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bewbies posted:I'm actually one of the minority of people who think that most of the US military is overpaid, if anything. In example, say you enlisted at 18, now you're a 22 year old E-4 with a wife and kid and you're deploying to Afghanistan. You'll be making right around $50k tax-free, along with free health insurance and other benefits, which I suspect is several times more than the average uneducated 22 year old American is making. A 25 year old captain will be making close to $100k tax-free, which is also a whole lot more than the average 25 year old with a bachelor's degree is making in America right now. Obviously getting deployed to Afghanistan sucks a lot, but you're at the least very well paid for your time there. There's something I wanted to ask about. Considering the increased technical sophistication of warfare is it now more important than before to retain personnel in the military? Also, if warfare becomes restricted to a smaller elite that expect long term employment wouldn't that very likely translate into creating a warrior caste, note that I'm not implying it's a guaranteed result, but rather just a likely outcome. Making sure your veterans are well paid and go home telling their children how you made them rich has been a considered a way to maintain a high quality armed force since forever so it makes sense that we should do this. The pay you quoted isn't really outlandish to me, but then I'm a bit of a socialist and I believe that wealth disparity is a growing concern so offsetting that while improving the prospects of military recruitment seems like a win-win to me. By bureaucratic nonsense do you mean like "The big pile of papers on my desk indicate region A is 90% pacified, time to move to region B which is only 75% pacified" with no concern for what that actually means beyond a statistic or do you mean just wrapped up in political concerns that totally hamstring operations because no one has any idea what their mission actually is? Or am I completely reading this wrong? Which is probably the case.
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Squalid posted:I was reading an economic paper looking for support for Weber's Protestant work ethic which employed demographic estimates of German cities from 1300-1850 by Paul Bairoch, maybe his 1988 cities and economic development or la population des villes europeenes 800-1850: banque de donnes et analyse sommaire des resultats might be useful? I haven't read them I just copied them from the references list. I get a sense the papers extrapolate estimates where census information is lacking, but it might at least be worth a look.
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yo vincent van goatse, here's the latest from someone you hate https://twitter.com/karpmj/status/883340860582240259/photo/1
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StandardVC10 posted:To add to this, Ki-61-II airframe production quickly outstripped Ha-140 engine production, leading the IJA to consider alternative powerplant installations. Which turned out to be a good idea when the Ha-140 factory got bombed. The result was the Ki-100, which was said to work pretty well given the circumstances. And thats all from the first major company's first major engine. The book is seriously awesome. Can't wait to see how they cover other engines, especially the jets!
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HEY GAIL posted:yo vincent van goatse, here's the latest from someone you hate What did I ever do to you to deserve this?
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I'm picturing a battle line of musketeers and every now and then one of them explodes in a billowing cloud of black smoke and scraps of poofy sleeve as his buddies gingerly continue loading
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For those of you who are interested in tanks, a site I follow just did a pretty good interview with Ken Estes.
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i know this question gets asked every once in a while but what are some of your favorite anti-war films?
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Paths of Glory Come and See Das Boot Waltz with Bashir Dr Strangelove Ivan's Childhood come to mind
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May I recommend Pauly Shore's seminal classic In the Army Now? It really is the quintessential antiwar movie
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Disinterested posted:Paths of Glory If Das Boot is in, so are Full Metal Jacket and Apocalypse Now. Grand Prize Winner posted:May I recommend Pauly Shore's seminal classic In the Army Now? It really is the quintessential antiwar movie No, that's a pro-Kill All Humans movie.
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mllaneza posted:If Das Boot is in, so are Full Metal Jacket and Apocalypse Now. Same for When Trumpets Fade
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mllaneza posted:If Das Boot is in, so are Full Metal Jacket and Apocalypse Now. 'Nam is a little played in anti-war movies so I just left it out
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Disinterested posted:Come and See Only watch this on a bright, sunny day, and have friends to talk to afterwards. You have been warned.
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Don't listen to my dad. Have a back to back viewing with Threads.
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If you're going to watch Come and See, I'd suggest a double-feature with Die Brucke. Cross of Iron is also good, though more actiony.
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What are the best pro-"war, gently caress yeah" films then?
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Jul 8, 2017 08:14
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Almost all the others. 
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Nenonen posted:What are the best pro-"war, gently caress yeah" films then? Star Wars?
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Pontius Pilate posted:Don't listen to my dad. Have a back to back viewing with Threads. Do a triple-play with The Plague Dogs.
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Nenonen posted:What are the best pro-"war, gently caress yeah" films then? Blackhawk Down and Top Gun, maybe? Green Berets is pro-war too but I can't remember if it was good because I was all hosed up on wine when I saw it.
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Kemper Boyd posted:Blackhawk Down and Top Gun, maybe? I think we're all forgetting the pinnacle of teenaged male masturbation: 300. It's not homoerotic because there's blood - honest!
