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Frankly if I was trump I would have went after a bunch of fresh zero-experience lawyers and said "if you pay ME 10 million dollars you will have the honor of defending me in my impeachment trial. I will never be convicted no matter what pile of poo poo you present as our defense, and you will be able to advertise for all time that you defended the president during an unprecedented second impeachment and successfully won the case".
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PT6A posted:Everyone who claims to be pro-life in any sense but supports a president who sped through a series of executions at the end of his term, is going to Hell. I have seen an increasing amount of pro-life people say that as they are the pro-life people, they therefore get to define what pro-life means which does not extend in anyway beyond preventing abortions. This allows them to not feel bad about not helping families after birth or anything else in the GOP agenda.
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Feb 13, 2021 23:39
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/frfrankpavone/status/1360712085844418564?s=20 who is this rear end in a top hat? father coughlin 2.0?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:who is this rear end in a top hat? father coughlin 2.0? Yes, actually
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Feb 14, 2021 00:20
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nine-gear crow posted:I remember being laughed out of USPOL when I reminded people that even in the minority, Mitch McConnell is still the most powerful man in America. How is that your takeaway from this?
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Feb 14, 2021 00:56
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https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/1360715132943405059?s=20 Be careful what you wish for.
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Feb 14, 2021 00:57
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/1360715132943405059?s=20 That's a demented position. You need a strong, capable, and principled opposition. In the Democrats' case, what they need is that, but from the left.
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Feb 14, 2021 01:01
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Seven Republicans hosed around. https://twitter.com/LAGOP/status/1360700450882924544?s=20 Now they're gonna find out.
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Feb 14, 2021 01:04
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I am hearing this attitude everywhere lately and it boggles my loving mind. I especially can't believe its being espoused by the leader of the Democrats.
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Feb 14, 2021 01:04
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GlyphGryph posted:I am hearing this attitude everywhere lately and it boggles my loving mind. I especially can't believe its being espoused by the leader of the Democrats. The vague idea of bipartisanship is insanely popular IRL, even among people who should know better.
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Feb 14, 2021 01:06
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I think it's also part of normalization. A lot of Americans for various reasons, many selfish myopia, need to keep pretending that both parties are fundamentally good or at least bad in the generic greedy politician way and that they have differing valid opinions. Not the reality that one of the parties is openly fascist and desires policies that in the short term will murder millions of people and in the long term will result in the extermination of Human civilization and possibly all life on the planet. 'One of the two political parties is a fascist death cult campaigning for omnicide, and the other consists of disinterested centrists and actively malicious Quislings.' isn't a truth most people are willing or able to accept.
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Feb 14, 2021 01:10
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GlyphGryph posted:I am hearing this attitude everywhere lately and it boggles my loving mind. I especially can't believe its being espoused by the leader of the Democrats. Strip away the complete toxic waste that is the Republican party, and you certainly need both conservative and progressive personalities to run a functional society. This is something that most people intuitively understand
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Feb 14, 2021 01:11
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paternity suitor posted:Strip away the complete toxic waste that is the Republican party, and you certainly need both conservative and progressive personalities to run a functional society. This is something that most people intuitively understand I'm having trouble thinking of something "conservative" thought does that's beneficial but that's mostly because conservatism has largely been replaced by regressivism so I don't know what conservatism looks like anymore.
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Feb 14, 2021 01:13
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Angry_Ed posted:I'm having trouble thinking of something "conservative" thought does that's beneficial but that's mostly because conservatism has largely been replaced by regressivism so I don't know what conservatism looks like anymore. Moderate Democrats are beneficial, sane conservatives. The US discourse has become deranged to the point that they are derided as socialists and radicals, but this is not the case. What is needed is a political stage where the moderate Dems represent the right wing, the progressive Dems represent the centre, and there's actual representation of the left wing. EDIT: To put it in more concrete terms, I want to see a situation where Biden is the right wing, Warren is a hint right of centre, Bernie is a hint left of centre, and AOC is the rightmost of a leftist group.
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Feb 14, 2021 01:20
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Angry_Ed posted:I'm having trouble thinking of something "conservative" thought does that's beneficial but that's mostly because conservatism has largely been replaced by regressivism so I don't know what conservatism looks like anymore. Conservatism was literally created to undo the enlightenment, restore strict birth based social hierarchy, and undermine democracy. Its been reactionary since the day it was created. What possible benefit does that ideology provide on a national scale? PT6A posted:Moderate Democrats are beneficial, sane conservatives. Modern moderate democrats don't adhere to conservative ideology. They are liberals who still adhere to classic American enlightenment ideals, even if they also really like helping rich people. I think a liberal party and a progressive/social welfare style party would be a perfectly good two access system without any need for bringing a conservative party into the mix. There are also plenty of other political ideologies out there you could pick for your opposition party with some really interesting mixes of issues!
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paternity suitor posted:Strip away the complete toxic waste that is the Republican party, and you certainly need both conservative and progressive personalities to run a functional society. This is something that most people intuitively understand Dear God.
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Feb 14, 2021 01:35
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In theory I think it's healthy to have a conservative party asking "does this policy change really make sense?" or "does this money need to be spent?" to counter-balance all of the new policy and spending that would be pushed by a progressive party. Unchecked change can be just as bad as doing nothing. Of course the current Republicans are bad faith actors salting the earth and trying to undermine the government at a fundamental level, so they're going way beyond what a healthy conservative party should be doing in theory. It also doesn't help that the GOP are over-represented and our lovely campaign finance laws allow them to be bought by special interest groups.
