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I'm sorry for turning this into Stargate command, but I am genuinely hopeful other goons have a good time with that show. The season one-two parter finale is amazing, and you get the time loop episode too. It isn't like Babylon Five wanted to be, but I don't think anyone will be disappointed if they want good goofy science fiction. Also, the show has Don Davis! Who doesn't love Don Davis?
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My favorite thing re: Stargate, both SG-1 and Atlantis, is that it's not afraid to take a moment or an episode to be a workplace comedy.
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May 17, 2024 16:29
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Rappaport posted:I'm sure my opinion doesn't count for much, but Teal'c and Jack interacting is mostly comedy gold. Also you get an episode with a very spoopy thriller about Teal'c. Indeed. Phenotype posted:It's also... dated. The first or second episode has Jack Stargate talking about the mission, and he's like "I'm not gonna be in charge?? What man could possibly do a better job??" and of course lol it's a woman! tried to watch it about five years back and it just never grabbed me, too much old 90s jank imo. Sam and Jack become a lot less... that. Initially it is pretty grating, though. Wow. Sam is a woman?!? Golly! Neddy Seagoon posted:That's exclusively in the pilot, and even Amanda Tapping in a behind-the-scenes interview said it was a lovely way to write a character that they fixed immediately afterwards. Yes, this.
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May 17, 2024 16:55
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Brawnfire posted:My favorite thing re: Stargate, both SG-1 and Atlantis, is that it's not afraid to take a moment or an episode to be a workplace comedy. Especially tealc and ronan trying to out stoic each other
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May 17, 2024 17:13
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Winifred Madgers posted:I had always for some reason thought of Stargate as like a Hercules/Xena-tier show, but I was very pleasantly surprised when I did watch it, it's legit. Hercules and Xena were awesome though, if pulpy. Just ignore Kevin Sorbo's politics. There is a line of late 90s/early 2000s action adventure sprinkled into Orville and that's ok, I love that feeling.
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May 17, 2024 17:18
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Christopher Judge as Teal'c is hands-down one of the funniest characters in 2000's-era television.
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May 17, 2024 17:32
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Christopher Judge as Teal'c is hands-down one of the funniest characters in 2000's-era television. Indeed.
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May 17, 2024 17:33
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Adding a +1 to watch Stargate. Start with the movie even. It's good and the show picks right up from there with surprisingly few changes.
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May 17, 2024 18:11
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I could never get past it going from Kurt Russell and James Spader to some rando US TV dweebs so never bothered. My mom really liked it though.
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May 17, 2024 19:09
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I saw the show first and the movie always feels so wrong lol.
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May 17, 2024 19:11
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Khanstant posted:I saw the show first and the movie always feels so wrong lol. Same. I was surprised how much of the movie is in the show when I finally watched it though. Sentinel Red posted:I could never get past it going from Kurt Russell and James Spader to some rando US TV dweebs so never bothered. My mom really liked it though. Richard Dean Anderson's take is much more enjoyable to watch than Russell (it was fine for a two hour movie but having a sense of humor works better in a multi-season show) and Shanks is doing a pretty fun Spader impression early on.
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May 17, 2024 19:16
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For SG-1 chat, I'll just leave this right here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlCVW_ouL8&t=6s
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May 17, 2024 19:19
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It's not even the same characters! Kurt was Jack O'Neil, RDA was Jack O'Neill. Two L's.
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May 17, 2024 20:16
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The events of the movie happen in the SG-1 universe almost exactly as shown, but the movie itself likely take place in one of the alternate universes you can go to with that mirror thing to account for the different faces.
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I haven't seen the movie in a long time (since it originally released, even) but I remember Daniel Jackson as portrayed by James Spader being the likable protagonist and Jack O'Neil as portrayed by Kurt Russel being a jacked up meathead rear end in a top hat and basically an antagonist. But I'm the series Jack O'Neill (TWO Ls!) as portrayed by Richard Dean Anderson is very much a likable plucky protagonist and his ribbing of Daniel Jackson doesn't feel like bullying anymore, but brotherly. And Daniel Jackson remains likable as well. And how can you not like Richard Dean Anderson.
