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Trabant posted:Maybe I should've phrased it differently: I can't imagine there are enough people who are willing to buy a TV with the corners are so significantly rounded to make it a mass-market product. https://www.amazon.com/HANNspree-28in-LCD-Basketball-TV/dp/B004Z1YL14
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Horace posted:here's an 819 line signal generated by a computer: delicious
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Some of y'all are being deliberately obtuse:  Having a housing with curved corners is one thing. Having the actual display with curved corners (and expecting to sell it) is another:
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Trabant posted:Having a housing with curved corners is one thing. Having the actual display with curved corners (and expecting to sell it) is another: If you want to go beyond curved all the way to spherical, there's always the Gakken Worldeye. Techmoan shows one of those off here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcG9O6S6cOU
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Trabant posted:Some of y'all are being deliberately obtuse: Yeah, the manufacture process would be insanely complex/almost completely bespoke, and that's not sarcasm. I don't think I've ever actually seen a screen with a curved edge like that in real life, certainly not at that scale; I'm sure billboards and whatnot have a little more flexibility with form given their nature, but nothing consumer sized. I guess you could just blank out sectors to create a curved pattern around the edge, but then you still have to deal with hiding the rectangular form. Maybe the edge could be rolled over so the circuitry is still functional?
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ryonguy posted:Yeah, the manufacture process would be insanely complex/almost completely bespoke, and that's not sarcasm. I don't think I've ever actually seen a screen with a curved edge like that in real life, certainly not at that scale; I'm sure billboards and whatnot have a little more flexibility with form given their nature, but nothing consumer sized. I guess you could just blank out sectors to create a curved pattern around the edge, but then you still have to deal with hiding the rectangular form. Maybe the edge could be rolled over so the circuitry is still functional? Smart watch screens, lcd screens used in car instrument clusters, etc... It exists but to use one to display a cropped version of content would be stupid. The rounded edges on old tube tvs was a compromise because of the tech available at the time. GutBomb has a new favorite as of 19:23 on Dec 3, 2017 |
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You could probably make an OLED TV like that pretty trivially. That is if you were Samsung and there was a use case for a screen like this other than a cool retro gimmick that would sell a handful units.
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GutBomb posted:Smart watch screens, lcd screens used in car instrument clusters, etc... The LCD screen in your car is rectangular, the opening in the bezel just has rounded corners and the software your system runs accommodates that.
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pienipple posted:The LCD screen in your car is rectangular, the opening in the bezel just has rounded corners and the software your system runs accommodates that. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F362138191414 You can see from the back of the unit that the top of the screen is angled and there wouldn't be room to accommodate a rectangular screen. It's not just a bezel.
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GutBomb posted:https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F362138191414 I was just about to post the same thing. This one shows the actual screen. 
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For the Nest thermostats, there has been an evolution as well. The first gen, it was a square screen that had a round image masked off by the bezel. The 2nd gen was a square screen PCB, but they literally only manufactured the pixels in the round space that would be shown. In the 3rd gen, it's an actual round screen.
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GutBomb posted:
I don't think you understand, it's about the $$$ Aesthetic $$$ Start making and selling them and the consumer base will write it's own marketing material for you e.g. "The gentle contours add a sublime warmth that cannot even be simulated through the harshness of a regular display" "Only people capable of truly thinking outside the square will appreciate the full benefits of this product"  Not gonna lie I do actually think a properly styled retro rounded-corner flat display would look rad as hell. They'd also be out of my price range but they could definitely carve a niche in the conspicuous consumption electronics market.
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You could even keep the screen case all bulbous and hide a minibar in the back.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:You could even keep the screen case all bulbous and hide a minibar in the back. Kind of exists.   Bit pricey though, for a 20 inch TV.
