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Leatherhead posted:I'm pretty sure we're agreeing with each other? I know Woo stole food, I'm saying if there was a big production conspiracy against Woo, they probably wouldn't have invited him back. Sorry, I couldn’t tell tone from text and thought you were being sarcastic. Also yeah Garth is correct, they just screwed up the answers.
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mp5 posted:Idk if I’d go thaaaaaaat far with Woo lol  Omg I can't believe it's been over 5 years since I first posted that here. Im so old. I did it a lot better that time it looks like.. I was lazy this time and also didn't include a spoiler that it was a made up Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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I choose to believe everyone who gets on the show just gets given one of those.
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I'll let you know when they cast me 😎
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Just had the cursed thought of imagining an all Goon season of Survivor.
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Raxivace posted:Just had the cursed thought of imagining an all Goon season of Survivor. Gabon was a bad season
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Nihonniboku posted:Gabon was a bad season  
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Just got to the end of heroes and villains. I did not see that coming. Sandra mostly just survived without any big plays. I figured Parvity was a lock. Not at all surprised by Russell not getting any votes.
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Demon_Corsair posted:Just got to the end of heroes and villains. I did not see that coming. Sandra mostly just survived without any big plays. I figured Parvity was a lock. Not at all surprised by Russell not getting any votes. I think the jury gave her a lot of credit for trying to warn the heroes about Russell, even though by the time they realized she was right, it was way too late to save themselves e: Regarding Russell, I think he was hamstrung a bit by playing HvV before he even knew the outcome of Samoa. He knew how to get to the final three and did it twice, but he had no chance to realize how many bridges he burned along the way. Would love to see what happens in the timeline where everyone on the HvV cast got to see Samoa before they started shooting ninjahedgehog fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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Re: Heroes v Villains There was a lot going on behind the scenes. You were correct that Russel got to the final 3 twice without knowing the outcome of his first time. It would have been crazy for him to win 2 seasons in a row, but obviously we know that will never happen. That said, he benefited a lot from the other players not really knowing who he was. Apparently he really tried to play it up by pretending to read a bible or something when they were all at the airport to give everybody the wrong impression of who he is. When the season first aired, there were a lot of rumors going around that Parvati was friends with the casting director who tipped her off to make sure she made an alliance with Russel, which is why she was the only person to really be fully on board with him.
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On the HvV talk: Sandra I have never seen how she's able to be seen as this mastermind manipulator when every season I've seen her in she just sits on the side, doesn't even talk a big game, and then doesn't win. Was she just that incredible in her first season that she's considered a god? Hell, I'm watching Traitors Season 2 and the only thing she's done is contribute promo images.
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Diabetic posted:On the HvV talk: Sandra I have never seen how she's able to be seen as this mastermind manipulator when every season I've seen her in she just sits on the side, doesn't even talk a big game, and then doesn't win. Was she just that incredible in her first season that she's considered a god? Hell, I'm watching Traitors Season 2 and the only thing she's done is contribute promo images. No, her strategy her first two seasons worked for her, she had a policy of, "anybody but me." Nobody ever saw her as a threat, and she got lucky and was placed in the finals where people liked her more than the other choices. I keep on forgetting she's on Traitors until she shows up inexplicably wearing nurse's scrubs, with braces, and huge unexplained gash on her forehead.
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I've never understood why Sandra won HvV over Parvati. Even when people try to explain it to me it always feels like they're trying to justify that it happened instead of explaining why it happened
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IcePhoenix posted:I've never understood why Sandra won HvV over Parvati. Even when people try to explain it to me it always feels like they're trying to justify that it happened instead of explaining why it happened I think because people hated Russel that much that Parvati's association with him burned her, so they voted for the only other option. I think had Jerri made the final 3, she probably would have won.
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Nihonniboku posted:I think because people hated Russel that much that Parvati's association with him burned her, so they voted for the only other option. I think had Jerri made the final 3, she probably would have won. Parvati actually argued for taking Jerri to the end over Sandra because she got the distinct vibe that Sandra would win. I think the aforementioned connections/interactions with/warnings to the Heroes really did a lot for her (Sandra). Jerri was just kind of on the Russell train and I agree with Parv that her own win equity probably would have been higher against Jerri. That's fan fiction, of course. Russell acts like a spoiled babby when he doesn't get his way. How he was ever able to convince people to go along with him, I'll never understand. I'll just say that Russell's stint on Australian Survivor is glorious.
