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Mortabis posted:None of their names are on that article. They're just on the board of the organization that the men who wrote it work for. But don't let that get in the way of your narrative. Yep, I'm sure JINSA just pulled those poor folks' names out of the phone book and put them on the board.
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Nebakenezzer posted:You know what would be a really great idea? Giving Israel B-52s and MOPs, so they can bomb Iran! - Dick Cheney, John Bolton and Joe Lieberman Dave Deptula usually isn't this much of a moron. I assume JINSA paid out the rear end to get his signature on that turd. Mortabis posted:None of their names are on that article. They're just on the board of the organization that the men who wrote it work for. But don't let that get in the way of your narrative. lol those poor guys, having their name drug through the mud I feel like saying "Dick Cheney, John Bolton, and Joe Lieberman are in support of a moronic dangerously aggressive plan to arm Israel to start a war with Iran" isn't really a controversial or outlandish position.
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That's still quite a bit different from saying they think we should send Israel B-52s with bunker busters to do dirty work for us. Yes, they're neoconservatives. Yes, they're all broadly in support of Israel and probably would be quite happy to see Israel knock out Iranian nuclear facilities. But they didn't write the article, and their relationship to it appears rather tangential.
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Mar 19, 2015 04:29
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Yeah, it's not like leadership sets the tone of the work environment and the documents written by a think tank.
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Here's my narrative: gently caress dick Cheney. I don't really require an article to support my narrative.
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mlmp08 posted:Here's my narrative: gently caress dick Cheney. I don't really require an article to support my narrative.
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Let's be honest here anyway, Israel would probably sell them to China the first moment they got without ever a second thought of the conquences because, "gently caress you! We're Israel, you'll let us do whatever we want." 
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Back Hack posted:Let's be honest here anyway, Israel would probably sell them to China the first moment they got without ever a second thought of the conquences because, "gently caress you! We're Israel, you'll let us do whatever we want." Also keep in mind that evidently we offered Israel surplus KC-135s, and their response was something to the tune of "welllll...maybe if they're the -R model with the CFM56 - otherwise no loving thank you." It's a moot point. Israel wants Iran to know quite succinctly that their method for decommissioning their nuclear sites involves detonating so many groundburst megaton-yield warheads atop/upon them that it might just dig a tunnel to the Earth's core.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Also keep in mind that evidently we offered Israel surplus KC-135s, and their response was something to the tune of "welllll...maybe if they're the -R model with the CFM56 - otherwise no loving thank you." Ok, so it's kind of an accepted unconfirmed fact that Israel is a nuclear power. What I don't think is well known (possibly because any reliable knowledge is still classified  ) is:a) What is their potential stockpile? b) What's the probably yield of the technology they do have? c) What are the probably delivery vectors for whatever warheads they have? Basically what I am wondering is, given that they have SOME weapons, how technologically advanced are they and how many could they have given that they don't seem to have an active research/production program and aren't being actively supplied by someone who does? e: Or are they actively researching and developing them, and it's just not getting any publicity because :israel: ? e:e: Let Me Wikipedia That For You...  So my ultimate point was (and remains) that Israel striking Iran's refinement facilities with nuclear weapons seems about as laughable and improbable as them doing it with Lend-Lease B-52s and MOPs. Hubis fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Mar 19, 2015 |
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Mar 19, 2015 14:50
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Didn't Mossad themselves state Iran's current nuclear activities pose very little threat, anyway?
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DrAlexanderTobacco posted:Didn't Mossad themselves state Iran's current nuclear activities pose very little threat, anyway? Hey now, that's not the sort of talk that's going to get Likud re-elected. E: Well played Google, well played... 
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Mar 19, 2015 15:11
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From the early days of the Cold War, a tale of the CIA, student groups, and sockpuppeteering.
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Russia is going to build a fleet of supersonic stealth mega transport planes capable of each carrying three of their notional uber tanks which have a 152mm gun and self defense AAA. Putin has crossed the border into cartoon megalomania.
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Those huge rear end compressor blades visible from the front are going to do wonders for its RCS.
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Is it safe to assume that anything Russia produces now will be even shittier than things the Soviets made? I'm probably just being a dumb American, but it doesnt exactly seem that the current russian economy and government can make anything high tech.
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The Soviets made a lot of good stuff; they were always trend-setters in missiles and armored vehicles. Russia was a world leader in defense electronics, missiles, mathematics and metallurgy for decades. I'm sure the 90s were rough on them, but that level of institutional knowledge doesn't vanish overnight. Don't confuse a national fondness for overhyped wünder projects that can never live up to the press and a struggle to produce retail consumer goods for the international market with a weakness of their defense industry.
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It's also worth noting that Russian designs were state of the art for the most part, it was deficiencies in manufacturing and lagging in certain areas like solid state electronics that kept them behind, and yet they still had things they completely surpassed the west with. The T-64 is a prime example. Considering the last 30 years they've had access to western equipment (like buying French thermals, etc) there's really no reason they can't produce great equipment. It's just questionable how many they can afford to make and if they can dump resources into huge technology jumps over the Soviet method of incremental improvements. Well that, and some of current sanctions are directly focused on the Russian defense sector (especially air defense), which is likely to slow them down some. EDIT: instead of posting individual links, googling about Soviet v US R+D will net you quite a few studies by organizations like RAND from the 70s and 80s. Definitely some decent reading if you're interested. Mazz fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Mar 20, 2015 |
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The Russian government just doesn't have the money to order a fleet of F-22iskies, so the aerospace companies have no motive to spend a lot of money designing a super fighter. More profit to be made selling second-tier weapons to third-world countries so that's what they're focused on.
