Last Man, 100 Bullets, Sweet Tooth, Fables, Unknown Soldier, Unwritten. All of these would be considered "essential" and are really excellent books (I guess excepting Fables which I haven't read and seems to get mixed reviews).
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Jul 30, 2015 17:31
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Kurtofan posted:What are the essential Vertigo series? In terms of the ones that are most popular/influential, I'd say Sandman, Lucifer, Hellblazer, Swamp Thing, Preacher, Y: The Last Man, Unwritten, Fables? Maybe 100 Bullets and DMZ? Looking through the Vertigo list on Wikipedia now, I completely forgot about Saucer Country... man, I really wish they hadn't axed that after a year, it was like my ideal blend of racial politics and alien conspiracy theories.
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Jul 30, 2015 17:32
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Essential Vertigo is Sandman (including Death: The High Cost of Living but not the ancillary material), Lucifer, Hellblazer, Swamp Thing, Y: The Last Man, The Unwritten and Transmetropolitan. That doesn't mean there isn't other stuff you should read, but that's the core.
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Jedit posted:Essential Vertigo is Sandman (including Death: The High Cost of Living but not the ancillary material), Lucifer, Hellblazer, Swamp Thing, Y: The Last Man, The Unwritten and Transmetropolitan. That doesn't mean there isn't other stuff you should read, but that's the core. This is the right answer but you forgot Preacher and Scalped, assuming you want to be depressed.
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Aug 1, 2015 23:47
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Mraagvpeine posted:The last volume of Fables came out. Who read it and how disappointing was it? I'm not sure I want to read it. Everything kinda fizzles out. Remember how Gepetto growing new wooden soldiers was an important plot point? That storyline is never going to be resolved
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Treebeh posted:This is the right answer but you forgot Preacher and Scalped, assuming you want to be depressed. Preacher isn't essential. It would have been, if it had run 24 or 36 issues and cut out most of the pointless sexual perversion, but as was it was bloated and it lost its own continuity halfway through.
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Finally got around to reading the final Fables. For a comic that at one point was probably my most looked forward to release each month, I'm amazed by how little I really cared about it by the end,. It's a shame because I'm pretty sure it was a legit great comic at one point, but by the end I cared so little about any of the characters and wasn't at all invested in any of the conflicts. The Snow\ Red rivalry seemed so forced it was had to believe, and I don't think anyone ever seriously expected the series to end with Bigby as a bad guy, so there wasn't a whole lot of tension there. And Brandish had to keep fighting people for like a hundred issues and that was pretty dull too. So I'm glad to see something I once loved finally put out of it's misery. I did really enjoy some of the back up material though. A lot of the 'Final Stories' after the main story were kind of fun and interesting and the Dare one particularly got a little pang out of me, which surprised me, seeing as how I thought I felt nothing for any of these characters. Plus its good not to be giving Bill Willingham any money any more, since he seems to be going full on Frank Miller: http://www.themarysue.com/dissenting-opinions-may-occur/ Also, in Vertigo chat, I don't think anyone's mentioned The Invisibles which is pretty classic Vertigo. As for more recent stuff, you're doing yourself a massive disservice if you don't read Daytripper because it is a beautiful thing. I also have a massive soft spot for Army@love, if anyone even remembers that one. Edit: Alhazred posted:Everything kinda fizzles out. Remember how Gepetto growing new wooden soldiers was an important plot point? That storyline is never going to be resolved Did you actually read the last issue? Because this was addressed. krakagar fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Aug 4, 2015 |
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Aug 4, 2015 11:55
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krakagar posted:
Gepetto makes a speech in front of his wooden soldiers and then it ends. That's not resolution
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Alhazred posted:Gepetto makes a speech in front of his wooden soldiers and then it ends. That's not resolution I guess. But it shows that Gepetto followed through with his plan to create more soldiers and try and build a new empire, which was always his plan. We don't see what happens next, but I think it's enough. The point of all those stories was to show that the mundy world is magical now, and also that there are plenty more stories to be told that we just wont see. Not everything gets tied up neatly in a bow. I guess they could have done another arc or a spin off or something about it if they wanted to, but you could do that with hundreds of other characters and sub plots. I don't think it particularly detracts from the overall ending of the series though. Unless you're saying that they built it up to be a bigger plot point than it eventually turned out to be? I don't particularly remember it being a massive thing, but then again I haven't re-read any of the more recent Fables stuff and might well have forgotten the significance of it.
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Generally if you introduce a plot point you should finish it no matter how unimportant is. Though it being unimportant is just sloppy writing in general.
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Jedit posted:Preacher isn't essential. It would have been, if it had run 24 or 36 issues and cut out most of the pointless sexual perversion, but as was it was bloated and it lost its own continuity halfway through. If bloat and losing the plot get you off the list then better remove Transmet and Y, and maybe Lucifer, and definitely not Invisibles or 100 Bullets. Alternatively Preacher is representative of Vertigo's better output and despite bloat and meandering is an decently paced, entertaining book that doesn't crash and burn nearly as badly as other books from the same era, and also had a good wraps things up final issue. Other good additions would be Sweet Tooth, American Vampire, Doom Patrol, Animal Man, and The Filth.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Generally if you introduce a plot point you should finish it no matter how unimportant is. Though it being unimportant is just sloppy writing in general. I get what you guys are saying, and if you didn't like that particular part, that's fine. But I don't really see how it wasn't resolved? I mean he was threatening to raise an army again, and was then shown to be following through on that threat. It wasn't left dangling. Not that I'm saying Willinghams writing hasn't been sloppy in places, and there's lots I didn't like about parts of Fables, but I don't really get the problem with this one aspect.
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Also if you want bloated, meandering Vertigo then I give you Shade, the Changing Man. Christ that book took a nosedive after issue 25 or so... and ended nearly 50 issues later.
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Zachack posted:If bloat and losing the plot get you off the list then better remove Transmet and Y, and maybe Lucifer, and definitely not Invisibles or 100 Bullets. Alternatively Preacher is representative of Vertigo's better output and despite bloat and meandering is an decently paced, entertaining book that doesn't crash and burn nearly as badly as other books from the same era, and also had a good wraps things up final issue. What this guy said. Especially about 100 Bullets which starts of great but looses momentum quickly. I think The Filth might be Morrisons most perfect book.
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Ahahaha inviting Bill Willingham to moderate a panel on Writing Women in Comics is about as smart an idea as asking Frank Miller to speak on sensitive depictions of Islam. Dude is just not equipped; his female characters have always been clumsily written and very sexist, even when Fables was "good."
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krakagar posted:What this guy said. Especially about 100 Bullets which starts of great but looses momentum quickly. He was saying that 100 Bullets wasn't bloated, I thought.
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Jedit posted:He was saying that 100 Bullets wasn't bloated, I thought. I worded it poorly but 100 Bullets is definitely bloated yet frequently referred to as a Vertigo classic.
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krakagar posted:I get what you guys are saying, and if you didn't like that particular part, that's fine. But I don't really see how it wasn't resolved? I mean he was threatening to raise an army again, and was then shown to be following through on that threat. It wasn't left dangling. Not that I'm saying Willinghams writing hasn't been sloppy in places, and there's lots I didn't like about parts of Fables, but I don't really get the problem with this one aspect. Did he do with the army? No? Then yeah it was left dangling.
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100 Bullets is padded as gently caress. Also, not very good.
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