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Wasn't Jerri in the same alliance with Russell/Parv? It's possible she'd get a pass from the jury just for taking more of a backseat while Parv worked more closely with (and at times, against) Russell... but that wouldn't make much sense either Sandra is much more active with gameplay in the seasons she loses lol Nihonniboku posted:Re: Heroes v Villains
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Few things about HvV: Russell hit the beach in HvV absolutely CONVINCED he had won Samoa. He thought they wouldn't have sent him if he didn't win, thought he played a masterful game, and wanted to repeat it because he thought he was brilliant. At the Samoa Finale/reunion you can see him, in real time, realize that he lost two games of Survivor and it hits him like a ton of bricks. With Parvati and Russell's alliance in HvV, they were constantly and openly backstabbing and undermining each other, taking out each other's allies, and it made them both look weak because they just kept letting it happen. If Parv had made a move and been responsible for dumping him at like F6/F5, I think she could have cleaned up easily, but she was so tied to Russell and let him damage her game and the jury saw that. Someone mentioned it earlier but that final conversation where she says "Sandra will win if we take her, we need to take Jerri" and Russell basically shuts her up and won't do it is emblematic of why she wasn't able to ultimately win.
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Nihonniboku posted:No, her strategy her first two seasons worked for her, she had a policy of, "anybody but me." Nobody ever saw her as a threat, and she got lucky and was placed in the finals where people liked her more than the other choices. I keep on forgetting she's on Traitors until she shows up inexplicably wearing nurse's scrubs, with braces, and huge unexplained gash on her forehead. She hit her head on a gravestone in the spotlight mission
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https://variety.com/gallery/survivor-46-cast-photos/survivor-42/ Official cast is out. Come for the slot machine salesman whose nickname is his last name, stay for the fact that there's only one actor this time.
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Sighence posted:https://variety.com/gallery/survivor-46-cast-photos/survivor-42/ My god I don't think I've ever seen a more obvious "find the lawyer" player in history. Not feeling the vibes from my first skim but maybe having slightly lowered expectations will make the season more enjoyable. Gonna Pony Randen and Poison Maria off of the vibe read IcePhoenix fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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Demon_Corsair posted:Just got to the end of heroes and villains. I did not see that coming. Sandra mostly just survived without any big plays. I figured Parvity was a lock. Not at all surprised by Russell not getting any votes. The jury votes for the person they want to win their season, not the person who did strategy the best.
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curiousCat posted:The jury votes for the person they want to win their season, not the person who did strategy the best. Maybe I’m just so used to the newer seasons where everyone is constantly talking about their “resume” that I just assumed it was a thing. And if you are are up against the prime rear end in a top hat of the season, and the main ally of said rear end in a top hat, then just being there may be enough.
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Demon_Corsair posted:Maybe I’m just so used to the newer seasons where everyone is constantly talking about their “resume” that I just assumed it was a thing. The jury rules get distorted quite a bit when it's a returnee season and the entire cast has prior relationships and cliques with each other.
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Demon_Corsair posted:Maybe I’m just so used to the newer seasons where everyone is constantly talking about their “resume” that I just assumed it was a thing. Older seasons, people definitely played more emotionally, and took greater offense to being voted out, or about alliances breaking up. They do talk about their resume a lot more these days, but it doesn't mean that people don't factor in likability. The jury has been open about the fact that they voted for Gabler simply because they really liked the guy. He didn't really have any flashy moves, but they said that he was great to talk to, and a fantastic listener. I believe that if Russel was a new player on a modern season, and managed to make it to the final 3, because of his rear end in a top hat behavior (that he continues to do this day), he probably still lose.