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INTJ Mastermind posted:The Russian government just doesn't have the money to order a fleet of F-22iskies It's not that they couldn't, it's just that their defense priorities and national strategy is so radically different that they don't.
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Dead Reckoning posted:The Soviets made a lot of good stuff; they were always trend-setters in missiles and armored vehicles. Russia was a world leader in defense electronics, missiles, mathematics and metallurgy for decades. I'm sure the 90s were rough on them, but that level of institutional knowledge doesn't vanish overnight. Don't confuse a national fondness for overhyped wünder projects that can never live up to the press and a struggle to produce retail consumer goods for the international market with a weakness of their defense industry. Still can't build jet engines to save their lives though Dead Reckoning posted:It's not that they couldn't, it's just that their defense priorities and national strategy is so radically different that they don't. Which would be why they're still far and away the worldwide leader in air defense systems.
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Red Crown posted:Russia is going to build a fleet of supersonic stealth mega transport planes capable of each carrying three of their notional uber tanks which have a 152mm gun and self defense AAA. Case in point, I've found pictures of additional pieces of his yet-to-be-announced Arsenal of Kinda-Democracy:  They should match well along with the Son of Ulyanovsk mega-carrier they're supposed to be building as well. But I agree, we should just start calling Putin ~VIGO~ now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP2JPwbtq0g (for people who don't get it) BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Mar 20, 2015 |
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iyaayas01 posted:Still can't build jet engines to save their lives though Tell that to the Chinese
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INTJ Mastermind posted:The Russian government just doesn't have the money to order a fleet of F-22iskies What's that, a Polish F22? I dream of the day that people would start using an actual Russian ending, like F-22ov or F-22kin. 
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Throatwarbler posted:What's that, a Polish F22? people are loving weird about cars
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Throatwarbler posted:What's that, a Polish F22? You could probably find some F-22kin on Tumblr if you try hard enough
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Throatwarbler posted:What's that, a Polish F22? F-22upolev?
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Red Crown posted:Russia is going to build a fleet of supersonic stealth mega transport planes capable of each carrying three of their notional uber tanks which have a 152mm gun and self defense AAA. I believe in this aircraft about as much as I believe in this one:  In other news, how many AESA radars does the F-16 need? Because there's already the ANPG-80, the ANPG-83, and the RACR. But it seems development of a fourth is needed. Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Mar 20, 2015 |
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Throatwarbler posted:What's that, a Polish F22? F-22skiy is valid Russian. 
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Case in point, I've found pictures of additional pieces of his yet-to-be-announced Arsenal of Kinda-Democracy: My favorite is definitely fr-1471.
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Cat Mattress posted:I believe in this aircraft about as much as I believe in this one: Any aircraft designed by an artist or "design student" is generally hilarious. https://www.behance.net/gallery/AWWA-Sky-Whale-Concept-Plane/11891085
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Case in point, I've found pictures of additional pieces of his yet-to-be-announced Arsenal of Kinda-Democracy: I wish they were working on a Son of Ulyanovsk mega-carrier. Might get more investment into our own navy so we stop running our ships into the ground, figuratively speaking.
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Cat Mattress posted:I believe in this aircraft about as much as I believe in this one: What the hell is that thing? Is that supposed to be lighter than air by some miracle, or does it actually generate lift like a plane?
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:I wish they were working on a Son of Ulyanovsk mega-carrier. Might get more investment into our own navy so we stop running our ships into the ground, figuratively speaking. Unfortunately I think the bigger issue is the Navy has to replace basically everything at once. The Ticos, the Ohios, some of the Nimitz all hit their limits in the mid-2020s. We could throw an awful lot of money at the Navy and they'd still be in a lovely spot, not to mention half the programs they set up are pretty terrible. cough*LCS*cough
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"We will build 80 not-yet developed stealth transport planes with global reach and hypersonic speed by 2024." Ayup.
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Cross-posting from D&D. Squadron of American F-16s arrived in Estonia for some excersises: http://www.postimees.ee/3129935/fotod-amaris-maandus-usa-havitajate-eskadrill/3890765 14 jet fighters + 300 air force personnel.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Any aircraft designed by an artist or "design student" is generally hilarious. Quite accurate that video. 14,000 feet at 200 kts is about what that thing can do.
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ArchangeI posted:"We will build 80 not-yet developed stealth transport planes with global reach and hypersonic speed by 2024." Also with yet to be developed Tanks and escorted with yet to be functional Pak Fa, all for the defense of Mother...India, because Russia can't afford any of this because they haven't developed a stable economy yet.
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PittTheElder posted:What the hell is that thing? Is that supposed to be lighter than air by some miracle, or does it actually generate lift like a plane? And where do these guys find artists to illustrate their ideas? I could be appalling so many engineers and practical people with my crazy ideas if I could get an illustrator.  e for content: the Turks are thinking of developing their own indigenous fighter jet. WE SUPPORT ARE TROOPS: Conservative government spends $65,000 (so far) to deny a soldier the $88,000 he lost while moving. Oh, and that vet with the missing legs who has to prove to the government every year that he has not gotten his legs back? We'll compromise; now you only have to do this every three years. 
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Case in point, I've found pictures of additional pieces of his yet-to-be-announced Arsenal of Kinda-Democracy: I want the next Ace Combat game to feature these...all of these. Or an RTS game based on 80s cartoon franchises.
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