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Nitrousoxide posted:They've got electricity, so it's in principle possible for them to have developed the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_converter or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark-gap_transmitter on purpose or accident. But yeah, they are likely a few decades too early to have encountered the physical processes that would lead one to develop a theory of relativity Do they know they have electricity? Or do they just know that putting these kinds of metal things here makes stuff go? I find it really hard to analyze the state of “science” in Scadrial since A) it’s disparate between continents and B) can’t tell if god just made a crop circle that said “plug in here” for any of their technology.
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Lawnie posted:Do they know they have electricity? Or do they just know that putting these kinds of metal things here makes stuff go? I find it really hard to analyze the state of “science” in Scadrial since A) it’s disparate between continents and B) can’t tell if god just made a crop circle that said “plug in here” for any of their technology. I'm not sure where you are bookwise, era 2 mistborn in general But yes they talk about electricity constantly, you even see them discover/invent new things as the era 2 timeline goes forward, they are quite obviously like 1910-20s level technology. socialsecurity fucked around with this message at 20:34 on May 12, 2024 |
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You can sort out the (is this even spoilers?) Doppler effect much more easily with sounds, which would definitely have happened previously. They also talk about sound and light distortion with bubbles.
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IN this case the lady Wax is talking with is the person who writes the blurbs in the back of the book about the magic
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Bands of Mourning I'm like 99% sure the Lord Ruler got dusted by Vin in book 1. We saw it after all. I don't know who this airship engineer is talking about that was doing stuff for them, but I'm almost positive it wasn't him. Maybe another Cosmerenaut like that (probable) lady with the braided hair at the party.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Bands of Mourning This is a good question to ask and the answer is: RAFO
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I wish I liked Bands of Mourning more. It probably has some of the funniest moments out of the whole series, but I rank it 3rd for Era 2. Plus, there is a single element of it where Brandon really disappointed me. And I will NEVER forgive him. Around here, it’s fairly well regarded though
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pik_d posted:This is a good question to ask and the answer is: RAFO Ah, judging by the statues of the "Lord Ruler" with a spike through the eye at the entrance to the temple at the top of this mountain, it must be one of his inquisitors. They would be the sort to have access to artifacts of the Lord Ruler and his deep lore and could act like Mistborn and probably could do some compounding too since IIRC they got spikes for both magic types. That would make it possible for them to impersonate him pretty easily I think. Ruin could have also passed on a lot of information about how the magic works that they seemed to be able to impart on these folks too maybe. I don't know how much insight Ruin would have had into how Preservation's power's worked, but it's at least plausible that a shard would have that kind of info. Marsh was still around as of the first book in era 2, so it's plausible there are other inquisitors that survived Harmony's reshaping of the world and thus could have done this whole thing. I don't know why the long con from them though. Seems to me like they could have just used the Bands to try an conquer the world if that was their aim. Edit: Hmm actually, now that I think about it, an inquistor would probably be pretty easy for Harmony to control what with all the spikes in 'em, so then could they really be doing this against his wishes? Is this some convoluted plot from Harmony then? But why would he do that? Nitrousoxide fucked around with this message at 23:44 on May 13, 2024 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:Ah, judging by the statues of the "Lord Ruler" with a spike through the eye at the entrance to the temple at the top of this mountain, it must be one of his inquisitors. They would be the sort to have access to artifacts of the Lord Ruler and his deep lore and could act like Mistborn and probably could do some compounding too since IIRC they got spikes for both magic types. That would make it possible for them to impersonate him pretty easily I think. Ruin could have also passed on a lot of information about how the magic works that they seemed to be able to impart on these folks too maybe. I don't know how much insight Ruin would have had into how Preservation's power's worked, but it's at least plausible that a shard would have that kind of info. I don't recall exactly, but how many spikes were in that statues eyes?
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Lobsterpillar posted:I don't recall exactly, but how many spikes were in that statues eyes? Bands of Mourning One spike. Could be Marsh himself since one spike was pushed into his skill
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Nitrousoxide posted:Bands of Mourning You've definitely seen Marsh with both spikes in the first of the era 2 books.
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socialsecurity posted:You've definitely seen Marsh with both spikes in the first of the era 2 books. Gotta let the user RAFO. We’re borderline serious spoilers.
