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Kavak posted:Is there some specific punchline I'm missing with Modiphius? No, Modiphius is fine but White Wolf used to be a major RPG company and to relegate publishing to another company seems like a step down in a big way. It makes sense, printing is expensive and Modiphius is a big company who publishes RPG's, but most of the companies they publish are small, like the Fragged Empire guy. This is very much Swedracula's pet project while Paradox sits on the rights.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:I just, don't understand what this is supposed to accomplish? V20 fixed some (SOME) of the issues with the old world. CofD was finally coming into its own. What is this supposed to fix, exactly? The return of Vampire to the glory days of 1E, of course! You know, the TRUE vampire experience!
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:I just, don't understand what this is supposed to accomplish? V20 fixed some (SOME) of the issues with the old world. CofD was finally coming into its own. What is this supposed to fix, exactly?
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Apr 24, 2018 16:06
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Why don't things make me feel the way they did when I was younger?
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Apr 24, 2018 16:15
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Pope Guilty posted:Why don't things make me feel the way they did when I was younger? Guys, I think Dennis Reynolds is a WoD fan.
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Apr 24, 2018 16:16
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Pope Guilty posted:Why don't things make me feel the way they did when I was younger? Probably cuz magic is dying forever. Better capture a bunch of tzimisce and steal their blood about it.
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Apr 24, 2018 16:27
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:Did they keep Generation?
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Apr 24, 2018 16:31
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:Did they keep Generation? I actually liked how they did generation in the super bare-bones 5e preview pdf thing. It made it take longer for you to start feeling the drawbacks of spending lots of blood, but made those drawbacks worse and harder to pay down by feeding.
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Apr 24, 2018 16:34
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thatbastardken posted:sorry if this question comes up all the time and i just didn't see the answer but is there a concise primer on the issues with new-old world of darkness and swedracula? I'm sure somebody has evidence if that's what you crave but the underlying message seems to be that SJWs ruined Vampire. To his credit the guy has not said exactly this, directly, but that's the message
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Geist was approved by WW and is in editing according to this week's Monday meeting. That seems like it went fast. Hopefully this means a KS soon.
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Warthur posted:So based on the "Grave War" hints it seems to be suggested that Gehenna is cyclical, and that whoever survives ends up being the new Antediluvians (who can then presumably sire a bunch of new 4th-Gen folk and thus reinvigorate the clan blood). I'll be curious to hear if that gets fleshed out. If they tie it in to vampires being puppets of a sentient alien blood curse, that'd be sick as hell. Ferrinus posted:I actually liked how they did generation in the super bare-bones 5e preview pdf thing. It made it take longer for you to start feeling the drawbacks of spending lots of blood, but made those drawbacks worse and harder to pay down by feeding. I've only found the "rusted blood" preview which I feel foolish of because I'm CERTAIN it's been linked in thread before, but I can't find it.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:I'll be curious to hear if that gets fleshed out. If they tie it in to vampires being puppets of a sentient alien blood curse, that'd be sick as hell. A vampire is never truly alone The whole “surviving vampires are the new antediluvians” thing seems like a pretty bald sop to the diehard grogs who want their old Mary Sue characters to become in-setting rivals to Elminster or whatever his WoD equivalent was
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Speaking of, anybody have updates on how the whole “collaboratively established living world” thing is planning out
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Basic Chunnel posted:A vampire is never truly alone That does sort of track with the theory I had Re: Werewolf. The reason why the tribes have flanderized so badly and reverted to their old ways, as well as the reason why the Litany has basically been torn to pieces. Because the tribal elders right now are the people that, for some reason or another, did not go to the last battleground and die in the apocalypse. So all the freshly changed cubs and rank 1 Garou, or all the cowards who ran and hid, are trying to revise history so that things reflect better on them even as they're loving over the world on a grand scale in the process. That's not a *good* take, but it's a take.
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which version of the Apocalypse did NuWerewolf go with then? i'm guessing not the cool one where a meteor strike plunges the world into literal darkness, then the battle begins
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No idea, we haven't heard much on specifics beyond them reverting every tribe to their 1e portrayal and some utterly dire poo poo about the litany.
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Apr 24, 2018 18:18
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Beckett's Jyhad Diary seemed to be less about "survivors become the new antediluvians" and more about "if you're a vampire the world is just constantly loving ending all the time, and you might as well not worry about it."
