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Kurnugia posted:the failure of the soviet union was sown by stalin and no one else. he built the soviet political system and it remained in practice completely untouched and institutionally fixed from the great Patriotic War until dissolution
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incredibly stupid take.
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https://twitter.com/DGisSERIOUS/status/1033876227164135424?s=19
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I can relate, I became a communist just so I could see everyone I grew up with get thrown into a gulag.
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broke: 20th century socialist states were authoritarian hellholes woke: that's not really true. the best aspects were downplayed and the worst heightened for propaganda bespoke: actually it is true and authoritarian hellholes are good
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I mean america is already an authoritarian hellhole now, at least if we were communists poo poo would be cheaper.
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R. Guyovich posted:broke: 20th century socialist states were authoritarian hellholes 
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people are gonna become communist because in cyberpunk 2077 there’s still private healthcare.
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Top City Homo posted:Meidner plan showed that bourgies will never allow themselves to be electorally euthanized as a system even if their stocks are offered to be purchased by the workers the meidner plan was extremely cool imo
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R. Guyovich posted:broke: 20th century socialist states were authoritarian hellholes https://twitter.com/Rhizzone_Txt/status/729416845900447744
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:the meidner plan was extremely cool imo agreed but its still trade union consciousness at its most advanced almost got socialism but the fragility of the system showed that you need dual power at the minimum to get it done so when the bourgies try to sabotage you can call a general strike to enforce it the problem as in all bourgie eloctoralism is that one mistake is enough to get the liches in power to start destroying all your gains
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Kurnugia posted:the failure of the soviet union was sown by stalin and no one else. he built the soviet political system and it remained in practice completely untouched and institutionally fixed from the great Patriotic War until dissolution that's not really correct. he made a mistake in the 1936 constitution by decoupling elections from workplaces to regional representatives but there was still a dictatorship of the proles. the communist party was still majority made up of peasants, workers and farmers. Khrushchev was the one who declared the dictatorship of the proles over and the policy of an "all-people's state" 
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*Leftistly* Which of these Great Men explains the fall of the Soviet Union?
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GalacticAcid posted:*Leftistly* Which of these Great Men explains the fall of the Soviet Union?
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indeed we are all all socialists here let me just drop this really interesting book here https://archive.org/details/PrussianismAndSocialism
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Top City Homo posted:that's not really correct. he made a mistake in the 1936 constitution by decoupling elections from workplaces to regional representatives but there was still a dictatorship of the proles. the communist party was still majority made up of peasants, workers and farmers. indeed despite of his best efforts, he wasn't able to eliminate all traces of workers control over the means of production Top City Homo posted:Khrushchev was the one who declared the dictatorship of the proles over and the policy of an "all-people's state" empty words change nothing, nor did Khrushchev. he did have fewer communists shot, so that was good i guess
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hearing echoes of hamprince on the wind
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https://twitter.com/Egoistporky/status/1034235956792971264 edit: does anyone have an invite to the CSPAM shitposting discord? plz toss me one @ ShriekingMarxist#2284 smarxist fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Aug 28, 2018 |
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well go on then, if the fall wasn't a consequence of failing to build a stable system of socialist politics with democratic participation, what was it?
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Kurnugia posted:well go on then, if the fall wasn't a consequence of failing to build a stable system of socialist politics with democratic participation, what was it? 
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i think this passage really encapsulates the REAL reason why the USSR failed:
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Kurnugia posted:well go on then, if the fall wasn't a consequence of failing to build a stable system of socialist politics with democratic participation, what was it? CAPITALIST ENCIRCLEMENT
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ShriekingMarxist posted:CAPITALIST ENCIRCLEMENT Yeah, the USSR was dialectically doomed from the beginning. Soviet leadership always followed an instrumental logic that was practical in the short term and corrosive in the long term - but in context they were still making the correct choices for their historical moment. The notion that you can be politically correct and still fail is something a lot of people have trouble accepting.
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capitalist encirclement is really all it took to tear down the most ambitious and successful socialist project that humanity had ever seen despite stalin doing nothing wrong, and that's the end of discussion folks
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fellas, who can't relate? https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1034414282350444544
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They are correct on that. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do the An Prim thread.
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Kurnugia posted:capitalist encirclement is really all it took to tear down the most ambitious and successful socialist project that humanity had ever seen despite stalin doing nothing wrong, and that's the end of discussion folks This, but unironically. It's not really that hard to grasp in the context of all the times that the transition from feudalism to capitalism failed through no fault of the capitalists/bourgeoisie. In the sense that socialism is similarly emancipatory from capitalism, the success of any particular movement is no more assured of success than any individual slave revolt, but neither does it diminish the utility of the mere attempt.
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after the system collapses, all are welcome to join me on the future site of our farming commune. you just gotta be willing to till the land and shoot a gun
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p good username / post combo
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gradenko_2000 posted:This, but unironically. And the utility is in analyzing the causes of the failure and learning what to do differently next time. Ascribing that failure on external reasons and nothing else is a cowardly cop-out of astonishing proportions I would expect to hear from libertarian wonks in dishonesty and denial of reality. Butt, maybe I'm being too harsh in demanding more satisfying answers, so whartever let's mock Allende for his supreme naivete next
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Karl Barks posted:i think this passage really encapsulates the REAL reason why the USSR failed: its all clear now the definitive argument 
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Kurnugia posted:And the utility is in analyzing the causes of the failure and learning what to do differently next time. Ascribing that failure on external reasons and nothing else is a cowardly cop-out of astonishing proportions I would expect to hear from libertarian wonks in dishonesty and denial of reality. capitalist encirclement isn't an "external reason" dialectically speaking
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I'm still waiting for this dude to challenge Max Blumenthal to a duel.
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GalacticAcid posted:fellas, who can't relate? best non-dril twitter account atm
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saw this at the New Museum today Marxist-Leninist Cowboys, Thomas Bayrle
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Lol yea saw that too
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A Big Fuckin Hornet posted:best non-dril twitter account atm you may be on to something https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1032347671741308928 https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/10319954609893u99041
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