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Wow. Just listened to the Stormfront show. Their web streaming wasn't working, but they had a phone number you could call to listen. Holy poo poo. First off the guy does the show over the phone which is just lovely, but after a few minutes of talking about world war I and world war II, went off on a rant about how its illegal to question the holocaust in Germany and how "many historians" believe that the gas chambers were for de-lousing and that Zyklon B can't kill people in any efficient way. Then he got a call from "Anti-white Dave", who asked why Jews were considered seperate from white people. The host went on to to claim that Israel is a racist country and discriminates against palestinians and bombs their homes (broken clock ect ect), but then lamented why the the double standard of them being "allowed" to be racist and "look out for their own interests" but not white people. Then he went on to say that they control hollywood and the media. Fantastic.
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Yeah, it was pretty surreal stumbling upon that show when I first tried listening to AM radio so I could listen to some of my favorite kooky conservatives. We did have some pretty horrible trash on the station in Austin that airs Alex Jones. I can't really remember much of who I used to listen to, but there was this one dude named Texe Marrs that's completely insane as well as an unrepentant antisemite. Jones gets a lot of flak for not naming the Jews, but I definitely remember him shilling for Texe Marrs back in the day.. Just look at his site and see for yourself... http://www.texemarrs.com/ Having the Stormfront guys on a local broadcast is interesting, though, since they're minor celebrities and all. I can't really tell whose voice I'm listening to on that show. I know Don Black's voice since I've seen him interviewed on video before, but I'm not sure whether the guy with the southern twang is his son. I saw this interesting little article on his son the other day: https://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/12/18/derek-black-have-stormfront-founders-sons-politics-changed/ turnip kid fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Dec 26, 2012 |
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ReindeerF posted:On a separate note, Yasha Levine just posted this, which is a good breakdown of a right wing smear with email evidence [early summary excerpted below]: Meanwhile, in other hilarious right-wing messaging antics: FreedomWorks Nearly Falls Apart in Fight Between Old and New Guard Washington Post posted:The day after Labor Day, just as campaign season was entering its final frenzy, FreedomWorks, the Washington-based tea party organization, went into free fall. v v v Whoops, thank you. v v v Coriolis fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Dec 26, 2012 |
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Dec 26, 2012 18:56
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Your link is broken, but lest anyone think that it wasn't real: http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...7532_story.html Honestly, I didn't believe it until I read it myself. Holy poo poo. Shine on, you crazy diamonds.
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Classic  framingquote:With six days remaining, lawmakers and President Obama face tough decisions on how to craft legislation that can muster enough votes to avoid looming tax hikes. Because the fiscal cliff doesn't also involve spending cuts in order to reduce the DEBT and DEFICIT
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ReindeerF posted:Yeah, I started to tag it with "Please don't reply saying that it's not surprising and that the evidence won't sway anyone," because I'm not posting it here in anticipation that anyone who reads this forum will be surprised or use the evidence to try to sway anyone. It's just an interesting glimpse into the nuts and bolts reality of something you previously presumed, which is always useful in figuring out how poo poo works in reality as opposed to in our suspicious minds. It's like we're caught in a trap and we can't get out. Ha, of course. It's still worth reading and I'm glad you posted it. It really is terrifying how efficient and coordinated the conservative messaging machine is.
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I just wish Alex Jones would stop playing music I like on his drat show. The other day he played The Doors and it made me angrier than most of the stuff he says.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Hey me too! Where was this anyway? Doesn't sound like here.
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McDowell posted:Classic When Boehner had left Washington for the Holiday after he lost Plan B, Fox News' Headline was actually "Obama still optimistic for solution to fiscal cliff - but first, vacation!"
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Gozinbulx posted:The host went on to to claim that Israel is a racist country and discriminates against palestinians and bombs their homes (broken clock ect ect)... Wow, we know our political parties are hosed when the racist Neo-Nazis are more willing to point out racism than they are. 
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Gozinbulx posted:Wow. Just listened to the Stormfront show. Their web streaming wasn't working, but they had a phone number you could call to listen. Holy poo poo. First off the guy does the show over the phone which is just lovely, but after a few minutes of talking about world war I and world war II, went off on a rant about how its illegal to question the holocaust in Germany and how "many historians" believe that the gas chambers were for de-lousing and that Zyklon B can't kill people in any efficient way. Then he got a call from "Anti-white Dave", who asked why Jews were considered seperate from white people. The host went on to to claim that Israel is a racist country and discriminates against palestinians and bombs their homes (broken clock ect ect), but then lamented why the the double standard of them being "allowed" to be racist and "look out for their own interests" but not white people. Then he went on to say that they control hollywood and the media. That reminds me: did anybody here even listen to the Hal Turner radio show or follow his hilarity as he was trolled by the likes of 4chan? Turner is in jail now for having threatened the lives of a few federal judges.
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Coriolis posted:Meanwhile, in other hilarious right-wing messaging antics: FreedomWorks Nearly Falls Apart in Fight Between Old and New Guard
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Crasscrab posted:That reminds me: did anybody here even listen to the Hal Turner radio show or follow his hilarity as he was trolled by the likes of 4chan? Turner is in jail now for having threatened the lives of a few federal judges. Isn't he the guy who was working as an FBI informer? As I remember he would encourage listeners to take up arms against the government and then if anyone contacted him agreeing with his views he would immediately report them to the FBI. Makes me wonder if they all do it. VV Thank you. He's out now. Released in October. Twisted Perspective fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Dec 27, 2012 |
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Yeah, he was a paid FBI informant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner#FBI_Informant Twisted Perspective posted:VV Thank you. He's out now. Released in October. Yeah, but he's hosed for life. Filed for bankruptcy and his wife divorced him.  Have fun there, bud!
