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Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



RNG posted:

The author insisted it was about his hubris as a young man and got pissed off when it reduced the audience of grown executives to tears.
I think Graveyard of the Fireflies is one of the works where the author's interpretation of their own work is the most at odds with the general audience interpretation, second only maybe to Ray Bradbury with Fahrenheit 451.

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Scarodactyl
Oct 22, 2015


Maybe Updike with The Jungle? Which was a pretty unnerving disconnect.

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


I find the whole filial-piety thing hard to comprehend which you see in Eastern works. If China made Star Wars then Luke would try to stop the rebels from destroying the Empire's property, and he'd follow Vader without resistance because he's his dad.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



While cultural norms do create weird dissonance, that is a pretty bad sweeping generalization wrt your Star Wars take.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer
I feel like theres a certain type of artist who end up being contrarian about the obvious messages of their art after a certain point for some weird reason that probably only they know. Bob Dylan for instance. I think being boxed into a mindset in the general public mindview drives some creative types a little loopy

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Terrible Opinions posted:

I think Graveyard of the Fireflies is one of the works where the author's interpretation of their own work is the most at odds with the general audience interpretation, second only maybe to Ray Bradbury with Fahrenheit 451.

What was Bradbury's take on F451?

Tashilicious
Jul 17, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Milo and POTUS posted:

What was Bradbury's take on F451?

It was about how TV is going to kill books.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Milo and POTUS posted:

What was Bradbury's take on F451?

Television culture is the bad guy, not the government.

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


Sadly the HBO adaptation is supposed to suck rear end, despite the talent onscreen.

Pyrotoad
Oct 24, 2010


Illegal Hen
Didn't he write it as a form of penance to his sister who died the same way? I can understand him getting upset at people saying they feel so bad for both children - sometimes people who hate themselves also hate when other people don't agree that they're the worst.

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


Keru posted:

All this discussion of the horrors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki reminded me of the one song that always wrecks me when it comes to these events.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9ckznQP2FA

First penned by Ian Campbell of the Ian Campbell Folkband, it's probably best known as the cover recorded by Simon & Garfunkel, but I prefer The Dubliners version.

The way it draws you in as just a nice little summery melody and then sideswipes you in the last verses.

The Sun has come to earth.

gently caress. That's brilliant.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Cross-posting from the OSHA thread. (which is almost as bad as this thread, but fortunately more people survive in it, and there's no serial killer chat)



quote:

Wes @grizkid is seen here crawling into a unusually deep and narrow 70 foot den in order to sedate and re-collar a 320lb male black bear around Bryce Canyon National Park. It was one of the most claustrophobic and scary situations of my life. Wes disappeared into the den of this hibernating bear armed with only a short aluminum pole attached to a tranquilizer dart. The tunnel was only as big as the bear with no escape except a very quick 50 foot backwards crawl should he decide to charge.
Wes, 31, is a masters student at Brigham Young University who is currently doing his thesis research on black bear (Ursus Americanus) populations around Bryce Canyon National Park.

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Oct 15, 2012

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Biscuit Hider

Pyrotoad posted:

Didn't he write it as a form of penance to his sister who died the same way? I can understand him getting upset at people saying they feel so bad for both children - sometimes people who hate themselves also hate when other people don't agree that they're the worst.

That’s always what hits me the most, not just how it ends but how he rewrote his own story so that the character based on him dies too.

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.

Ha, gently caress that!

MightyJoe36
Dec 29, 2013

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

Leavemywife posted:

Ha, gently caress that!

Yeah. Even without the bear.

SneezeOfTheDecade
Feb 6, 2011

gettin' covid all
over your posts

Scarodactyl posted:

Maybe Updike with The Jungle? Which was a pretty unnerving disconnect.

That's Upton Sinclair, not John Updike. :) And yeah, you'd think a muckraking journalist would have realized that "corporations are mistreating these people I've never met" isn't going to hit as hard as "there's rat and human flesh in my cheeseburger".

