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Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Pontius Pilate posted:

The mil hist thread seems like the de facto general history thread. Spans all of history and you can't military history without social, economic, etc history these days. I don't think anyone has ever been run out because their history related question fell into the wrong sub field. And if ya don't give a drat about the minute differences between tank model A vs tank model A.01 those types of posts are easy enough to scroll past.

It recently had about a half-a-page earnest-ish discussion of why the NCR lost the battle of the hoover dam. If there's a topic that can get you run out of that thread, I haven't seen it yet but it's probably about tank destroyer doctrine

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Jazerus
May 24, 2011


Ainsley McTree posted:

It recently had about a half-a-page earnest-ish discussion of why the NCR lost the battle of the hoover dam. If there's a topic that can get you run out of that thread, I haven't seen it yet but it's probably about tank destroyer doctrine

Wojtek.

Pontius Pilate
Jul 25, 2006

Crucify, Whale, Crucify
I still don't know why wojtek dropped the bomb on Hiroshima when the Americans had so many tank destroyers ready to invade.

Jeb Bush 2012
Apr 4, 2007

A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

Pontius Pilate posted:

The mil hist thread seems like the de facto general history thread. Spans all of history and you can't military history without social, economic, etc history these days. I don't think anyone has ever been run out because their history related question fell into the wrong sub field. And if ya don't give a drat about the minute differences between tank model A vs tank model A.01 those types of posts are easy enough to scroll past.

You could say the same for a lot of fields (what doesn't interact with social history?) but obviously the fact that it's the military history thread is going to massively skew discussion towards comparing pike lengths so it would be better to have a thread that favours more general interests

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.

Friendly Humour posted:

Which is why having a single Ask/Tell thread for History would be a good thing. Unnecessary compartmentalisation is unhealthy and annoying for reading. There's a reason why I have read every page of this thread and not a single one of that other thread. And it's because I noticed that this thread is great, which is why I read it.

I have the opposite view; I'm very interested in some of the discussions in this thread and not at all interested in discussions about topics in, say, the military history thread. Threads tend to be dominated by whatever conversation/clique is the largest/loudest, and so I think the quality and range of topics would decline if the threads were joined.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

fantastic in plastic posted:

I have the opposite view; I'm very interested in some of the discussions in this thread and not at all interested in discussions about topics in, say, the military history thread. Threads tend to be dominated by whatever conversation/clique is the largest/loudest, and so I think the quality and range of topics would decline if the threads were joined.

That doesn't really make any kind of sense to me for a number of reasons, but I'm not going to start defending threads I don't read much. Cheers!

Jamwad Hilder
Apr 18, 2007

surfin usa

Jeb Bush 2012 posted:

it would be better to have a thread that favours more general interests

There's one in the Academia subforum for Ask Tell.

Pontius Pilate
Jul 25, 2006

Crucify, Whale, Crucify

Jamwad Hilder posted:

There's one in the Academia subforum for Ask Tell.

That one is more for history grad students and historiography though.

Man there's a lot of history threads scattered about.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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Can't post for 10 years!

Pontius Pilate posted:

Man there's a lot of history threads scattered about.

Sort of me point really. History A/T threads don't really get that many posts to make them unreadable, so merging them probably wouldn't hurt. I know this is more of a QCS kind of thing, but since so few read that forum to begin with I figured I'd post my suggestions here.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Pontius Pilate posted:

That one is more for history grad students and historiography though.

Link that poo poo.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Cast_No_Shadow posted:

I feel we are good with the three way setup we have now. Mil history for the tank circle jerks. That other one for star fort for bow fuckery and this one for really old stuff.

Yeah I'm going to leave this as specifically ancient history but if someone posts a medieval thing and we talk about it a bit it's fine, no need to get spergy.

Also since it started as a specifically Rome thread then everything to 1453 is valid anyway. :buddy:

FishFood
Apr 1, 2012

Now with brine shrimp!

Grand Fromage posted:

Also since it started as a specifically Rome thread then everything to 1453 is valid anyway. :buddy:

Don't you mean 1922? :v:

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Certainly not. :colbert:

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?
Ahem, we :catholic: are still around, and since it was the official state religion of the empire I think that brings us to TYOOL 2017.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Ras Het posted:

My lecture notes didn't look at all like that

The margin notes however look exactly how I write squiggly little notes :v:

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Ainsley McTree posted:

It recently had about a half-a-page earnest-ish discussion of why the NCR lost the battle of the hoover dam. If there's a topic that can get you run out of that thread, I haven't seen it yet but it's probably about tank destroyer doctrine

Oh, such a thing does exist believe you me.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.

Friendly Humour posted:

Sort of me point really. History A/T threads don't really get that many posts to make them unreadable, so merging them probably wouldn't hurt. I know this is more of a QCS kind of thing, but since so few read that forum to begin with I figured I'd post my suggestions here.

The milhist thread can move pretty drat quickly. Plus having several different threads means you can have different kinds of discussions going along simultaneously without worrying about them getting drowned out.

If I'd make a suggestion it'd be to make a separate WW2 or tank thread, like 50% of the posts in that thread are related to those subjects it seems like. But I think that's been tried before without much success.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

Oh, such a thing does exist believe you me.

