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Serfer posted:I see my "devils advocate" friends (aka, parrot GOP talking points) saying that Comey perjured himself. They're saying he said he released the memo in response to a Trumptweet, but the tweet didn't come until days later. They're repeating trumps lawyer who had the dates wrong.
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Serfer posted:I see my "devils advocate" friends (aka, parrot GOP talking points) saying that Comey perjured himself. They're saying he said he released the memo in response to a Trumptweet, but the tweet didn't come until days later. That's OK, they probably don't either .
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Serfer posted:I see my "devils advocate" friends (aka, parrot GOP talking points) saying that Comey perjured himself. They're saying he said he released the memo in response to a Trumptweet, but the tweet didn't come until days later. https://twitter.com/juliehdavis/status/872880038202486792 His lawyer thought he had a bombshell, but got it wrong.
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NLJP posted:
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Holy poo poo the transcript of McCain today MCCAIN: "So she was clearly involved in this whole situation where fake news, as you just described it, is a big deal took place. You're going to have to help me out here. In other words, we're complete, the investigation of anything former Secretary Clinton had to do with the campaign is over and we don't have to worry about it anymore?" COMEY: " With respect to -- I'm a little confused."
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You know, thinking on it, there's also a non-zero chance that Trump tries to delete the tweet Comey referred to. He is that stupid.
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Serfer posted:I see my "devils advocate" friends (aka, parrot GOP talking points) saying that Comey perjured himself. They're saying he said he released the memo in response to a Trumptweet, but the tweet didn't come until days later. e: damnit 
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Serfer posted:I see my "devils advocate" friends (aka, parrot GOP talking points) saying that Comey perjured himself. They're saying he said he released the memo in response to a Trumptweet, but the tweet didn't come until days later. Comey said he had his memos leaked in response to Trump threatening him over Twitter with tapes, while Trump's lawyer said that the NYT was quoting those memos before the tweet in question. Trump's lawyer, surprising nobody, is lying.
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Serfer posted:I have no idea what they're referring to. yea they don't either
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theflyingorc posted:Your friend is wrong, Trump's lawyer was completely incorrect, the New York Times has clarified with verifiable information. Have a link? There's nothing buy Comey stories on the front page and I don't see one referencing this. Edit: nevermind, it was cleared up in the mean time
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Hellblazer187 posted:Yes. For evidence, Holy poo poo they're still pushing this?
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/GOPSenFinance/status/872906043264782337 Apparently that's what they think too. What was this?
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Office Pig posted:Holy poo poo they're still pushing this? Well it's one of the most violently stupid and antisocial policies imaginable, so I very much believe they will push for it.
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Skex posted:I think that it actually has more power as an analogy because it's a way to relate the experience of women dealing with sexual harassment and victim blaming to people who view themselves as powerful. If someone as powerful as the 6' 8" director of the FBI can be subjected to victim blaming what protection do women have when dealing with men who are both financially and physically able to cause them harm. Sure, I don't disagree, it's a fair point to make. I just think it probably could have been made a little less awkwardly. I don't really see Comey as a "victim" here, so much as a casualty in a really ham-handed trainwreck of power politics. The dude knew his job was at risk if he kept doing the right thing, and he knowingly stepped on the gas anyway. I guess my point is, it feels like it diminishes the imbalance in power dynamics when it comes to women being sexually harassed in the workplace. But I freely admit it's possible that I'm seriously overthinking this.  The headline probably doesn't help: "Women Say to Comey: Welcome to Our World." That seems a little facile to me. I know the authors of these pieces don't always pick their headlines, so if that's the case here, I redirect my aspersions towards the managing editor or whoever it is. Jaxyon posted:I'm guessing you're a dude because I shared that article on my FB and it's already been reshared several times by women who are like "this is spot on" The hottest of takes. Majorian fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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Stickman posted:Apparently that's what they think too. What was this? "Obamacare has put $1 trillion into american's pocketbooks"
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Majorian posted:The hottest of takes. So, yeah
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evilweasel posted:"Obamacare has put $1 trillion into american's pocketbooks" Whoops, told the truth! Better delete that poo poo!
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Meanwhile, among the more competently evil: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/08/abortion-restrictions-senate-republican-obamacare-repeal-239306 I missed this Politico story among all the Comey and hentai stuff earlier - the Senate GOP's worried that they can't restrict abortion in the AHCA redo like they'd need to satisfy the crazies. Anyone aware of someone who actually understands reconciliation weighing in on this?