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

Inspector Gesicht posted:

Sadly the HBO adaptation is supposed to suck rear end
So it's a faithful adaptation, then?

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.
It doesn't help that the parts of the book that deal most directly with socialism are the worst written parts of the book while the parts talking about what's going on in the slaughterhouses are incredibly horrifying and evocative.

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


Skelicopter posted:

Not exactly an article, but I recently discovered an epic thread by a Belgian adventurer couple about their 2008 road trip through the Democratic Republic of Congo, from Lubumbashi to Kinshasa, just a few years after the Second Congo War ended. It was the first time the drive had been attempted by anyone outside the Congo since the 1980s, back before the wars, when the infrastructure in the country was much better. It's not written in perfect English, but it's an absolute rollercoaster and worth your time.

Pretty unnerving for several reasons: the tourists' cheerful disregard for their own safety; the evident after-effects of one of the most brutal wars of the 21st century; the number of times they almost died or were chased by angry villagers with machetes; the revelations about how much the Democratic Republic of Congo has suffered, and its infrastructure deteriorated, in the past 30 years; the fact that some of the older people in the Congo actually miss the brutal colonialism of the past because at least it provided some stability; and also, I guess, all the stuff about cannibal bandits and ears being fried in pans.

"We had the feeling that they were focussing on us, not only because we were in a vehicle, but because of our skin color. Did a white person do something wrong here?"

Yes. Many.

Ok, to be fair it's not like the people in those villages know about this part of the country's history, but dear god those Belgians couldn't be more clueless. Good for them that they knew their way around poorly maintained roads and rough terrain and had contacts, because tha's their lifeline.

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Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



I think a Belgian getting killed for being an idiot in the Congo may be the single most justifiable homicide I can think of.

this broken hill
Apr 10, 2018

by Lowtax

StrixNebulosa posted:

Cross-posting from the OSHA thread. (which is almost as bad as this thread, but fortunately more people survive in it, and there's no serial killer chat)


bears have such gentle faces :unsmith:

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


They are but terriers who shred faces instead of cushions.

POOL IS CLOSED
Jul 14, 2011

I'm just exploding with mackerel. This is the aji wo kutta of my discontent.
Pillbug
An update on Hennepin and ketamine...

http://www.startribune.com/group-wants-feds-to-investigate-hennepin-healthcare-s-ketamine-research/489064641/

I received a lead from a goon asking whether the increased administration of ketamine in prehospital patients detained by police was related to Minnesota's status as a ketamine research center, and it turns out this was a fantastic lead. Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to scoop that one in time. Also, former acting US attorney general Sally Yates is heading an independent investigation into whether police acted inappropriately...

I am, however, talking with that EMS medical director tomorrow as planned. :toot:

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

👁️🔥👁️👁️👁️BE NOT👄AFRAID👁️👁️👁️🔥👁️

POOL IS CLOSED posted:

An update on Hennepin and ketamine...

http://www.startribune.com/group-wants-feds-to-investigate-hennepin-healthcare-s-ketamine-research/489064641/

I received a lead from a goon asking whether the increased administration of ketamine in prehospital patients detained by police was related to Minnesota's status as a ketamine research center, and it turns out this was a fantastic lead. Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to scoop that one in time. Also, former acting US attorney general Sally Yates is heading an independent investigation into whether police acted inappropriately...

I am, however, talking with that EMS medical director tomorrow as planned. :toot:
Huh, interesting to see how that panned out. The details in the article make me extremely sad and frustrated.

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POOL IS CLOSED
Jul 14, 2011

I'm just exploding with mackerel. This is the aji wo kutta of my discontent.
Pillbug
Another goon -- an EMT, sorry I forgot your username! -- also asked if ketamine's use is related to excited delirium.

WELL.