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Finished Bands of Mourning, Overall I liked it quite a bit. Mr. Suit was calling some of Trell's followers "immortals" so it makes me think it's a similar relationship that the Kandra have to Harmony. And Trell being its own shard might explain why their actions might be a blind spot to Harmony too. I remember there was a roaming shard that was killing off other shards mentioned in the Stormlight Archives and Arcanum Unbounded. I can't remember its name, but I don't think it was Trell? I think it was named something else? If it's not that roaming death Shard then my next best guess is still that it's related to the people who tried to trick the explorers in "Sixth of the Dust" into activating that device to break their prohibition on interference on the world. Though these Trell people seem far less concerned about any bars on less advanced worlds than the people did in that story. If Trell is neither of those then I've not the foggiest idea. It could be an entirely new entity. Ol' one spike can't be Kelsier right? Like he had half his head knocked off by the Lord Ruler, and wasn't a bloodmaker, so there's no way he could have healed that up at the time. I know there's the meme about calling him "the survivor" and all but that just beggars belief for him to have survived losing half his head and having a whole crowd confirm he was dead. Maybe Harmony could have put him back together, but Wax's little interlude after his "death" seemed to indicate that the three parts of you, your body/mind/soul get irreversibly separated pretty soon after death and Sazed's ascension to godhood took places more than a year after Kelsier's death. I mean I guess Harmony could be lying about that, but I don't see why he would. On to "Mistborn: Secret History" now.
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Nitrousoxide posted:On to "Mistborn: Secret History" now. Not that I need to ask, but do pop in and let us know what questions that novella answers, and what questions it raises.
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CapnAndy posted:Nitrous, have you read the Stormlight books? Books 1 and 2. Folks recommended I stop there and do Mistborn era 2 before starting book 3.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Books 1 and 2. Folks recommended I stop there and do Mistborn era 2 before starting book 3.
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CapnAndy posted:Okay then, you know this. Odium is the Shard-killer you’re trying to remember. Ah, yeah, that's the name. Thank you. I'm terrible at remembering them.
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Man, the Secret Histories is kicking rear end. I suppose this answers the question of whether ol' One Spike could plausibly be Kelsier. So far I've gotten to see Khriss, "The Drifter" (presumably Hoid), Fuzz (Preservation), and am currently taking a road trip through the cognitive realm toward the IRE for one last heist. So far this is probably my favorite Mistborn book.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Man, the Secret Histories is kicking rear end. After all your questions from BoM I was really looking forward to you reading secret history, glad to see you are enjoying your answers
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After the tickets sold out in less than an hour for the convention, some fans who got flights in advance were upwet. Apparently the venue wom't grant more tickets, but brandon had personal tickets reserved for his friends and family which are being repurposed for those fans. Dude knows how to make fans happy.
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Mordiceius posted:UNITE THEM The rest of the thread waiting for you to get here: 
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Ojjeorago posted:The rest of the thread waiting for you to get here:
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Nitrousoxide posted:Man, the Secret Histories is kicking rear end. Don't forget to go back and review your other recent questions when you're done, too.
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Mordiceius posted:UNITE THEM it's so good
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stramit posted:it's so good Dalinar shouting "YOU CANNOT HAVE MY PAIN" while grabbing the cognitive and spiritual realms and slamming them together to create a perpendicularity might be one of the most hype things I've ever experienced in a book. Also, I feel like Oathbringer part 5 is a triumph in recontextualizing and giving new meaning to statements previously. I had to stop at the next chapter because the audiobook chapter is two hours long and I don't have the time or energy to get through that at this moment.
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Mordiceius posted:UNITE THEM About time you got there. Oathbringer is my favorite Brando Sando work, by far!
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Mordiceius posted:Dalinar shouting "YOU CANNOT HAVE MY PAIN" while grabbing the cognitive and spiritual realms and slamming them together to create a perpendicularity might be one of the most hype things I've ever experienced in a book. I audibly said, "HOLY poo poo" when I read that.