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A lot of the war movies made in, oh, 2002 are pretty pro war.
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One of the bits of trivia about Come and See that sticks with me and leaves a little nugget of horror, is that during filming they didn't use blanks for a lot of scenes. They used live ammo. In scenes with child actors.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg_government-in-exile#Free_Luxembourgish_forcesquote:In March 1944, the first all-Luxembourgish unit was created in England. The unit, a gun battery, operated four 25 pounder guns, which they christened Elisabeth, Marie Adelaide, Marie Gabriele and Alix after the Grand duchess' daughters. The unit formed part of C Troop, 1st Belgian Field Artillery Battery of the 1st Belgian Infantry Brigade, which was nicknamed the "Brigade Piron" after its commander Jean-Baptiste Piron. The battery numbered some 80 men. The battery landed in Normandy with rest of the Brigade Piron on 6 August 1944 and served in the Battle of Normandy and was involved in the Liberation of Brussels in September 1944. 
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Kemper Boyd posted:Blackhawk Down and Top Gun, maybe? Top Gun maybe, Blackhawk down I don't feel was particularly pro-war In general I don't think too many movies made by/for Americans have a big pro-war slant if they are relating to actual wars... fictional militarism is great though. Maybe your best bet is some WWII films, but then again you are fighting Nazi's so its pretty easy to make a pro-fighting nazi's movie. Now that I think about it Casablanca while being mainly romance/thriller over an action movie is also definitely a pro-war movie and a classic. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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It's the Hacksaw Ridge problem: your entire narrative might be built to make war look bad but if you invest cinematically in making the film entertaining to watch, audiences can take it very much the opposite way. A lot of people don't take an anti war message from Full Metal Jacket.
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BHD was probably supposed to not be pro-war but since Ridley Scott is bad, people mostly remember it for pornographic scenes of automatic gunfire mowing down Africans.
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Here's an article on how WW2 looked in Yugoslavia from the point of view of British Intelligence: http://www.znaci.net/00001/293.htm Due to the poor condition of the infrastructure in the Balkans, the Germans were forced to rely a great deal on radio communication. Because of this, the British managed to obtain a gargantuan amount of information about things the could be as trivial as restaurant reservations, prompting an agent to say: "Never in the field of Signals Intelligence has so much been decrypted about so little." e: I should probably add a note here, namely that had the British aid to Yugoslav resistance been a rubber chicken, the British would have claimed that the rubber chicken in question was crucial to determining the course of the war in Yugoslavia. my dad fucked around with this message at 09:56 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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C.M. Kruger posted:If you're going to watch Come and See, I'd suggest a double-feature with Die Brucke. Seconding Die Brucke, the 1955 version.
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My favourite anti-war film is Black and White in Colour, which is what Blackadder Goes Forth would have been if he were French and in Africa. Currently available with English subtitles on a popular video-sharing website.
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Kemper Boyd posted:BHD was probably supposed to not be pro-war but since Ridley Scott is bad, people mostly remember it for pornographic scenes of automatic gunfire mowing down Africans. My Somalian class mate really loved it.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:I think we're all forgetting the pinnacle of teenaged male masturbation: 300. It's not homoerotic because there's blood - honest! i was young and dumb tho
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Kemper Boyd posted:BHD was probably supposed to not be pro-war but since Ridley Scott is bad, people mostly remember it for pornographic scenes of automatic gunfire mowing down Africans.
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HEY GAIL posted:god i loved that film I wonder: how would it have been received if it included all the nudity from the comic?
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Kopijeger posted:I wonder: how would it have been received if it included all the nudity from the comic? In the butt, probably.
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No war film is complete without some balls swinging majestically in extreme slow motion
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Nenonen posted:My Somalian class mate really loved it. I like Black Hawk Down too, but compared to the book it is based on, the film is extremely whitewashed. There's a great deal of evidence the Americans killed hundreds of civilians throughout the mission, and all of that is simply left out. For example, the Mark Bowden interviewed one witness to the first helicopter crash and in his description, the surviving crew member accidentily shoots an unlucky civilian dead almost immediately. That of course never makes it into the movie where the character instead facing nothing but armed militia. "Black Hawk Down posted:The body of the aircraft started to spin, so close to Aden that he could see the pilot inside struggling at the controls. The pilot could not hold it, and the helicopter started to flip. It was tilted slightly toward Aden when it hit the roof of his house with a loud, crunching sound, and then slammed on its side into the alley with a great, scraping crash in a thick cloud of dust and rock and smoke.  quote:This drawing of a helicopter was found on the wall of the house that was part of the first American Blackhawk helicopter crash in Mogadishu on Oct. 3, 1993. The Somali word on the side of the helicopter, although spelled incorrectly, says "Cobra," which was the type of helicopter used to attack the village.
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GotLag posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg_government-in-exile#Free_Luxembourgish_forces I always love how the UK armed forced during WWII had so many units or individual soldiers from occupied nations.
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