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Seph posted:In theory I think it's healthy to have a conservative party asking "does this policy change really make sense?" or "does this money need to be spent?" to counter-balance all of the new policy and spending that would be pushed by a progressive party. Neither of these are conservative positions, though? What do we gain from a conservative party asking them instead of, say, an incrementalist liberal party?
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Feb 14, 2021 01:47
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/frfrankpavone/status/1360712085844418564?s=20 Burr isn't even running again.
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Feb 14, 2021 01:47
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Dear loving god, Republicans are having a field day today. The minority, representing 76 million fewer people, wins, somehow. They're already emboldened for Trump 2024 and it's going to happen.
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Feb 14, 2021 01:51
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/frfrankpavone/status/1360712085844418564?s=20 How can anyone think this past 4 years was great for anyone when it was horseshit for everyone who wasn't a multimillionaire? This cult needs to loving die already, this is horrifying.
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Feb 14, 2021 01:53
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Framboise posted:Dear loving god, Republicans are having a field day today. Trump was always going to be acquitted. Claiming that that somehow leads to his victory in 2024, less than one month after he left office, is the epitome of broke brain doomerism.
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Feb 14, 2021 01:56
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Seph posted:Trump was always going to be acquitted. Claiming that that somehow leads to his victory in 2024, less than one month after he left office, is the epitome of broke brain doomerism. I genuinely would love to see evidence proving otherwise. If we can't even succeed in loving TRYING to hold this cult accountable (even if it was always going to end in acquittal because the GOP is complicit) then the next campaign has already begun. I want to be wrong, but I see all the damage that's been done in the past 5 years. I also see how many people loving REVEL in it. I'm not dooming, I'm seeing the logical progression of events here and it scares me. Framboise fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Feb 14, 2021 |
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Framboise posted:I genuinely would love to see evidence proving otherwise. Burden of proof is on you here, Doomy Doom
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Utnayan posted:I had to toss in some comedy you sick sons of bitches. ever notice they always have this same affect of talking?
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Feb 14, 2021 02:05
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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Framboise posted:I genuinely would love to see evidence proving otherwise. If we can't even succeed in loving TRYING to hold this cult accountable (even if it was always going to end in acquittal because the GOP is complicit) then the next campaign has already begun. Sure, there's a non-zero chance that Trump wins in 2024, but claiming that it's a foregone conclusion four years before it happens is just broke-brained. You're asking me to provide evidence against some hypothetical you came up with that won't even happen for four years. Don't you see how silly that sounds?
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Y'all are getting a little too doom and gloom one month into a mostly successful Biden administration.
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Framboise posted:I genuinely would love to see evidence proving otherwise. If we can't even succeed in loving TRYING to hold this cult accountable (even if it was always going to end in acquittal because the GOP is complicit) then the next campaign has already begun. Trump's first acquittal's effect on the 2020 Election was negligible according to everyone who has any clue what they're talking about. Trump being allowed to run again rather than being barred from it just means that the political calculus of 2024 is the same today as it was yesterday instead of radically different. The fact that Right Wing Idiots on Twitter are happy that their False God got a non-victory which everyone knew he was going to get within about 4 days of the riot is going to be forgotten in like a week, because everything Trump related gets forgotten in like a week because that's how his movement works. Don't nostradamus yourself into despair.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Burden of proof is on you here, Doomy Doom Pre-edit: after seeing responses here, what's the point. I had a long response here but it's not worth pursuing if all I'm going to get is being called broke-brained for seeing what has happened and genuinely worried about it. I want to see the silver lining you all do but I'm having a real hard time of it right now.
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Angry_Ed posted:I'm having trouble thinking of something "conservative" thought does that's beneficial but that's mostly because conservatism has largely been replaced by regressivism so I don't know what conservatism looks like anymore. I mean, up until recently, it looked like large swaths of the democratic party. There's no reasonable part of the political spectrum represented by the GOP anymore.
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Feb 14, 2021 02:27
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Framboise posted:Pre-edit: after seeing responses here, what's the point. I had a long response here but it's not worth pursuing if all I'm going to get is being called broke-brained for seeing what has happened and genuinely worried about it. If you had said something like "I'm worried that the Dems not bringing in witnesses to the impeachment trial could hurt their chances in 2024, here are my reasons why" that would be a perfectly valid concern. It might even create some good discussion. But instead you took something that was obviously going to happen (acquittal), extrapolated it into some doomsday scenario four years from now, and presented it as a guaranteed outcome. There's no way to substantively debate or discuss some hypothetical situation you created that won't even happen for another four years.
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Framboise posted:Pre-edit: after seeing responses here, what's the point. I had a long response here but it's not worth pursuing if all I'm going to get is being called broke-brained for seeing what has happened and genuinely worried about it. The people who are calling you broke-brained are being unkind based on seeing too many people on this forum ready and eager to turn every bit of positive news into the crushing forever defeat of leftism. Its entirely reasonable for you to express your anxieties about Trump and the future. That's why all I said is "Look at previous examples of similar 'victories,' remember how transitory and meaningless they were for Trump, and don't let your fear of years in the future discourage you in the now."
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Kirios posted:Y'all are getting a little too doom and gloom one month into a mostly successful Biden administration. We are literally looking at the worst outcome. Trump and every fascist from here on out now knows they can try a final hour coup attempt and get away with it.
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