I was trying to find NASEMSO's statement (which doesn't exist, because why not lead from the rear?) and stumbled over this instead.

https://europepmc.org/abstract/med/23231451

Note the first author's name (Dr. Jeffrey Ho, medical director for several Minnesota EMS agencies) and a subsequent contributing author (Dr. Jonathan B. Cole, medical director of the Minnesota Poison Control System) and the last author's name (the senior author, Dr. William G. Heegaard). Both are employed with Hennepin Healthcare. Dr. Jeffrey Ho is... oh... a deputy sheriff, a former medical director and operator for some urban SWAT team, and claims to be an internationally recognized expert on the intersection of medicine and law enforcement.

edit: ...and one more thing that's not mentioned, as far as I noticed, on Dr. Ho's Hennepin County Health Clinic bio.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-idUSKCN1B417N

He's Taser's contracted medical director since 2009.

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turntabler
Sep 10, 2011

POOL IS CLOSED posted:

Another goon -- an EMT, sorry I forgot your username! -- also asked if ketamine's use is related to excited delirium.

WELL.

I was trying to find NASEMSO's statement (which doesn't exist, because why not lead from the rear?) and stumbled over this instead.

https://europepmc.org/abstract/med/23231451

Note the first author's name (Dr. Jeffrey Ho, medical director for several Minnesota EMS agencies) and a subsequent contributing author (Dr. Jonathan B. Cole, medical director of the Minnesota Poison Control System) and the last author's name (the senior author, Dr. William G. Heegaard). Both are employed with Hennepin Healthcare. Dr. Jeffrey Ho is... oh... a deputy sheriff, a former medical director and operator for some urban SWAT team, and claims to be an internationally recognized expert on the intersection of medicine and law enforcement.

edit: ...and one more thing that's not mentioned, as far as I noticed, on Dr. Ho's Hennepin County Health Clinic bio.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-idUSKCN1B417N

He's Taser's contracted medical director since 2009.

That was me. That is some good research!

Good luck with your interview tomorrow, hopefully you get something more than the stock standard answers from those kind of people i.e. patient safety is our highest priority, I cannot comment on individual cases etc.

If you find anything juicy out you could always consider contacting the author of the individual article and see if they are interested in what you've uncovered or something like that.

Godspeed noble goon!

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001
I can't count to four.
Yams Fan
Can hardly wait until Ketamine is used as a compliance tool. Beatings will feel GREAT!

POOL IS CLOSED
Jul 14, 2011

I'm just exploding with mackerel. This is the aji wo kutta of my discontent.
Pillbug

turntabler posted:

That was me. That is some good research!

Good luck with your interview tomorrow, hopefully you get something more than the stock standard answers from those kind of people i.e. patient safety is our highest priority, I cannot comment on individual cases etc.

If you find anything juicy out you could always consider contacting the author of the individual article and see if they are interested in what you've uncovered or something like that.

Godspeed noble goon!

It's funny because I'm getting the squirreliness from physicians like you'd expect but really none at all from the paramedics (I haven't gotten to talk to any EMT-Bs or EMT-Is/EMT-Cs about the issue yet, might get to today). Our state director will probably be squirrely, but I guess I'll see today!

I'd looooove to talk to Dr. Ho, or anyone else sitting on the Minnesota EMS Regulatory Board, but lol

Remulak posted:

Can hardly wait until Ketamine is used as a compliance tool. Beatings will feel GREAT!

As an aside, all this research concerns a usage that is off-label for ketamine as far as I've been able to determine. The FDA only approved ketamine for anesthesia in pediatric and veterinary patients. There are certainly drugs used quite helpfully for off-label purposes (like propranolol as an anxiolytic!), but ketamine's abuse potential is also well-known and it should probably receive the same cautious consideration in clinical settings (esp. emergency medicine) that benzos and opioids are finally getting.