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Finished Secret Histories. Re: My recent questions and suppositions: Ol' One Spike could be Spooks or Kelsier, though I'm betting that the begger who gave Wax the metalmind coin was Spooks. With enough spikes to experiment with and some compounding he could be effectively immortal like the Lord Ruler. Though 3 spikes might be the extent of what he can do if he doesn't want Harmony to be able to control him, like Mr. Suit feared. One Spike is probably Kelsier somehow returned to the physical world, though how he got a new body I don't know. He seemed to think that Harmony was lying at least when he said that it was impossible. I don't know what One Spike was planning with the bands of mourning, or why he made that temple on the top of the mountain. The pits being broken had cut off Scadrial from the rest of the Cosmere, at least in the physical realm. The Drifter complained about trade being cut off. Though it seems it's been reconnected since Harmony arose as the braided hair lady at the party Wax met was probably Khriss in the physical realm, not just the cognitive realm. You can apparently walk from world to world in the cognitive world, though only enter the physical realms on each world through discrete portals of sorts. I presume areas of concentrated investiture like The Pits. "The Drifter" (presumably Hoid) apparently has a paddle boat of sorts that lets him pass between realms, even if otherwise cut off like Scadrial was. Kelsier's transition to an entity entirely of the cognative realm is apparently not unheard of, as Khriss and her company recognized what had happened to him and complained that it wasn't done in the proper way. Makes me wonder if the Spren were once similarly humans. The Ire were under the auspice of the Devotion shard apparently, since they swore using its name. That would put them in the Selish system according to Arcanum Unbounded. So the same world as Elantris and Emperor's Soul.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Finished Secret Histories. If you are post Bands of Mourning and Secret History, you should have details to a lot of this stuff. Here are some of those details for clarifications purposes: "Ol' One Spike" is Kelsier. Even before Secret History, this is outlined in the Bands of Mourning epilogue. Kelsier feels the spike over his eye and then looks down at his arms covered in scars. The Beggar is Hoid. The Driver is also Hoid. The Ire are indeed Elantrians
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Mordiceius posted:If you are post Bands of Mourning and Secret History, you should have details to a lot of this stuff. Here are some of those details for clarifications purposes:
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Oathbringer Part 5 was everything I wanted this series to be as far as the 'small moments leading to big payoffs at the end'. Peak Sanderlanche. Probably the most similar to a Wheel of Time book in that regard. Extremely minor WoT spoilers - The battle at the end very much felt like the Last Battle chapter of WoT with the 1v1 moments happening while others fight the ultimate evil and others fend off the hoards and it was just perfect for my tastes. Love that feeling of controlled chaos. Nice to be immersed in a story where there is a plan for a satisfying conclusion. Had the highest highs and the lowest lows of the three books for me so far. Obviously, the ending ruled but I really was not feeling the Shadesmar section. Really felt like killing time in a way the story has not done before - all the 'nothing happens' scenes prior to that felt like they inched the plot along. Maybe it's recontextualized for me with further information, who knows. 81sidewinder posted:Predictions after WoK 81sidewinder posted:Finished WoR Thoughts about these theories after Oathbringer - 1. The Knights Radiant plot went faster than I thought, really don't know where we go in book four - the big showdown seems like our obvious book five plot, but not sure what twist is coming in RoW 2. Coward Brandon didn't do the throuple, sadly. The love triangle really ran out of steam for me, and the Shadesmar scenes didn't have the juice that we had from when Kaladin and Shallan were in the chasm during Words of Radiance. Glad we got a definitive next step in this storyline with the marriage. 3. The Assassins in White rules, and I'm excited for more background on him. I predict he will continue to be a badass and show up at just the right moments to save the day or raise some kind of hell. 4. The Dallinar flashbacks were probably the best of the three, his had the most relevance to both his personal growth and also moving the plot forward. 5.Elhokar lasted a lot longer than I thought, and we seemingly end up with King Dalinar anyway. Elhokar death was a blockbuster moment, one of my favorite of this book. Predictions for 4 and 5 lol, no clue where we go from here. I don't know how book 4 fits into the narrative arc here, because it's really kind of time to rally the troops, get some background and have the final showdown. The stakes are already so high, I just don't know what we do between this moment and the 'final' showdown in 5. Oathbringer almost had too much happen, lol. We will absolutely get some D and D manual stuff about how everyone's powers work that I'm not super excited about. Kaladin is immortal and is the only one who lives through all the battles for the next phase in book 6 Seriously though - 1. Fleshing out the Parshendi makes sense, getting more info on their world before humans arrived. 2. Book four is mostly about Dalinar trying to rally all the nations together and hitting roadblocks 3. Taravangian finally makes a selfless choice to help the heroes 4. Lift backstory about her mystery feels eminent too. How is she perpetually a kid? 5. Anyone that isn't Kaladin feels like they could be gone by the end of book five, and I think we have a major death in book 4 to get the heroes on the back foot going into that final showdown
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Mordiceius posted:I'm almost done with Oathbringer (just finished the 2 hour chapter, will probably try to wrap up the other to chapters tonight). Hopefully get my thoughts written up tomorrow. Ahh dang that’s a big surprise that’s been spoiled.
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