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Gene Hackman Fan posted:"In Germany in the 1930s, the Social Democratic Party (a left-wing liberal party) promoted Hindenburg over Hitler in the elections because he was seen as a “lesser evil”, despite the warnings by the German Communist Party that “a vote for Hindenburg is a vote for Hitler”. Hindenburg ended up placing Hitler in a position of power, but the Social Democrats supported him as a “lesser evil” to illegal Nazi terror. Thus, the Social Democrats systematically disarmed and disempowered the working class and collaborated with fascism against them. historical nitpick but damnit I'm going to put my B.A. to use. the SPD while being fascist allied shitheads after ww1, were not entirely to blame for the failure to unify against hitler. stalin imo deserves most of the blame as he refused to allow the KPD to work with the SPD because he didn't trust them after the failure of the German civil war and the aborted uprising in the later '20s. after hitler seized power due to a divided left stalin realized his mistake which is why the French communists joined the popular front against action française three years later
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Raskolnikov38 posted:historical nitpick but damnit I'm going to put my B.A. to use. the SPD while being fascist allied shitheads after ww1, were not entirely to blame for the failure to unify against hitler. stalin imo deserves most of the blame as he refused to allow the KPD to work with the SPD because he didn't trust them after the failure of the German civil war and the aborted uprising in the later '20s. after hitler seized power due to a divided left stalin realized his mistake which is why the French communists joined the popular front against action française three years later https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuwHqxvIHzs
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https://twitter.com/MikeyAmman/status/893291070913736706 I love it when folks dig up a gem
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marcus is legitimately racist as gently caress lol. i remember joe mentioning once that he got into some real ~race realism~ poo poo in regards to arabs and muslims on his podcast
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sorry i've been out of town and am catching up on poo poo, did this get a good laugh at in the thread because lol https://twitter.com/joeprince___/status/892986784405229568
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Condiv posted:florida dems fundraising for a republican who voted for obamacare repeal instead of the dem running against him JFC I thought that was a joke till I scrolled back up and read the article. You know what...good. I hope dems lose every elected seat in Florida from governor all the way down to dog catcher, they deserve it.
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The Nastier Nate posted:JFC I thought that was a joke till I scrolled back up and read the article. i thought this was already the mission goal of the florida democrats
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i thought this was already the mission goal of the florida democrats Except for DWS. no matter how bad dems gently caress up they'll never get rid Of her.
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The Nastier Nate posted:Except for DWS. no matter how bad dems gently caress up they'll never get rid the payday loan industry needs a friend in washington just like everyone else
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The Nastier Nate posted:Except for DWS. no matter how bad dems gently caress up they'll never get rid would you say that she persists?
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comedyblissoption posted:democrats have already proven that the words "tuition-free" might not actually mean free tuition and has a giant asterisk attached to it You know, I was wondering about something. I read a while back that presidential candidates statistically keep most of the promises they make (this was frequently mentioned when the topic of Hillary fulfilling her platform came up), but I wonder if that statistic includes situations where they keep the promise for some definition of that promise. Like, if a Democratic politician campaigned on free college and then passed some bill that created some means-tested program giving free tuition to a minority of students, would that count as "fulfilling the promise" as far as that statistic is concerned?
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Ytlaya posted:You know, I was wondering about something. I read a while back that presidential candidates statistically keep most of the promises they make (this was frequently mentioned when the topic of Hillary fulfilling her platform came up), but I wonder if that statistic includes situations where they keep the promise for some definition of that promise. Like, if a Democratic politician campaigned on free college and then passed some bill that created some means-tested program giving free tuition to a minority of students, would that count as "fulfilling the promise" as far as that statistic is concerned? depends who's recording the stats and what they want the numbers to say
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Democrats use Frank Luntz for a reason.
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Rand alPaul posted:I had to go to get a prescription refill. I spent $75 which isn't too bad. He told me to get my blood work all done once I get health insurance and I was like "Will do!" knowing I'll never get it. Denver does these Health Fairs periodically that you can get blood work done for dirt cheap. See if your municipal....GODDAMN IT WHY DO WE HAVE TO GET HEALTH CARE TIPS FROM THIS DEAD GAY WEBSITE?!?' 😡😡😡😡
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Oh Snapple! posted:https://twitter.com/MikeyAmman/status/893291070913736706 like i said before, marcus h johnson has been trying very hard to land a spot at one of these big media outlets for a while now. he rebranded himself as a #resistance fighter when he realized how many followers he was getting by talking poo poo about bernie bros. he wants that lanyard $$$ and lifestyle. despite all the lip service he still remains a freelancer. i think it's wonderful and poetic how all those places keep hiring white women and men who come from upper middle class/rich backgrounds and went to elite schools. it's great watching that liberal racism cucking him eternally
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Feldegast42 posted:So just "okay", not "great" or "transcendent" huh That would be Stalin and Pol Pot, respectively.