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drat, if that was anywhere near reasonable (780p? $1700? 20"?) I'd snap one up.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:drat, if that was anywhere near reasonable (780p? $1700? 20"?) I'd snap one up. if the knobs and poo poo are just for show, it doesn't look that hard to make yourself, if you really wanted one
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ladron posted:if the knobs and poo poo are just for show, it doesn't look that hard to make yourself, if you really wanted one e: goddammit where did my post go. Anyway I just typed a few paragraphs about approximate size and stuff. I think the hardest part would be finding an old TV and taking its faceplates.
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This particular discussion got me thinking about how long it'll be before actual CRTs get their own RetroStalgic Comeback™ which sees new TVs being regularly manufactured to cater to the retro hipster demographic. Which in turn reminded me that SED screen technology is a thing that technically exists and definitely seems worthy of this thread, given how it seems to have completely disappeared after Canon shut down their SED division in 2010. Beyond the sheer cool factor of the idea of a screen that is literally made up of millions of nano-CRTs, son! I'm really curious how these would actually compare to LED screens, since I never saw one in-person and likely never will.
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Doctor Bishop posted:This particular discussion got me thinking about how long it'll be before actual CRTs get their own RetroStalgic Comeback™ which sees new TVs being regularly manufactured to cater to the retro hipster demographic. Which in turn reminded me that SED screen technology is a thing that technically exists and definitely seems worthy of this thread, given how it seems to have completely disappeared after Canon shut down their SED division in 2010. That’s awesome for real, but OLED is basically the same list of advantages.
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There is absolutely nothing I miss about CRTs, other than being able to push a button and hear it go "bwong".
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rndmnmbr posted:There is absolutely nothing I miss about CRTs, other than being able to push a button and hear it go "bwong". I miss old TVs where the static was actually static. IT was sometimes distracting/hypnotizing to just sit there watching it as your mind generated random shapes, tunnels, patterns, etc.
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Doctor Bishop posted:This particular discussion got me thinking about how long it'll be before actual CRTs get their own RetroStalgic Comeback™ which sees new TVs being regularly manufactured to cater to the retro hipster demographic. That's a bit of a different beast than 'spin up a SoC solution to 16 Bit emulation" or "Put those vinyl pressing plants that still remained to use again". I'm not sure the scale of such a revival would make it worthwhile, aside from the obvious boon to Arcade preservationists.
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There was a company, VU1, that was pushing miniature CRTs as a replacement for incandescent light bulbs. They got some press but why would anyone would would buy them over LED bulbs? “Light quality” seemed to be the company’s sole answer but LEDs have matched that and eat their lunch on size, price, energy consumption, and lifetime. I might buy one or two before they disappear as a novelty.
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Platystemon posted:There was a company, VU1, that was pushing miniature CRTs as a replacement for incandescent light bulbs. Oh joy, light bulbs that you can hear making a quiet high-pitched eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee sound whenever they're turned on.
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about that CRT eeeeeeeeeeeeeee thing: A few years back, I was talking to an old lighting designer (not one of the big names, but competent) and what she said is that every generation of LDs complained about the new technologies. She didn't like the way that LED lights couldn't match the warmth of tungsten, while the old people she'd learned from when she was very young didn't like how tungsten couldn't match the qualities of honest arc lamps. I'm betting that the people before that didn't like how arc lamps didn't quite have the sputtery effect that lime lights gave off. e: my point is that older types always bitch about how new tech isn't the same as what they learned on growing up. We're gonna be the same. Already I feel weird using versions of windows newer than 7 because I just don't get how the UI works, and it's gonna get worse as I age. What do you mean the computer wants to talk to me?? I just want to click buttons on the mouse. But two decade ago my mom was tellin' me "what do you mean you gotta click icons with a mouse? I just wanna punch in text commands." e2: basically my point is that whenever technology changes, people who've got set in their ways (which is easier and easier to do once you pass 30 years of age or so) don't like that things have changed and might not be able to adapt to it. Grand Prize Winner has a new favorite as of 09:04 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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Powered Descent posted:Oh joy, light bulbs that you can hear making a quiet high-pitched eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee sound whenever they're turned on. The whine of a CRT TV comes from the flyback transformer used to generate high voltage for the tube. There’s no reason you couldn’t use a modern SMPS to generate high voltage and do it at an inaudible frequency. I suspect that’s the approach they chose for reasons of size, but I’ve never torn one apart or seen one torn apart so I don’t know if that is so.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I miss old TVs where the static was actually static. IT was sometimes distracting/hypnotizing to just sit there watching it as your mind generated random shapes, tunnels, patterns, etc. HBO's 'static' gives me a giggle when. I see it. Not least because as it is random noise, the compression algorithms can't handle it on streaming media.