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The Glumslinger posted:No, it was actually asked a ton during Watergate and that is when the current precedent comes from Yeah except for where the US v. Nixon Court explicitly said that deciding the issue wasn't necessary. I mean the President probably does have immunity from indictment while in office, but it's not precedent.
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evilweasel posted:"Obamacare has put $1 trillion into americans' pocketbooks" FTFY
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eviltastic posted:Meanwhile, among the more competently evil: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/08/abortion-restrictions-senate-republican-obamacare-repeal-239306 This is one of those "you can only have things that have an impact on the budget" issues. It's not clear a rule that subsidies can only be spent on insurance plans that do not include abortion can pass that test.
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Majorian posted:But I freely admit it's possible that I'm seriously overthinking this. You're just a misogynist that doesn't realize it yet.
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Jaxyon posted:So, yeah What point, exactly, are you trying to make here? Unormal posted:You're just a misogynist that doesn't realize it yet. Yeah, I know.
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Office Pig posted:Holy poo poo they're still pushing this? Those temporarily embarrassed bible-belt millionaires need to make sure those drat [EPITHET DELETED] aren't using food stamps for lobster and hennessey. Right?
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I can see the parallels in the victim blaming of Comey and that of sexual harassment victims in the workplace so I think the topic of that NYT opinion piece is relevant and appropriate, but I think the tone the writer took is very confrontational and will possibly do more harm than good.
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Stickman posted:Apparently that's what they think too. What was this? Screenshotted for posterity: https://twitter.com/newsfedora/status/872915250118627328
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disjoe posted:Yeah except for where the US v. Nixon Court explicitly said that deciding the issue wasn't necessary. It's defacto irrelevant due to the pardon power. Whether indictable or not he can instantly pardon himself.
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Majorian posted:What point, exactly, are you trying to make here? You sounded like you were mansplaining, dude.
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Majorian posted:What point, exactly, are you trying to make here? That it's a decent article and you're making GBS threads on it for little discernable reason?
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seiferguy posted:You sounded like you were mansplaining, dude. I didn't know the gender of the person I was talking to.
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eviltastic posted:Probably this: by the way, the right is countering that there's an article from the 11th that includes information from the memos. But NYT's source isn't the memos. It's Comey flat out telling them.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's defacto irrelevant due to the pardon power. Whether indictable or not he can instantly pardon himself. There's also legal arguments the pardon power does not extend to self-pardons.
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Majorian posted:I didn't know the gender of the person I was talking to. mansplaining has to do with the gender of the person doing it not the audience  edit: At least, moreso
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Jaxyon posted:That it's a decent article and you're making GBS threads on it for little discernable reason? Okay, well, I disagree, although I agree with the overall point it's making. I'll leave it there. Jaxyon posted:mansplaining has to do with the gender of the person doing it not the audience Yeah, well, I'm sorry if I came off as condescending. I just find it a really problematic comparison.
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Trump needs to just not create joinder with the courts, they're all admiralty anyway
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eviltastic posted:Meanwhile, among the more competently evil: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/08/abortion-restrictions-senate-republican-obamacare-repeal-239306 Few people on the planet understand everything about reconciliation, its one of the most absurdly complicated processes in the legislative branch. A few of us roughly know how it works, but for the most part on a question like this without an obvious answer, we shrug and wait for the senate parliamentarian to rule.
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evilweasel posted:There's also legal arguments the pardon power does not extend to self-pardons. From what I've read of those they seemed incredibly tenuous to me, little more than "but if the law allows that, then that would be bad!" In more words. The pardon power is like sovereign immunity: it's not about making sense, it's about the fact that monarchism was a current political theory in the 1700s and some of the framers agreed with it.
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For those confused, the basic timeline on Comey memo reporting goes like this. 5/11: NYT story saying according two two of Comey's friends he had dinner with Trump and trump asked for his loyalty. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/us/politics/trump-comey-firing.html 5/12: Trump "not a threat, not a threat, you're a threat" threatens Comey by saying he'd better hope tapes don't exist of their conversation. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/863007411132649473 5/16 NYT breaks story that Comey has memos on his conversations with the President. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.html So the claim is that because the Memos back up the earlier reporting that the earlier reporting was based on the leaked memos and therefore the memos were not leaked in a response to Trumps tweet.
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quote:Comey Testifies to President's Sexual Misconduct before Senate Committee This is fun!
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:From what I've read of those they seemed incredibly tenuous to me, little more than "but if the law allows that, then that would be bad!" In more words. The pardon power is like sovereign immunity: it's not about making sense, it's about the fact that monarchism was a current political theory in the 1700s and some of the framers agreed with it. God drat you Lin Manuel Miranda
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