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The Ferret King posted:That's probably about it. The Piaggio would be much more common. Though since Avantair folded I haven't seen an Avanti in a while. I've seen 2-3 over the last couple years. One landed and taxied right up next to me at CRQ a few years ago. Such a rad plane with such a weird sound...
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Yup I was in it and nobody was sitting forward of the wing so it slowwwwwly nosed up.. I could see the pilots in the cockpit doing their thing they didn't seem to care.. Just once they were ready to go it wasn't gonna work like that  I miss Canadian airlines (and Canadian Regional). It was a sad day for westerners when Air Canada took over  Funny, the only reference to a Canadian regional Shorts 360 is this safety card on ebay: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Canadian-Regional-Shorts-360-Canada-Airlines-Airways-Safety-Card-/281321448545 No luck finding pics of it in Canadian livery though.
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Jun 11, 2014 06:00
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priznat posted:YES! That is exactly it. Wow, got it in one. Cool! Thanks. The Irish Concorde. I have about 2500 hours in the right seat of those (don't ask) and can verify that they WILL set on their tail if you don't use a tail stand while loading bags in the aft compartment.
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Jun 11, 2014 06:00
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ausgezeichnet posted:The Irish Concorde. I have about 2500 hours in the right seat of those (don't ask) and can verify that they WILL set on their tail if you don't use a tail stand while loading bags in the aft compartment. Hah, nice. That must have been it. Everyone sat at the back since the door was back there, so everyone just grabbed the first available seat. I'd flown on them a few times between Vancouver and Victoria in BC, really short hops.
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Jun 11, 2014 06:02
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^^^You're probably thinking of TimeAir, a regional that became (through an arduous process) part of Canadian Regional. Some of the stories I hear the old salts tell about them are...incredible. It was by all accounts a strange and hilarious place. That's a pretty neat looking crate...tell me, what airplane came with it? 
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Jun 11, 2014 07:07
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priznat posted:Yup I was in it and nobody was sitting forward of the wing so it slowwwwwly nosed up.. I could see the pilots in the cockpit doing their thing they didn't seem to care.. Just once they were ready to go it wasn't gonna work like that Found one!  Pacific Coastal Airlines operated a couple of Short 360s for a while but I believe they have been retired.
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Jun 11, 2014 07:25
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priznat posted:Yup I was in it and nobody was sitting forward of the wing so it slowwwwwly nosed up.. I could see the pilots in the cockpit doing their thing they didn't seem to care.. Just once they were ready to go it wasn't gonna work like that For Air Canada's 75th they put out this commemorative poster in all the enRoute magazines with every aircraft type flown by every airline that makes up what is now Air Canada. There's a highish res photo someone took of it here: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/227390/ The guy who posted the picture also links the company AC used, and they still sell the poster, plus one for the regionals (just minus the big "75th" in the middle) http://www.designparavion.com You might find it on there!
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Jun 11, 2014 07:41
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My fondest flying memory is from a 2011 trip to the British Virgin Islands. My connecting flight from SJU to EIS was on a Cape Air Cessna 402C. For someone used to the usual air travel experience of mostly 737s, 757s, and the odd MD-80, it was a bit of a trip getting quizzed on my weight at check-in for balance reasons. For the flight out I had the seat right behind the pilot, and coming back I got the copilot's seat. I don't think I stopped grinning the entire time.
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Jun 11, 2014 07:47
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Linedance posted:For Air Canada's 75th they put out this commemorative poster in all the enRoute magazines with every aircraft type flown by every airline that makes up what is now Air Canada. There's a highish res photo someone took of it here: Huh, pokeing around that site, I saw something unusual on the planes/livery list, and then looking in the top right corner of the poster DH-82a Tiger Moth. I wonder what a Canadian airline was doing with a British built two seat trainer. Delivering mail? Training the guys who had to fly one of the 63 DHC-83 Fox Moths ever built?
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Jun 11, 2014 07:58
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ehnus posted:Found one! A stupid question: What is in the space above the passengers? Extra storage? The proportions just seems off on this plane.