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It's coming! Finally a phone/PDA with a decent keyboard! https://jmcomms.com/2017/11/29/gemini-pda-20-years-on-meet-the-all-new-psion-series-5/
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I want this. I loved the original 5mx and used one until 2005 or so for taking notes at university. It looked like a tiny laptop from the future.
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scrolled further down, it can be hidden. instead I'll be the digital snow on the website
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Boiled Water posted:
drat it! I wanted to be the snow  *stomps foot*
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Электроника was the brand name of the Soviet Ministry of Electronic Industry who made general gadgetry and tech for Soviet industry and the military, but also consumer goods for a gadgetry starved Soviet populace. One thing they became concerned about in the late 70s and early 80s was the appearance of consumer goods using LED technology in the USA. LED watches and calculators were introduced in the 70s and were becoming affordable for normal people and filtering into media and the public consciousness. It was seen as important to display technological parity with the West, and they released their first LED watch in 1978 (the Elektronika 1) as the fad was already dying in the USA, and it went on to become the longest in-production LED watch I believe (up until the collapse of the USSR most likely). However, this post isn't really about that. In the early 80s, the USA was getting better at building bigger and more efficient LED products, which allowed them to use outdoor LED signage. The USSR wanted to follow suit but a combination of lacking infrastructure, technical know-how and most importantly money to do the same led them to pull off a classic "fake it 'til you make it" trick. The Elektronika 7-06K (and baby brother 7-06M) were made of strips of IV-26 VFD tubes arranged in concert and designed to appear as LEDs. They were much brighter and bolder than the available LED technology of the time, and they were so happy with it that they stuck them on the walls of pretty much every Soviet factory. Eventually, their capabilities caught up and they continued to produce the clocks with LED screens, but not before having created a rather cool piece of Soviet kitsch. 
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That's cool. I am guessing that it had 2 'minor' flaws and that it required something highly toxic to work and that each clock drew 2Kw of power.
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They still make them under the Vesta name, with LED's or VFD's(!) Which is cool as I guess you can still get (similar) tubes. The clock runs off batteries, but the clock display is driven by mains voltage. Apparently it draws 20W of power when lit. 
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ladron posted:if the knobs and poo poo are just for show, it doesn't look that hard to make yourself, if you really wanted one Those knobs all work. It's a neat TV, but super gimmicky given yeah you could knock a serviceable imitation for a fraction of the price. Or mod out an old Predicta, which would be cooler still, if on the smallish side.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:about that CRT eeeeeeeeeeeeeee thing: Yep, I fumble the gently caress around trying to find where they shoved poo poo in Win8 and 10 when I am forced to interact with them. I know WHAT to do, but Goddamnit stop moving poo poo around!
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Johnny Aztec posted:Yep, I fumble the gently caress around trying to find where they shoved poo poo in Win8 and 10 when I am forced to interact with them. Just install classic shell
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Grand Prize Winner posted:what she said is that every generation of LDs complained about the new technologies. She didn't like the way that LED lights couldn't match the warmth of tungsten, while the old people she'd learned from when she was very young didn't like how tungsten couldn't match the qualities of honest arc lamps. I'm betting that the people before that didn't like how arc lamps didn't quite have the sputtery effect that lime lights gave off. You also can't really get a uniform color set for LEDs if you have a mixture of fixtures from different manufacturers. Everyone uniformly hates loud movers and scrollers though.
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