Something something Keldoclock or our own dearly departed :agesilaus:

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

What's the lore on the tank destroyer thing? I don't read that thread as much as I read this one.

feller
Jul 5, 2006


Friendly Humour posted:

Sort of me point really. History A/T threads don't really get that many posts to make them unreadable, so merging them probably wouldn't hurt. I know this is more of a QCS kind of thing, but since so few read that forum to begin with I figured I'd post my suggestions here.

Why can't you just read more than one thread?

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Truly what these forums need are more megathreads.

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

Cyrano4747 posted:

Truly what these forums need are more megathreads.

Rename Ask/Tell to Megathread Mountain.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

P-Mack posted:

Rename Ask/Tell to Megathread Mountain.

Merge Ask/Tell with PYF.

To not take away from the thread, it'll be just like how Cisalpine Gaul became a normal part of Italy instead of a scary frontier over many generations.

LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

What are some good sources to learn about the famously fractured Byzantine politics? Something focused on a single emperor's reign would be good since I'm looking for a lot of detail.

FiftyFour
Jan 26, 2006
Tosspot
I've spent the last few days catching up on this whole thread by just reading Grand Fromage's posts, (41 pages!) so firstly thank you Grand Fromage, and secondly apologies if someone else has already covered this.

Going back to the Buddha statues, there's a great ten minute clip here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHt6BgHxa8o about the four basic types of Buddha statue.

In case you can't be bothered to watch it the 4 types are basically:

Japanese wise old man Buddha,
Chinese jolly fat bloke Buddha,
Thai/Khmer beautiful sexy Buddha and
Greek style Buddha from the areas that Alexander reached (Afghan/Pakistan)

or skip to 4 minutes in the video for the bit about Greek Buddha.

Canemacar
Mar 8, 2008

Quick question that I know has been answered before but I can't find it in the thread.

What's up with the baby clinging to Augutus' leg in that famous statue of him? Structural support? Or is there thematic significance?

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Well according to Seutonius. . .

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Cyrano4747 posted:

Well according to Seutonius. . .

That was Titus

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Canemacar posted:

Quick question that I know has been answered before but I can't find it in the thread.

What's up with the baby clinging to Augutus' leg in that famous statue of him? Structural support? Or is there thematic significance?

It's Cupid, another famous descendent of Venus. That's the point. You can think of it as symbolic structural support.


Tiberius rather. The Jewish traditions regarding Titus contain some salaciousness, but the Romans loved him.

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001
I can't count to four.
Yams Fan

FiftyFour posted:

Greek style Buddha from the areas that Alexander reached (Afghan/Pakistan)

There are some amazing Greek-style Buddahs at the Asian Art Museum in San Francisco across from City Hall. Can't find the ones I was thinking of online, but this one is cool:


Blew my mind when I really made the connection between ancient worlds that were completely separate in my mind.

Remulak fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Jan 17, 2017

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

skasion posted:

It's Cupid, another famous descendent of Venus. That's the point. You can think of it as symbolic structural support.


Tiberius rather. The Jewish traditions regarding Titus contain some salaciousness, but the Romans loved him.

Yes, Tiberius.

FiftyFour
Jan 26, 2006
Tosspot

Remulak posted:

There are some amazing Greek-style Buddahs at the Asian Art Museum in San Francisco across from City Hall. Can't find the ones I was thinking of online, but this one is cool:


Blew my mind when I really made the connection between ancient worlds that were completely separate in my mind.

Yep, that's the point for me when Art History and History became pretty much one and the same.

Khan Academy's course seems to me to be quite detailed for a free online course, I've done 3 or 4 hours a week for months and have only just got past the Renaissance.

Though with the American accents on all the videos I now keep calling it the Renner-sonce and not the Re-nay-sonce which gets me funny looks here in the UK.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy
Specifically, portraying loose and folded clothing in statuary was a Greek innovation.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy
Rebels destroy Western imperialist monument

bean_shadow
Sep 27, 2005

If men had uteruses they'd be called duderuses.
I'm rewatching HBO's Rome for the fourth time now. Man, I do love this show. The last time I watched it, I followed it with I, Claudius, which begins roughly 20 years after Rome ends.

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

bean_shadow posted:

I'm rewatching HBO's Rome for the fourth time now. Man, I do love this show. The last time I watched it, I followed it with I, Claudius, which begins roughly 20 years after Rome ends.

That's a nice combo, although it's hard to imagine a bigger contrast in the portrayal of Octavian.

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

I'm doing a bachelor's degree in Classics. Younger lecturers keep mentioning Rome.
I love it so much, too. I'd much rather have had more seasons of that than Game of Thrones.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Fuligin posted:

That's a nice combo, although it's hard to imagine a bigger contrast in the portrayal of Octavian.

I love Brian Blessed and I love his performance in I, Claudius but it was weird as hell casting him as Octavian.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
He's an interesting choice for Augustus but I have to say he works. Graves' Augustus is very jovial and avuncular with the odd freakout, which is right in Blessed's wheelhouse even if he doesn't exactly look the part of the "historical" Augustus who looked 20 when he was 70.

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BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy
He does work as a tyrant who's been so successful that he barely acts the part anymore.

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