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woozle wuzzle posted:I daydreamed today about a world where student loans were dischargable in bankruptcy. I too dream of this day. I would retire after a year.
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HiddenReplaced posted:Why don't you guys have a kitchen/breakroom with a microwave on each floor? This sounds like a ridiculous efficiency sink. The time you spend in a single week traversing down to the cafeteria to heat something up would easily cover the costs of a loving microwave on your floor. Mostly awesome. Catered food...
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May 24, 2012 05:52
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Solid Lizzie posted:This sounds both awesome and depressing. If it's anything like the catered food we get, half the time you'll wind up ignoring it because it's not good or it doesn't fit your mood/diet/whatever. edit: We don't get catered food every day, but department meetings and on-site CLE get catered food. Kalman fucked around with this message at 13:41 on May 24, 2012 |
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May 24, 2012 06:26
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woozle wuzzle posted:I daydreamed today about a world where student loans were dischargable in bankruptcy.
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May 24, 2012 13:39
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10-8 posted:Let's say that Congress gets replaced by liberal cyborgs and this actually happens. What would be the consequences to one's bar admission if you filed bankruptcy. Could the bar take action against you on the grounds that you weren't financially sound? I know that's one of the things that can ding you when you're first applying for admission. Do bars take action against people for personal bankruptcy under current law?
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May 24, 2012 13:40
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Kalman posted:Do bars take action against people for personal bankruptcy under current law? Not necessarily. However, being in financial distress and not having taken some steps to make a payment plan, etc. etc., is one of the factors Georgia, at least, considers. The rationale was basically "are you about to start stealing from your clients since you can't stay afloat any other way?"
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May 24, 2012 14:04
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I don't know about bankruptcy but, http://www.thestar.com/news/article/969073--would-be-lawyer-rejected-by-ontario-s-law-society-for-poor-character quote:Ryan Manilla was a terrible neighbor, but does that mean he can’t be a good lawyer? Zarkov Cortez fucked around with this message at 14:13 on May 24, 2012 |
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May 24, 2012 14:06
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Sounds like a zealous advocate to me.
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May 24, 2012 14:15
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Kalman posted:Do bars take action against people for personal bankruptcy under current law? I think in New York someone was rejected due to his $500,000 in student loans that he refused to pay.
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May 24, 2012 14:46
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10-8 posted:Let's say that Congress gets replaced by liberal cyborgs and this actually happens. What would be the consequences to one's bar admission if you filed bankruptcy. Could the bar take action against you on the grounds that you weren't financially sound? I know that's one of the things that can ding you when you're first applying for admission. Easy Peasy. You get admitted while still in deferment, just like you would now. And then immediately file bankruptcy. But even if you filed before admission, I don't see how it could be a problem. You can't get much more "financially sound" than the debt-free status of some one just after a bankruptcy discharge.
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May 24, 2012 15:06
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10-8 posted:Let's say that Congress gets replaced by liberal cyborgs and this actually happens. What would be the consequences to one's bar admission if you filed bankruptcy. Could the bar take action against you on the grounds that you weren't financially sound? I know that's one of the things that can ding you when you're first applying for admission.
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May 24, 2012 15:07
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Talking about forging letters, this guy was disbarred rather than refused in the first place but it's an amusing story: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9146307/Barrister-struck-off-over-claim-that-senior-law-lord-had-him-kidnapped.html
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May 24, 2012 17:44
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dos4gw posted:Talking about forging letters, this guy was disbarred rather than refused in the first place but it's an amusing story: Man that guy is crazy but his client sounds like kind of an idiot as well.
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May 24, 2012 17:56
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Harry posted:I think in New York someone was rejected due to his $500,000 in student loans that he refused to pay. Yeah but this guy also never made a single payment or paid a dime.
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May 24, 2012 18:21
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Roger_Mudd posted:Yeah but this guy also never made a single payment or paid a dime.
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May 25, 2012 01:41
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They just said rejected  Once yer in, yer in as far as bankruptcy is concerned I would imagine. As has been said, I think it's less about having debt and paying it, and more about being vulnerable. For example, a lot of military people file bankruptcy because they're not allowed to be vulnerable to collection agencies that could disrupt their lifestyle with lawsuits. An attorney in a HUGE financial hole might be desperate and fall to temptation.