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Jun 11, 2014 08:08
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ehnus posted:Found one! Very cool! Man the wings sure look thin from that perspective. That could be Victoria international (YYJ) too, definitely in BC with the AirBC truck.
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Jun 11, 2014 08:20
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Dr. Klas posted:A stupid question: What is in the space above the passengers? Extra storage? The proportions just seems off on this plane. Primarily it's to mount the wing-spar without intruding on the cabin, and also creating an aerodynamic shape. I think any other use is secondary. I don't think it would be storage beyond overhead bins (if nothing else, it's a bugger to access for ground crew). Maybe a small amount of fuel too?
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Jun 11, 2014 09:22
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The gently caress's going on here: Emirates cancels order for 70 Airbus A350s
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Jun 11, 2014 10:29
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Koesj posted:The gently caress's going on here: without any insider knowledge, my kneejerk reaction is politics and/or graft, but then they did order a shitload of 380s. I guess they figure high density mega-hub is the future, and the fuel savings offered by something like a 350 over simply carrying more bodies per flight is kind of irrelevant to them.
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Jun 11, 2014 11:04
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priznat posted:Very cool! Man the wings sure look thin from that perspective. That could be Victoria international (YYJ) too, definitely in BC with the AirBC truck. I am pretty sure it is, that looks like Saltspring Island in the background.
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Jun 11, 2014 15:49
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The Ferret King posted:Yes! Finally I get one. If I walked out onto the ramp to board and saw that loving thing, you would see me yell NOPE and turn around so fast it would make your head spin.
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Jun 11, 2014 16:05
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A Melted Tarp posted:If I walked out onto the ramp to board and saw that loving thing, you would see me yell NOPE and turn around so fast it would make your head spin. Huh, I would fistpump wildly.
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Jun 11, 2014 16:09
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A Melted Tarp posted:If I walked out onto the ramp to board and saw that loving thing, you would see me yell NOPE and turn around so fast it would make your head spin. It can probably take off and land on a dime covered in mud.
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Jun 11, 2014 16:16
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Jun 11, 2014 16:27
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...which was never painted like that and was illegal to take above Mach 0.95 under their control
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Jun 11, 2014 17:22
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simplefish posted:...which was never painted like that and was illegal to take above Mach 0.95 under their control Really? Why is that?
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Jun 11, 2014 17:23
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FrozenVent posted:Really? Why is that? It was used for intra-American flights, where FAA prohibits supersonic flight due to sonic boom issues.
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Jun 11, 2014 17:25
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FrozenVent posted:Really? Why is that? FAA being killjoys.
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Helter Skelter posted:My fondest flying memory is from a 2011 trip to the British Virgin Islands. My connecting flight from SJU to EIS was on a Cape Air Cessna 402C. They are still running their fleet of 402Cs. They still have the NOAA-themed one in your picture, and have another one painted up like a shark or killer whale. It is hideous. I'll snap a pic the next time I see it.  I usually end up flying with Cape Air during the summer when the Seaborne flight I'm on invariably runs out of weight. Free roundtrip voucher if I switch airlines and wait an extra 30 minutes? Hell yes. Helter Skelter posted:For someone used to the usual air travel experience of mostly 737s, 757s, and the odd MD-80, it was a bit of a trip getting quizzed on my weight at check-in for balance reasons. The (unofficial) boarding procedure for a Cape Air 402C is the inverse of MrChips' signature - Fatties in first, skinny Minnies in the back.
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Jun 11, 2014 18:48
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Pretty sure this is a flight attendant's uniform, anyone able to identify it? My Tindering will thank you.
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Phanatic posted:Pretty sure this is a flight attendant's uniform, anyone able to identify it? My Tindering will thank you. That's, uh, a little creepy. It'd help if you told us where you're at, though.
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Jun 11, 2014 19:17
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buttcrackmenace posted:The (unofficial) boarding procedure for a Cape Air 402C is the inverse of MrChips' signature - Fatties in first, skinny Minnies in the back.  Hell of a good view, in any case. Wouldn't surprise me if most of the lardasses flew with American Eagle/Envoy Air (which was running ATR-72s that way at the time, iirc) instead, though.
