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The hobbit movies were really bad. Kiiiiiiind of competently made but there were so many baffling directions it took
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I think 2 of the 3 LotR movies were also bad.
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Dec 20, 2017 22:13
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG-c8DtOm9g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnKbM9Zxtn8
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Dec 20, 2017 22:21
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Zzulu posted:The hobbit movies were really bad. Kiiiiiiind of competently made but there were so many baffling directions it took i was not a fan of the LotR movies but I had read The Hobbit as a kid and the first trailer I saw looked interesting enough that I thought I might enjoy going to see them in theaters. Then they announced that they were turning the planned two movies into three movies and I deduced that they were not looking for people like me, they were looking for the people who sat through all of the LotR movies and then marathoned them when the extended editions came out, so I never saw them. I feel pretty confident that I made the right call.
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Dec 20, 2017 22:26
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OK, I'm intrigued by Gringo.
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Dec 20, 2017 22:28
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That gringo trailer had me click out of boredom halfway thru. And the Chappiquidick one made me roll my eyes at another boomer nostalgia period piece.
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Dec 20, 2017 22:29
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DC Murderverse posted:i was not a fan of the LotR movies but I had read The Hobbit as a kid and the first trailer I saw looked interesting enough that I thought I might enjoy going to see them in theaters. Then they announced that they were turning the planned two movies into three movies and I deduced that they were not looking for people like me, they were looking for the people who sat through all of the LotR movies and then marathoned them when the extended editions came out, so I never saw them. I feel pretty confident that I made the right call. I am the guy that sat through every version of LotR in the theater. Then at home. Then at home again with the extended versions. And loved every second of all of it. The Hobbit was still terrible.
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Dec 20, 2017 22:49
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:I think 2 of the 3 LotR movies were also bad. I think 1/2 of the Lord of the Rings trilogy was bad. But it's scattered around throughout the films.
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Dec 20, 2017 22:51
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BonoMan posted:I am the guy that sat through every version of LotR in the theater. Then at home. Then at home again with the extended versions. And loved every second of all of it. PJ was rushed and he couldn't get anything to work the way it should within the time constraints so that's why there's so much awful CGI in them. Definitely a case of studio interference of the worst kind, I'm able to cut him some slack... I'm sure if it was done the way he wanted it'd be either one or two movies without any of the stupid pace killing extraneous poo poo. I think there's some fan edits out there that actually turn it into a pretty decent 3 or 4 hour long movie but I forgot the name of them.
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Dec 20, 2017 23:01
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feedmyleg posted:I think 1/2 of the Lord of the Rings trilogy was bad. But it's scattered around throughout the films. ^^ yeah, I can't remember the name of the edit either. There's a fan edit out there that combines all the movies into a single 3 1/2 hour movie. A lot of non-essential dialog is cut, the pacing is tightened up, and probably more than 90% of non-book material is removed. There's a transition as it moves from Movie 1 material to Movie 2 material that's a bit jarring, but it's a lot better than the originals. Still not saying much, but it's at least watchable.
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Dec 20, 2017 23:01
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Shageletic posted:And the Chappiquidick one made me roll my eyes at another boomer nostalgia period piece.
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Dec 20, 2017 23:02
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Proteus Jones posted:^^ yeah, I can't remember the name of the edit either. Actually just found it, ha, not sure if it's kosher to link it here but just look up Maple Films The Hobbit.
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Dec 20, 2017 23:05
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Proteus Jones posted:^^ yeah, I can't remember the name of the edit either. Unfortunately, the length isn't my issue, it's the tone.
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Dec 20, 2017 23:33
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Yeah once I hit the barrel escape scene in Hobbit 2 I realized there was no coming back.
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Dec 20, 2017 23:54
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The worst part of the hobbit movies is that they cut out Bilbo's protest of the battle of five armies and instead of sitting it out he's running around doing bullshit the whole time. It sucks. The cartoon from the seventies is like 70 minutes long and still kicks rear end, just watch that.
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Dec 21, 2017 00:46
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I think The Fellowship of the Ring is good (despite a few bizarre scenes), and that everything Sir Peter Jackson's put out since ranges from disappointing to outright garbage. I want him to go away.
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Dec 21, 2017 01:21
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:I think The Fellowship of the Ring is good (despite a few bizarre scenes), and that everything Sir Peter Jackson's put out since ranges from disappointing to outright garbage. It probably helps that Fellowship was the best book in the series too.
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Dec 21, 2017 01:24
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:It probably helps that Fellowship was the best book in the series too. I think Jackson did real damage to Tolkein's intent with both TTT and RotK by moving the Shelob sequence to the third movie. It irrevocably fucks up the pacing and significance of both stories and renders them nearly unwatchable. It truncates TTT into a lame, soulless big battle movie, and extends Rotk's monotony in very artificial ways. BeanpolePeckerwood fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Dec 21, 2017 |
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Dec 21, 2017 01:34
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Jeez you put Shelob in the first movie and that's far and away the best. The biggest crime for me was removing The Scouring of the Shire and this is from someone who openly mocked people upset about losing Tom Bombadil.