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Are u going to gently caress shane
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There can only be one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkJC6YniD4Q
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Ytlaya posted:You know, I was wondering about something. I read a while back that presidential candidates statistically keep most of the promises they make (this was frequently mentioned when the topic of Hillary fulfilling her platform came up), but I wonder if that statistic includes situations where they keep the promise for some definition of that promise. Like, if a Democratic politician campaigned on free college and then passed some bill that created some means-tested program giving free tuition to a minority of students, would that count as "fulfilling the promise" as far as that statistic is concerned? Was it this article? https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trust-us-politicians-keep-most-of-their-promises/
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In discussions about free college tuition, has it ever come up that TUITION, in and of itself, isn't going to make college "affordable" for everyone, considering all the other costs involved with ... physical attendance to a school? I mean, I know that's not a reason to not do it, I'm asking what kind of response is there to that, and/or if plans to implement free college tuition include provisions to cover college expenses beyond just tuition.
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gradenko_2000 posted:In discussions about free college tuition, has it ever come up that TUITION, in and of itself, isn't going to make college "affordable" for everyone, considering all the other costs involved with ... physical attendance to a school? when i went to college, the tuition was dirt cheap but books and the various fees you had to pay were the real expense. especially since they required you to live on campus for your first year. it was like $3000/semester for housing with a $200/semester parking permit. tech fees, transportation fees, facilities fees, the gym fees (all mandatory) were expensive as hell
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I've posted before about how I think the left needs to focus right now more on organizing and less on finding the perfect candidate. Here's a twitter thread on point This is excellent, and especially awesome in light of the immediate after-election hysteria where everybody who suggested that socialist praxis is the best way to counter Conservative cultural influence was tarred and feathered by principled Dems whose stance was (and still is) that the excluded communities with Conservative hegemonies needed to EARN the right to be engaged by the left in any sort of interaction. However, the federal component of a socialist movement - aka "focus on candidates" must be present to prevent this sort of small scale effort from being exceedingly fragile, and to normalize it on greater scale than individual volunteering could manage. Also to give all the local leftist value leaders an umbrella organization that can keep their legacy going, so that it doesn't die when they retire / have to move etc. steinrokkan has issued a correction as of 13:23 on Aug 4, 2017 |
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GalacticAcid posted:don blankenship should be murdered in the street him being alive is an indictment of west virginia
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Oh Snapple! posted:https://twitter.com/MikeyAmman/status/893291070913736706  Great images though lol
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I've posted before about how I think the left needs to focus right now more on organizing and less on finding the perfect candidate. Here's a twitter thread on point
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Concerned Citizen posted:Medicare to 55 also lowers premiums for young people by removing the sickest group from the insurance pools. It's extremely good. you know what else would lower premiums for young people? taking everyone off the insurance pools and giving them medicare from an overall health policy perspective, if you can afford to put all the expensive sick people on Medicare then you can certainly afford to put all the cheap young healthy people on it. the only reason to leave young people in the private markets is if you're absolutely committed to a market-based solution and your main objective is just to trim out all the unworkable market segments so the private companies can offer affordable prices and still make a healthy profit
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Main Paineframe posted:you know what else would lower premiums for young people? taking everyone off the insurance pools and giving them medicare 
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Good thing it's hockey offseason. Cause you could fit every DSA member in existence into the United Center.
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Medicare at 55 is not bad in isolation, but there are some big issues. First, as mentioned yesterday, it takes people off of the books of health insurance companies right about the time that chronic, expensive conditions are starting to become more common. So it is a gift to the insurance industry, allowing them to instead only have to insure younger people. At the same time, it is putting the most expensive pools on the government dime without offsetting that by also including the less costly pools of younger people. Second, it is a transparent attempt to gain the votes of 55-64 year olds because they are more likely to vote while ignoring the needs of younger people because they are less likely. If you recognize the need to expand medicare there's no excuse not to just go ahead and expand it to everyone.
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@KFILE is on the case https://twitter.com/kfile/status/893473478359343105
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:@KFILE is on the case emptyquote if you know why
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