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May 25, 2012 03:17
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woozle wuzzle posted:They just said rejected Clearly, then, the answer is to deny admission to people with overly large student loahahahaha
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May 25, 2012 09:48
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evilweasel posted:Such a thing exists? We don't have anything like it. By the way, if you are curious as to the types of products I was talking about, here are a couple of examples: http://store.westlaw.com/business-law/deal-proof/default.aspx http://www.lexicontools.com/index.php
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May 25, 2012 13:49
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SlyFrog posted:By the way, if you are curious as to the types of products I was talking about, here are a couple of examples:
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May 25, 2012 14:33
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Quentin Tarantino presents: Deal Proof "But have billables to meet, and files to close before I sleep" Mons Hubris fucked around with this message at 15:56 on May 25, 2012 |
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May 25, 2012 15:28
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Mons Hubris posted:Quentin Tarantino presents: Deal Proof Two straight hours of snappy conversation while a camera circles the meeting room table.
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May 25, 2012 15:39
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10-8 posted:So really the lesson here is to get admitted first, then spend a year or two making token efforts to pay, then declare bankruptcy. That's correct except for waiting a year or two to make token payments. Why make token payments when your credit is only checked before you are admitted? Once you're in they don't check your credit anymore because you are in the club. Might as well file that Chapter 7 the day after you're sworn in.
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May 25, 2012 15:58
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blar posted:That's correct except for waiting a year or two to make token payments. Why make token payments when your credit is only checked before you are admitted? Once you're in they don't check your credit anymore because you are in the club. Might as well file that Chapter 7 the day after you're sworn in. It can still be a character issue issue to the bar. I've seen attorneys declare bankruptcy due to divorce and come out fine.
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May 25, 2012 17:21
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Roger_Mudd posted:It can still be a character issue issue to the bar. Hey broseph, When you get Nolo leads, do you find it's more effective to e-mail or call? They signed me up too 
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May 25, 2012 17:33
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CaptainScraps posted:Hey broseph, I always call.
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May 25, 2012 18:59
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Not only am I on call so I can't drink, but I'm spending all holiday working up a hugely complicated trial that got dumped on me at the last second. Goddammit. It's 9:00 on Saturday night and I just got home. State workers should not go through with this poo poo. Especially sober state workers.
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May 27, 2012 06:12
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BigHead posted:Not only am I on call so I can't drink, but I'm spending all holiday working up a hugely complicated trial that got dumped on me at the last second. Goddammit. It's 9:00 on Saturday night and I just got home. State workers should not go through with this poo poo. Especially sober state workers. I spent eight hours at work yesterday dealing with the new bond court, I'm posting this message at eight am from work because I'm also working a full day today, and I was originally assigned to work monday, too, just to complete the ruination of my ”long weekend”. That's not including the appellate briefs I have to write in my own time outside of work, and the large piles of trial work building up on my desk.
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May 27, 2012 13:59
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Agesilaus posted:I spent eight hours at work yesterday dealing with the new bond court, I'm posting this message at eight am from work because I'm also working a full day today, and I was originally assigned to work monday, too, just to complete the ruination of my ”long weekend”. That's not including the appellate briefs I have to write in my own time outside of work, and the large piles of trial work building up on my desk. Solo for life.
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May 27, 2012 16:37
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I'm emailing the judge something like every day of this vacation but to be honest its more to look diligent than anything, like I could have just knocked all of this out on one day but I thought this would look better. God I'm a douche. Also due to the magic of outlook read receipts I can tell he hasn't opened any of them and probably won't till Tuesday.
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May 27, 2012 17:43
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I am doing precisely jack poo poo for 3 days. Suck it. Prosecutors, this is karma for putting people in jail.
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May 27, 2012 21:42
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Urgh, had some wonderful people today. One apparently had the bright idea of peeing on a months-old baby after violently raping the mother.  nm posted:I am doing precisely jack poo poo for 3 days. Yeah, we need to stop hearing about overworked and underpaid PDs when, at least around here, they get paid more to do less.
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May 27, 2012 22:29
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Rest assured my DAs are also taking the weekend off. My court has me, 2 DAs, no private attorneys, and only a couple of conflicts a week. So, do the math. I like our DAs though, which is kind of cool. I'm also the unofficial writs guy. DAs and PDs all get paid the same though, which means we're all underpaid. Though one of the DAs has a hemi cuda and a 60 something camaro, so he seems to do ok. You really need a union. -Drinking Pliny the Elder.