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buttcrackmenace posted:They are still running their fleet of 402Cs. They still have the NOAA-themed one in your picture, and have another one painted up like a shark or killer whale. Cape Air is going to be replacing their 402Cs with Tecnam P2012s which are being developed specifically for the kind of service Cape Air provides (mostly very short regional flights) Cape Air is also one of the largest recipients of Federal subsidies under the Essential Air Services program.
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Dr. Klas posted:A stupid question: What is in the space above the passengers? Extra storage? The proportions just seems off on this plane. Fuel, baby. All fuel. A common way for airline fuelers to be made aware of the fact that the Shorts was full was for it to rain Jet-A all over them through the vent circuit.  I'm just the kind of perverted freak to still have 22 year old Shorts 360 training manuals (as well as all the other weird aircraft I've flown since).
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Jun 11, 2014 22:56
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That rules. Funky fuel filled hunchback.
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Jun 11, 2014 22:58
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This thread needs more Shorts 330. Retractable gear on that airplane is so... Optimistic.
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MrYenko posted:This thread needs more Shorts 330. I'm pretty sure the only reason the gear was retractable on the 330/360 was so it could be certified into known icing and make second segment climb restrictions. You had to get that poo poo out of the slipstream so it didn't collect ice. I remember flying around at Max Continuous power in icing just so we didn't get slow enough to start collecting ice on the aircraft's GINORMOUS belly full of rivets. The wing struts weren't protected so they'd pick up rime the size and shape of a 2x4.
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Really does NOT look like the kind of plane I'd want to fly in icing conditions. So many right angles...
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It's also got no wing at all on it. So skinny and so little chord. Why?
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The Ferret King posted:Really does NOT look like the kind of plane I'd want to fly in icing conditions. So many right angles... Those wing struts and wheel sponsons look like ice magnets. Enjoy flying that brick into the ground.
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charliemonster42 posted:It's also got no wing at all on it. So skinny and so little chord. Why? It's got the aerodynamics of a glider meant to carry 36 people. There's no fuel carried in the wings, so it's got a high aspect ratio for efficiency. Allegedly, 40% of the total lift came from the flat, airfoil-shaped fuselage. Cruise speed was about 185 knots, so high speed performance was obviously not a player. It did a pretty good job hauling people over short distances in the UK and Ireland, but flying it in Pennsylvania in the summer was loving torture. My first leg of IOE in the aircraft was in mid-June out of PHL. With a medium load on a short flight to Harrisburg at about 90°F we managed between +400 and -50 feet per minute in the climb to 6000 ft. No freon air conditioning in the PT6A-65R model - just a super-lovely air cycle machine. Temp in the greenhouse-like cockpit was about 110°F. If I hadn't been laid off from a horrible charter job a few months prior, I would have quit when we landed in KMDT. I spent almost three years flying that pig until I got furloughed (RegionalAirline.txt).
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ausgezeichnet posted:Fuel, baby. All fuel. A common way for airline fuelers to be made aware of the fact that the Shorts was full was for it to rain Jet-A all over them through the vent circuit. Those things fuel so goddamn slowly I'm convinced that the single-point setup was put in for "Me too!" credit and less for any time savings vs. overwing refueling. Speaking of overwing fun: refueling a C208 on amphibs.
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SyHopeful posted:Those things fuel so goddamn slowly I'm convinced that the single-point setup was put in for "Me too!" credit and less for any time savings vs. overwing refueling. You think that's a laugh? Try refueling a Mitsubishi MU-2 (which I will effortpost about someday). All the fuel is carried in the wings and a pair of big-rear end tip tanks, which will cause the aircraft to fall over if you don't refuel them in the proper order...at very least, you're gonna get the ladder wedged under the wing. E: If you want to talk about overwing refueling hell, well there's this...  
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What the hell. When did Russia try and turn a jetliner into a helicopter?
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