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May 17, 2024 20:26
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Grand Fromage posted:Same. I was surprised how much of the movie is in the show when I finally watched it though. Yeah it's probably one of those most smooth and consistent movie-to-show shifts, despite basically everyone being swapped out. I cant think of a smoother one. There's stuff like Buffy where the show is so much better I try not to even remember there was a movie, not a smooth transition of applicable at all?
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I haven't seen the movie in a long time (since it originally released, even) but I remember Daniel Jackson as portrayed by James Spader being the likable protagonist and Jack O'Neil as portrayed by Kurt Russel being a jacked up meathead rear end in a top hat and basically an antagonist. But I'm the series Jack O'Neill (TWO Ls!) as portrayed by Richard Dean Anderson is very much a likable plucky protagonist and his ribbing of Daniel Jackson doesn't feel like bullying anymore, but brotherly. And Daniel Jackson remains likable as well. Even then it all works together (in a shorthand Hollywood sort of way.) Jack in the movie wanted to kill himself destroying the gate due to how depressed he was about his son's accidental death (from his own pistol). The events in the movie pulled him out of his depression, but it's still a defining part of his backstory that gets referenced. They just changed his son's name from Taylor to Charlie. The biggest change from the movie is Ra is depicted as being an energy like being that possesses a body rather than the worm like parasites they are in the series. It is cool that both Skaara and Kasuf actors got to reprise their roles. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 20:39 on May 17, 2024 |
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May 17, 2024 20:32
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bull3964 posted:They just changed his son's name from Taylor to Charlie. This is the proof it's a different universe, like the fish in the pond.
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May 17, 2024 20:34
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I haven't seen the movie in a long time (since it originally released, even) but I remember Daniel Jackson as portrayed by James Spader being the likable protagonist and Jack O'Neil as portrayed by Kurt Russel being a jacked up meathead rear end in a top hat and basically an antagonist. But I'm the series Jack O'Neill (TWO Ls!) as portrayed by Richard Dean Anderson is very much a likable plucky protagonist and his ribbing of Daniel Jackson doesn't feel like bullying anymore, but brotherly. And Daniel Jackson remains likable as well. I liked the scene that played with the spelling change. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUhU3qCf0Nk
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May 17, 2024 20:50
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The shows are fun, but they don't have French Stewart bullying James Spader.
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Incoming message from your big, giant head! *slaps Daniel Jackson's forehead* You're a fuckin' dipshit!
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May 17, 2024 23:25
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The main reason Stargate was so good is because O'Neill MacGyvered it. Complete success.
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Inkspot posted:The shows are fun, but they don't have French Stewart bullying James Spader. I totally forgot he was in that movie. It's like Jared Keeso, when he doesn't squint and stand all weird he's a whole different person.
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The first few seasons of SG1 are best compared to 60s Star Trek. Depending on which bits you focus on it can be portrayed as a serious military themed drama, or a cartoonish comedy romp through space.
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May 18, 2024 01:56
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how could you forget sex symbol james spader from the hit erotic thriller dream lover
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mllaneza posted:For SG-1 chat, I'll just leave this right here. I only ask 'cause I love a bunch of other sci-fi shows from the era and most of what people are saying about it sounds pretty good. But I also gather it's about contemporary soldiers and the military and based on that clip, it seems to think they're cool.
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It's not a show that smugly talks about how cool guns are, no. The Stargate program is run by the Air Force so the Earth characters are largely military, but it's a sci-fi show about fighting aliens and stuff. The military hierarchy above our heroes and the US government are antagonists more than a few times. Which, again, isn't what the show is about but occasionally there is some bullshit on Earth to deal with. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 05:02 on May 18, 2024 |
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I forgot to link earlier, the SG-1 thread proper is pretty active lately. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4036654
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Eiba posted:As someone who doesn't like military stuff this seems... bad? I'm not going to like a show that smugly talks about how cool guns are. Am I not going to like SG-1? They've been dealing with aliens telling them how primitive earth technology is for a long time at this point even though promoting earth technology always seems to save their butts. O'Neill 's point is more that his guns are not cool. An energy staff is cool. His weapon is a tool for killing. The episode it's from is about his disapproval of a leader using his strong personality to get people to go on suicide missions for him.