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thatbastardken posted:sorry if this question comes up all the time and i just didn't see the answer but is there a concise primer on the issues with new-old world of darkness and swedracula? Hired harrassment specialist Zak S. for their first in-house production and stood by him in the face of backlash. Lead Storyteller Martin Dracula contributed a story using the phrase "full rear end-rape stiffness" to a reprint of an anthology edited by a child abuser. 5e playtest materials include mechanics for Brujah being hyperbolically offended or as the text calls it "triggered" and present an active pedophile as one of the playtest scenario player characters. Interviews consistently lean towards wanting to be edgy and transgressive in the pursuit of relevance, including wanting to directly involve 9/11 and Middle Eastern strife in the metaplot, wanting to revisit the Shoah and World of Darkness: Gypsies, and folding "the lure of heroic fascism" into their themes for Werewolf. LARP event incidents involving indifference and lack of sympathy to consent issues and anti-harrassment precautions that I'm not entirely read up on myself. Most of it just speaks of a new edition that is a gross rehash of early White Wolf gratuity. It's the Zak S. incident that puts it over to "definitely don't give them any money" in my eyes, right down to reinflaming the harrassment campaign against Olivia Hill. I Am Just a Box fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Apr 25, 2018 |
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The reprint of the book edited by a convicted child abuser put the abuser's name more prominently on the title and didn't even bother with a vague disclaimer or even acknowledgement of his victims, which was just that extra touch of class the whole thing needed.
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So I'm just gonna, hm, not use the world of darkness for this trauma game I'm brainthinking.
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unseenlibrarian posted:The reprint of the book edited by a convicted child abuser put the abuser's name more prominently on the title and didn't even bother with a vague disclaimer or even acknowledgement of his victims, which was just that extra touch of class the whole thing needed. with the additional story about "Full rear end-rape stiffness groinsblood" and what not.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:So I'm just gonna, hm, not use the world of darkness for this trauma game I'm brainthinking. Chronicles of Darkness remains pretty good, Changeling: The Lost is literally a game about surviving trauma and I have only ever heard good things about it. Edit: except Beast obviously
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Joe Slowboat posted:Chronicles of Darkness remains pretty good, Changeling: The Lost is literally a game about surviving trauma and I have only ever heard good things about it. I'm just confused as to how any of these systems relate to each other. Is the 20th anniversary line done? Chronicles? I thought OPP owned the non-larp WW stuff?
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:I'm just confused as to how any of these systems relate to each other. Is the 20th anniversary line done? Chronicles? I thought OPP owned the non-larp WW stuff? Chronicles is what they used to call the "New World of Darkness." It's a different setting, a different system, published by different people, the only thing they have in common is who owns the rights.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:I'm just confused as to how any of these systems relate to each other. Is the 20th anniversary line done? Chronicles? I thought OPP owned the non-larp WW stuff? Onyx Path Publishing owns Scion and the Trinity Continuum. Onyx Path Publishing co-owns Scarred Lands, with Nocturnal Media. Onyx Path Publishing publishes Cavaliers of Mars and Realms of Pugmire. These are creator-owned. White Wolf Entertainment (a.k.a. Martin Dracula's company) owns the World of Darkness, the Chronicles of Darkness, and Exalted. They license the rights to produce roleplaying books for Chronicles of Darkness and Exalted to Onyx Path Publishing, and seem to have no plans to do anything with them otherwise. They license the rights to produce LARP rulebooks for the World of Darkness to By Night Studios. They license the rights to produce 20th Anniversary Edition roleplaying books for the World of Darkness to Onyx Path Publishing. It is unclear how many future books they plan to license, but it appears to include at least two more, World of Darkness: Ghost Hunters and the Wraith 20th supplement Book of Oblivion. No statement has been heard yet of any post-Wraith 20th Anniversary or equivalent lines. They plan to produce the 5th Edition of the World of Darkness themselves, in-house. I don't remember whether They Came From Beneath the Sea! is owned by OPP or creator-owned.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:I'm just confused as to how any of these systems relate to each other. Is the 20th anniversary line done? Chronicles? I thought OPP owned the non-larp WW stuff? Yeah the confusion runs deep and is in some ways deliberate. White wolf many moons ago wrote the "Old" or "Classic" World of Darkness, which were pulpy games like Vampire the Masquerade, Werewolf the Apocalypse, and so forth. White wolf rebooted there games in the early '00s, resulting I the first editions of their modular games such as Vampire the Requiem. Between those times, WW merged with software developer CCP in pursuit of an ill-fated MMO. White wolf gradually moved more and more I to CCP until they were a rubber stamp that okayed the use of the NWOD it's back to the writers. Rich Thomas out together Onyx Path as a tank to pay his freelancers for these works. During the early OPP era we got 2nd edition for Requiem, and the first of the V20 books, which were handled entirely by OPP. Things are a little messier now because CCP sold the WW I intellectual properties to Paradox and they have a guy over there (Ericcson) who is actually interested in publishing under the WW name, and has meddled in some of the 20th stuff since.