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Nihonniboku posted:The jury has been open about the fact that they voted for Gabler simply because they really liked the guy. He didn't really have any flashy moves, but they said that he was great to talk to, and a fantastic listener. To be fair to the jury he was also going up against two other people that did nothing
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Demon_Corsair posted:Maybe I’m just so used to the newer seasons where everyone is constantly talking about their “resume” that I just assumed it was a thing. i mean i don't wanna just say "you're watching the show wrong" but This is what people mean when they talk about the shift in the show's presentation of how a juror "ought to vote" starting around Cagayan onwards. It benefits the producers to shift this perception and turn it into some bullshit about the jurors should "respecting the game" because it makes crafting a storyline afterwards easier. They ended the Cagayan FTC with Spencer's snotty little speech about that for a reason. The problem for production is that jurors always have, and always will, vote for people they like more than they will vote for strategic mastermind heartless gamebots. (just like Gabler) So when you watch a <27 season, you won't get hit over the head with "YOU HAVE TO MAKE BIG MOVES" and "YOU NEED A RESUME" the way it happens now. Think back on HVV and Parvati's role in it: what did we actually see her do? She buddied up with Russell immediately, and tied her game to his until at minimum the merge Sent out JT using the idol he gave to Russell, made fun of JT and his letter a lot afterwards (like A LOT, to the point that jurors commented on it afterwards). Burned the bridge with Amanda, probably lost her jury vote there Didn't build, or at least maintain, nearly as many relationships as Sandra did. I think Parv went in expecting to use her pre-game relationships with many of the Heroes (Amanda, Cirie, James, and probably a few others) when the merge happened, but those people either got voted out too fast or saw better, non-Russell-adjacent options elsewhere.
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mp5 posted:i mean i don't wanna just say "you're watching the show wrong" but I like that the older seasons don’t have that, where people are talking in confessionals how they need to force a big role to look good to the jury. Like there is a formula, find x idols execute y blind sides = win. Wasn’t there a big thing when Gabler won because no one saw it coming? The show seems to show conflict more then anything, so while Sandra or Gabler, it feels like it comes up of no where. Watching HvV you would have though Sandra was an outsider. On the bottom of he villains alliance, and sold out every time she tried to work with the heroes. I will admit, my view of Parvati was coloured having just finished fans vs favourites before starting heroes vs villains. And I’m glad Jeff stopped calling her poverty.
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Demon_Corsair posted:Wasn’t there a big thing when Gabler won because no one saw it coming? The show seems to show conflict more then anything, so while Sandra or Gabler, it feels like it comes up of no where. He didn't have much of a resume, but my friends and I noted early on that he seemed to be getting a winner's edit, as limited as it was.
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Demon_Corsair posted:Wasn’t there a big thing when Gabler won because no one saw it coming? The show seems to show conflict more then anything, so while Sandra or Gabler, it feels like it comes up of no where. Yes, his win was not well-constructed from a show/storytelling perspective. The hardcore Edgic-followers got real upset after their Cassidy and Karla picks were proven wrong. Gabler's edit was a lot more low-key but everyone who wasn't already married to their picks should have suspected something about Gabler from the merge. Or that one endurance immunity challenge, where Gabler dedicated every minute to a new troop or health care worker or someone and the show devoted lots of airtime to it. (I also picked Cassidy, whoops) Ideally, the show gives us something between a mostly-hidden win like Gabler's (or Natalie White from Samoa lol) and blatant coronation wins like Dee's that are so obvious it's settled by the merge. To do that well--as the older seasons often do--you need multiple people to have cohesive stories. Also remember people who are the real root cause of tribal conflict--like Kass in Cagayan--don't often win, especially not when there's a Final 3.
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Sighence posted:https://variety.com/gallery/survivor-46-cast-photos/survivor-42/ no loving chance jelinsky
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mp5 posted:Sent out JT using the idol he gave to Russell, made fun of JT and his letter a lot afterwards (like A LOT, to the point that jurors commented on it afterwards). So it's probably more about not wanting to let Russell's side win Nihonniboku posted:He didn't have much of a resume, but my friends and I noted early on that he seemed to be getting a winner's edit, as limited as it was. People sometimes blame the editors for not telling the winner's story properly but I'm pretty sure that in his case that was some of the best stuff they had to work with and they tried. Just "this guy was affable around camp and people liked him" is harder to show... but the biggest reason I think everyone's minds were blown is because he was shown as such a buffoon pre-merge (and even his merge vote on Elie was kinda funny) so we were kind of left with that impression while the actual players in the game spent the entire day with him everydya and saw him as a lot more than that. Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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Invalid Validation posted:Parent coach sounds like someone didn’t want to call themselves a stay at home mom. Sounds like a fancy way to say Mommy Blogger. She has poison written all over her.
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I feel like I need to stress again that Gabler getting a "well I guess the jury just liked him" win isn't that out there because neither of the people he was going against did anything either. The jury had nothing to vote for in that finals outside of who they liked more.
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IcePhoenix posted:I feel like I need to stress again that Gabler getting a "well I guess the jury just liked him" win isn't that out there because neither of the people he was going against did anything either. The jury had nothing to vote for in that finals outside of who they liked more. I don't even remember who was there with him at the end!
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