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Dec 21, 2017 01:53
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:I think Jackson did real damage to Tolkein's intent with both TTT and RotK by moving the Shelob sequence to the third movie. It irrevocably fucks up the pacing and significance of both stories and renders them nearly unwatchable. It truncates TTT into a lame, soulless big battle movie, and extends Rotk's monotony in very artificial ways. At the risk of starting a derail, I can understand pacing, but what changes in the significance because of the altered structure?
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Dec 21, 2017 01:56
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I like pretty much everything Jackson has done except for The Hobbit films, which he admitted were mediocre due to fast deadlines and studio interference. BeanpolePeckerwood posted:I think Jackson did real damage to Tolkein's intent with both TTT and RotK by moving the Shelob sequence to the third movie. It irrevocably fucks up the pacing and significance of both stories and renders them nearly unwatchable. It truncates TTT into a lame, soulless big battle movie, and extends Rotk's monotony in very artificial ways. This is a hilariously bad opinion from top to bottom.
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Dec 21, 2017 02:03
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GrandpaPants posted:At the risk of starting a derail, I can understand pacing, but what changes in the significance because of the altered structure? By moving Shelob it lengthens Helms Deep to a point where it's basically the main event of the entire trilogy and it destroys the 'all is lost' ending of TTT book, which in turn frontloads RotK while removing a major redemptive arc of Rotk. It also leaves no room in RotK for 'Scouring' which is sort of a big deal thematically.
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Dec 21, 2017 02:07
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viral spiral posted:This is a hilariously bad opinion from top to bottom. k
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Dec 21, 2017 02:09
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:By moving Shelob it lengthens Helms Deep to a point where it's basically the main event of the entire trilogy and it destroys the 'all is lost' ending of TTT book, which in turn frontloads RotK while removing a major redemptive arc of Rotk. It also leaves no room in RotK for 'Scouring' which is sort of a big deal thematically. I actually agree with this. The end of the TTT should have had the rug pulled out from under the Helms Deep victory and had it end with a gut punch. Frodo gets envenomed by Shelob, cue foaming mouth, collapse, fade to credits. RoTK can start with Sam chasing Shelob back into her lair, and then discovering Frodo is still very much alive with the audience.
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Dec 21, 2017 02:14
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Well let's be honest. The real crime was King Kong.
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Dec 21, 2017 02:16
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kiimo posted:Well let's be honest. The real crime was King Kong. Can't be convicted because of that V-Rex/Kong brawl.
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Dec 21, 2017 02:17
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kiimo posted:Well let's be honest. The real crime was King Kong.
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Dec 21, 2017 02:17
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Can't be convicted because of that V-Rex/Kong brawl. Some amazing scenes but man it was like a marathon. Like is Kong still ice skating?
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Dec 21, 2017 02:24
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That bug pit scene's gonna be with me til I die.
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Dec 21, 2017 02:30
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Vagabundo posted:Peter Jackson hasn't done anything worth a poo poo since 1996. Tintin. *micdrop*
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Dec 21, 2017 02:35
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I wish I could like Tintin. I really do. But Captain Haddock is maybe the most obnoxious character I've ever seen on screen and Tintin is a blank slate. It's a chore to watch them, especially since the story zips along at the sort of breathless speed that never lets you slow down and breathe and get to know the characters as anything more than plot devices. And every single thing in the script is so contrived and built on dumb luck and coincidence that it's painful to watch. Things happen because the plot requires them to, not because of character motivations or plot setup. The entire payoff of Haddock's story with Red Rackham, the fight, and the treasure was the most convenient bullshit I've ever seen in a major feature film. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Dec 21, 2017 |
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Dec 21, 2017 02:43
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:By moving Shelob it lengthens Helms Deep to a point where it's basically the main event of the entire trilogy haha what in the gently caress?
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Dec 21, 2017 03:14
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viral spiral posted:haha what in the gently caress? k
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Dec 21, 2017 03:32
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Krazyface posted:That bug pit scene's gonna be with me til I die. Andy Serkis' end in that scene is still the most disturbing death I think I've watched in a movie. That plus the eerie music and I'm right there with you.
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Dec 21, 2017 04:06
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Dec 21, 2017 09:44
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Dec 21, 2017 15:20
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kiimo posted:Well let's be honest. The real crime was King Kong. king kong rules
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Dec 22, 2017 05:32
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scary ghost dog posted:king kong rules Sure does, just not his version of it.
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Dec 22, 2017 07:35
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It's fine. Great in places but overall fine.
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scary ghost dog posted:king kong rules BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Sure does, just not his version of it. Yeah it took us a bit longer to get to "He's King around here!"
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