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the whole "lol staffs are actually janky garbage" thing definitely feels like a retcon though, like a staff bolt easily one-shots any goauld henchman any time, meanwhile there were multiple fights in the early seasons where they might have to shoot a whole magazine of bullets at one just to take him down like you'd think the pro move would be grabbing a few of the staffs* and re-tooling them to be more ergonomic not to mention "oh our earth guns are so superior" *runs around with the goof-rear end zat guns half the time* *not calling them staves, deal with it
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what i thought was funny when i sat down and watched the show a few years ago was how folks will carry on endlessly about "oh all the planets look like british columbia" but never mention how many scenes are set in the drat infirmary
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Yeah, the staff presumably shoots perfectly straight. Figure out how to shoulder mount it and give it a sight if the accuracy of a gun is such a game changer
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Grand Fromage posted:It's not a show that smugly talks about how cool guns are, no. There's that episode where The Bad General is clearly an antagonist, and he forces Sam to make a doomsday device, but as the show portrays them, you're meant to take General Hammond as a good guy, and even loving Mayborne is a lovable scamp. He even helps Jack with the rear end in a top hat senator.
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It's an unpopular opinion but I watched all of SG1 really recently and O'Neill grated on me. Constantly going (the equivalent of) SLOW DOWN POINDEXTER and being overly flippant in episodes that were meant to be serious.
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Senor Tron posted:The first few seasons of SG1 are best compared to 60s Star Trek. Depending on which bits you focus on it can be portrayed as a serious military themed drama, or a cartoonish comedy romp through space. Season 1 is pretty transparently "Star Trek Away Mission of The Week" in its format, it's season 2 onwards you get the more long-form story arcs interweaving the plots. T.C. posted:Yeah, the staff presumably shoots perfectly straight. Figure out how to shoulder mount it and give it a sight if the accuracy of a gun is such a game changer Id' say the "reason" is it probably has some recoil and it's heavy (you need to hit people with it as well, remember). So you have to balance the drat thing, account for the kick of it on your shoulder, and resight after each shot. If you want an actual retcon, the three-shot monty rule of the Zat guns (Stun->Kill->Vaporize) gets dropped completely after a few seasons, mainly because "How long is too long between shots?" was a nuisance question iirc.
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Regarding "guns are cool", they don't come back to it much in the show, but our first introduction to O'Neil in the movie is learning how broken he is in the wake of his kid having accidentally killed himself with one of his guns.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Season 1 is pretty transparently "Star Trek Away Mission of The Week" in its format, it's season 2 onwards you get the more long-form story arcs interweaving the plots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGFz3X8PqKM Because the actors hated them.
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Taear posted:It's an unpopular opinion but I watched all of SG1 really recently and O'Neill grated on me. Constantly going (the equivalent of) SLOW DOWN POINDEXTER and being overly flippant in episodes that were meant to be serious. Is this like when people get mad at people in Joss Whedon media when they talk like a human being? Jokes are fine, and I'm hardly alone in this. All kidding aside, there are dozens of us! Dozens.
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Is this like when people get mad at people in Joss Whedon media when they talk like a human being? I was watching the original Suicide Squad film the other day (the 1935 talkie about firemen) and it was quippy as gently caress, those jokesters never stopped cracking wise Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 21:03 on May 23, 2024 |
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Is this like when people get mad at people in Joss Whedon media when they talk like a human being? Jokes are fine. It's more when something serious is happening and he does something that not just breaks the tension but breaks the suspension of disbelief. A good example is when they find the place where Apophis has a load of people training to infiltrate the SGC and he does a little speech that's just a weird joke - it makes what was sort of a tense episode lose the realism it had.
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