The American Journal of Psychiatry published a brief editorial July 18th asking whether a safe framework for ketamine's use can even be established, and strongly suggested that their emergency medicine colleagues actually research the appropriateness of using ketamine to treat suicidality in patients being directly discharged from the emergency department or whether that situation actually merits the patient being admitted for inpatient treatment to receive ketamine as part of their care. Pediatric psychiatry, especially emergency pediatric psychiatry, is increasingly torn over whether ketamine is appropriate at all in their patients, because there's so little data on the developmental effects of ketamine, including addiction.

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014

Negrostrike posted:

"We had the feeling that they were focussing on us, not only because we were in a vehicle, but because of our skin color. Did a white person do something wrong here?"

Yes. Many.

Ok, to be fair it's not like the people in those villages know about this part of the country's history, but dear god those Belgians couldn't be more clueless. Good for them that they knew their way around poorly maintained roads and rough terrain and had contacts, because tha's their lifeline.

Why wouldn't the villagers know?

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


I suppose villagers from war-torn parts of one of the poorest countries in the world might have a bit of a trouble having access to education, which receives pretty much no funding from the government? Can't say for sure of course because I've never been in the DRC but even people in first world countries usually have a poor understanding of the history of their own countries.

this broken hill
Apr 10, 2018

by Lowtax

Negrostrike posted:

I suppose villagers from war-torn parts of one of the poorest countries in the world might have a bit of a trouble having access to education, which receives pretty much no funding from the government? Can't say for sure of course because I've never been in the DRC but even people in first world countries usually have a poor understanding of the history of their own countries.
past atrocities aren't something that gets passed down by education, people are taught that stuff by their families and communities from the moment they're born

JacquelineDempsey
Aug 6, 2008

Women's Circuit Bender Union Local 34



Terrible Opinions posted:

I think a Belgian getting killed for being an idiot in the Congo may be the single most justifiable homicide I can think of.

Yeah, I got as far as page 2 where this privileged af tourist stays for a second night at an orphanage where the people running it take them in and, in return for safe shelter, have the [sarcasm]audacity[/sarcasm] to ask "hey, maybe you could help us out a little while you're here?" and his reply is "sorry, our morale is low". gently caress everyone on that trip, and their constant use of :rolleyes: when posting the story. I'm unnerved by their cluelessness and callousness.

Luna
May 31, 2001

A hand full of seeds and a mouthful of dirt


Marcade posted:

Everyone knows the Belgians have always been very hands off in the Congo, anyway.

How did this not get any love? I got you bro.

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014

this broken hill posted:

past atrocities aren't something that gets passed down by education, people are taught that stuff by their families and communities from the moment they're born
This.
And lol they are literally able to speak French with these people and the dumb dumbs find a Belgian structure in the middle of no where.

ulex minor
Apr 30, 2018

JacquelineDempsey posted:

Yeah, I got as far as page 2 where this privileged af tourist stays for a second night at an orphanage where the people running it take them in and, in return for safe shelter, have the [sarcasm]audacity[/sarcasm] to ask "hey, maybe you could help us out a little while you're here?" and his reply is "sorry, our morale is low". gently caress everyone on that trip, and their constant use of :rolleyes: when posting the story. I'm unnerved by their cluelessness and callousness.

Also, they had this painting made to commemorate the trip:

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


ulex minor posted:

Also, they had this painting made to commemorate the trip:



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...
...

FTR, Tintin au Congo (on whose cover this is based) was published in 1930, and didn't get an English translation for 60 years because of how racist it is.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
joke: *woosh*

Hauki
May 11, 2010


Arsenic Lupin posted:

...
...
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FTR, Tintin au Congo (on whose cover this is based) was published in 1930, and didn't get an English translation for 60 years because of how racist it is.

I was way into asterix and tintin when I was young and even as like a six or seven year old I knew there was some hosed up poo poo going on in that one.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

Remulak posted:

Can hardly wait until Ketamine is used as a compliance tool. Beatings will feel GREAT!

Anytime I’ve done ketamine I’ve been able to pull myself out of it at will. I dunno if that’s common or not

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Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Pick posted:

joke: *woosh*

*makes woosh motion with stump of missing hand...gets sad again

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