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Most of the changes to the 20th anniversary books that have been published seem to be designed to bring them more in line with their vision for 5th Edition. They were not positively received.
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Basic Chunnel posted:A vampire is never truly alone An ashtray, last I checked.
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Basic Chunnel posted:Speaking of, anybody have updates on how the whole “collaboratively established living world” thing is planning out Personally, I'm hoping for card game tournaments to influence the story, so I can make Cock Robin ruler of the Camarilla.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Personally, I'm hoping for card game tournaments to influence the story, so I can make Cock Robin ruler of the Camarilla. Me I can't wait until memes infect the whole thing. All hail Prince Doctor Who.
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Kurieg posted:Most of the changes to the 20th anniversary books that have been published seem to be designed to bring them more in line with their vision for 5th Edition. They were not positively received. The biggest change in lore I noticed was abandoning the subplot that Saulot sired the Baali, did I miss a bunch of something else? I know Celerity is as broken as it's ever been, what else have folks disliked?
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Ferrinus posted:I actually liked how they did generation in the super bare-bones 5e preview pdf thing. It made it take longer for you to start feeling the drawbacks of spending lots of blood, but made those drawbacks worse and harder to pay down by feeding. Yeah, the the Hunger and Generation mechanics were legitimately good seeds of ideas and might be fleshed out into something interesting. Shame about literally everything else, tho. PHIZ KALIFA posted:The biggest change in lore I noticed was abandoning the subplot that Saulot sired the Baali, did I miss a bunch of something else? I know Celerity is as broken as it's ever been, what else have folks disliked? This was like one of the very first substantial things they ever did with their newly acquired toys:  making GBS threads all over a different edition/version by slamming a  NOT CANON sign on it.Contributors to various other products have protested that their experiences haven't been huge or bad. But then with the last(?) WtA book they inserted a bunch of weird anti-abortion and anti-trans poo poo into the Garou Nation for reasons. That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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Don't forget the other Storypath game that's been announced, the title of which escapes me at the moment but is a post-apocalyptic setting or something.
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That Old Tree posted:Yeah, the the Hunger and Generation mechanics were legitimately good seeds of ideas and might be fleshed out into something interesting. Shame about literally everything else, tho. Yeah tying the touchstones into moral degradation is a neat idea, but at the same time I have a hard time describing what makes it different from a Wraith's fetter. That Old Tree posted:This was like one of the very first substantial things they ever did with their newly acquired toys: Yeah oldwolf's bio-essentialism has always been fairly heavy handed, and I had hoped the new editions would move away from that schlock factor. FWIW I had always imagined the 20th re-releases as a "best of the best" collection, even if they aren't completely faithful to the metaplot they just kept making up as they went along. The difference between fma: brotherhood and the original fullmetal alchemist. That's how M20 presented itself, I hadn't realized it was different elsewhere.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:That's how M20 presented itself, I hadn't realized it was different elsewhere. I get the distinct impression that each line gets an amount of Ericsson's attention commensurate with his personal interest in it, despite, again, that these are substantially different games from the ones he's making.
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Kurieg posted:Most of the changes to the 20th anniversary books that have been published seem to be designed to bring them more in line with their vision for 5th Edition. They were not positively received. Just ask the former WtA line developer. Apparently bringing Garou into line with a new 5E meant rampant transphobia and all the Garou becoming hardline pro-lifers. Given what I've heard about the Black Furies, I feel like we can toss misogyny onto the pile too. Racism also remains a possibility. One is dreading seeing what they do with, say, the Wendigo and seeing how noble is their savage.
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Mendrian posted:Looking forward to that Ebony Kingdom remake. There's actually the skeleton of a fairly good one in Beckett, along with an all-new set of South American vampire-type beings, the Drowned Lineages. I continue to be extremely vexed that there isn't more Beckett talk, because that book is so goddamned full of content. It's the same size as Exalted Third Edition and it's all setting stuff, and all good.
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