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May 27, 2012 22:43
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I feel like we should have a separate thread so all you public sector poor people can slapfight about who does and doesn't work harder, who does and doesn't put more brown people in jail/keep more rapists out of jail, and share your hot tips about the latest awesome buy-one-get-one sale at the Men's Wearhouse
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Soothing Vapors posted:I feel like we should have a separate thread so all you public sector poor people can slapfight about who does and doesn't work harder, who does and doesn't put more brown people in jail/keep more rapists out of jail, and share your hot tips about the latest awesome buy-one-get-one sale at the Men's Wearhouse My suits are bespoke or M2M (vested, goddammit), and the shoes are Allen Edmonds or better. I do wear Nordstrom shirts though, I'm not sure if that is good enough? -Suck my pension. edit: I'd actually note that most prosecutors don't wear men's wearhouse either, but off the rack seems more common. Men's Warehouse is for private defense attorneys. We have to wear suits every day, poor wearing and poor fitting suits don't work. nm fucked around with this message at 06:41 on May 28, 2012 |
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May 28, 2012 02:43
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Soothing Vapors posted:I feel like we should have a separate thread so all you public sector poor people can slapfight about who does and doesn't work harder, who does and doesn't put more brown people in jail/keep more rapists out of jail, and share your hot tips about the latest awesome buy-one-get-one sale at the Men's Wearhouse We do need a separate thread, but it's to differentiate gentlemen and the low class creatures of money who work for whoever fills out their pay cheque on a given date. Do you feel a glove up your arse when you parrot whatever your client wants to say? Can't wait until the public sector realise they have all the guns and prisons, and put you filth under the yoke.
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May 28, 2012 06:33
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Now where'd I put my monocle.....
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May 28, 2012 08:34
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Agesilaus posted:Do you feel a glove up your arse when you parrot whatever your client wants to say? On a serious note I've seen this happen in a private criminal defense context more than once at this point, and it must be absolutely infuriating to the defense attorney. Usually it's an angry client demanding that something be brought up at trial that's prejudicial (to the defendant) and that we weren't planning on bringing up anyway (because it's very prejudicial and not really relevant.) This is usually brought on by the defendant loudly insisting that the jury "hear the whole story." I can't imagine how enraging it is as a defense attorney to see your carefully constructed defense collapse because of a client's self-destructive decisions. It was uncomfortable for me to watch and I was the guy prosecuting the case.
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May 28, 2012 12:52
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prussian advisor posted:On a serious note I've seen this happen in a private criminal defense context more than once at this point, and it must be absolutely infuriating to the defense attorney. Usually it's an angry client demanding that something be brought up at trial that's prejudicial (to the defendant) and that we weren't planning on bringing up anyway (because it's very prejudicial and not really relevant.) This is usually brought on by the defendant loudly insisting that the jury "hear the whole story." I find that saying "sure client, just sign and date this letter saying that I advised you not to do this because, while it is your Constitutional right to testify, it's such a bad idea here that it would be malpractice not to beg you to shut up and I want to have some record to protect me when you lose" does the trick.
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TheAttackSlug posted:I find that saying "sure client, just sign and date this letter saying that I advised you not to do this because, while it is your Constitutional right to testify, it's such a bad idea here that it would be malpractice not to beg you to shut up and I want to have some record to protect me when you lose" does the trick. Yeah I think that's the answer. Getting them to indorse the brief with a nice big signature under the words, "despite advice to the contrary from my legal adviser, which has been explained to me and which i have fully understood, i nevertheless intend to [insert whatever stupid loving thing it is here]" either dissaudes them or covers your arse pretty well.
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prussian advisor posted:On a serious note I've seen this happen in a private criminal defense context more than once at this point, and it must be absolutely infuriating to the defense attorney. Usually it's an angry client demanding that something be brought up at trial that's prejudicial (to the defendant) and that we weren't planning on bringing up anyway (because it's very prejudicial and not really relevant.) This is usually brought on by the defendant loudly insisting that the jury "hear the whole story." And if that makes him unhappy, his rear end can go pro per. Admittedly, that might be harder when the client is signing the checks. That is the problem with being a low end private criminal defense attorney I guess. Everything is client control. Too many lawyers think they can just do whatever without discusing things with the client. Treating them like human beings is a good first step. And if your client is in jail, go meet them there, not in court. Friday I spent over half the day speaking to incustodies. Those clients will ow basically do anything I ask them to (in terms of their case.)
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