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Dec 27, 2012 04:59
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ReindeerF posted:Yeah, caught this one last night here. What struck me about it is what great evidence it is for just how completely out of control the culture of the political consultant is. At its root, that story is about one thing: two political consultants fighting over control of their consultancy and one of them getting a big payoff to leave without a stink. It's a corporate standoff, basically. Of course all the details about guns and Armey being a moron (big surprise) and the rich guy stepping in for the payoff are salacious, but to me it's just fascinating how absurd American politics is when a political consultant gets an $8,000,000 payoff to shut up and walk away after what amounts to a failed hostile takeover. You know, meanwhile, we don't have a few million dollars for this or that social program because the government is just too wasteful.
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Hey, have you've ever wondered how billionaires and right-wing "journalists" get together to make hard hitting fake poo poo up? Here's an interesting article about a bunch of leaked emails, first mentioned poorly by buzzfeed, by Yasha Levine at NSFWCorp. For those who don't feel like reading it, various billionaires like the Koch Brothers and Foster Friess get personally involved in concocting schemes that are basically elaborate cases of voting fraud, the most successful being the smear attack on ACORN that has been proven to be false in almost all cases, in fact they immediately gave up the raw tapes in order not to be prosecuted.
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Dec 28, 2012 10:56
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Has this been posted?quote:A Casey County man says the life-sized mannequin in his front yard of President Obama holding a slice of watermelon was meant as a joke and not a racist display.
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Dec 28, 2012 15:10
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Lightning Knight posted:Wow, we know our political parties are hosed when the racist Neo-Nazis are more willing to point out racism than they are. That's a common trope with the more recent brand of white supremacist forums and websites, though. They'll use any ammunition against jews and Israel as well as their other pet hated ethnicities, and don't really care much about the source. I remember some years ago seeing a David Duke-sponsored organization festooned with excerpts from Robert Fisk articles on the whole Middle East/Palestine issue as a way of proving the innate vileness of the common jew, which would likely vex Fisk a fair bit if he knew about it. They're also all gung-ho about Russia these days for some reason. Who cares that slavs were seen as subhuman scum by the actual nazis, or the Cold War? It's all forgiven if you're pasty enough!
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The thing about that is the white supremacists refuse to separate Israel from the Jewish people as a whole. There are plenty of Jews that are staunchly against Israel's conduct towards the Palestinians, and to a lesser extent, against the existence of Israel as a state. To say all Jews the world over support Israel is the same as saying all people of German descent supported the Nazi regime. The reason why they're so supportive of neo-Nazis in Russia is because that's where they have the greatest likelihood of being able to come to power. The fall of communism and subsequent rice of capitalism has not been kind to Russia socio-economically. There's a large portion of the population that blames many of their problems on the Asiatic peoples of the Russian Federation, themselves in even worse economic conditions than those Russians living in the western portion of the nation. It's also worth noting that the concept of "racial purity" has a tendency to degrade the more marginalized racial supremacy groups are. When the KKK was first formed they were just as prejudice against the Irish as they were against blacks. Today they happily welcome people of Irish heritage into their dwindling ranks. Funny how these things work. Darkman Fanpage fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Dec 28, 2012 |
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You can tell we're a post-racial country because, when confronted, pudgy white suburban racists all pretend it's a coincidence. The guy in Austin with the lynched chair (post GOP convention) tried the same thing. Racism is pretty much over, so grab your socks and hose and pull.
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"Oh gee the black president holding watermelon that I put by the road looks RACIST to you? Wow I had no idea!"~A legitimate defense.
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Glitterbomber posted:"Oh gee the black president holding watermelon that I put by the road looks RACIST to you? Wow I had no idea!"~A legitimate defense. "It wasn't racist and if you thought it was racist then that's because you're the real racist here!"
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Zeroisanumber posted:"It wasn't racist and if you thought it was racist then that's because you're the real racist here!" In situations like that I think it's better to pretend you're giving him the benefit of the doubt and politely inform him about the racial implications of his choice of lawn decoration as if he really was innocently ignorant of it. They want to you to call them racist so I say don't give them what they want.
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Republicans posted:In situations like that I think it's better to pretend you're giving him the benefit of the doubt and politely inform him about the racial implications of his choice of lawn decoration as if he really was innocently ignorant of it. They want to you to call them racist so I say don't give them what they want. "Why are you so obsessed with race?" 
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Unless you hate black people specifically for the color of their skin, you are not racist. You can go onstage at the Republican primaries and make a speech about how black people are lazy, but since you didn't hate the color of their skin itself, you aren't racist nowadays.
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quote:"This was two weeks after there had been a shooting at the Family Research Council", said one junior staff member who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media. "So when a man with a gun who didn't identify himself to me or other people on staff, and a woman I'd never seen before said there was an announcement, my first gut was, Is FreedomWorks in danger? It was bizarre." Fuggin hippie. It's just a gun! They ain't never hurt anyone and they don't mean anything! I grew up in rural Mississippi. The Klan would have a yearly parade down town, up until about 10 or so years ago. They quit wearing their robes several years before they quit the parade all together.
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Republicans posted:In situations like that I think it's better to pretend you're giving him the benefit of the doubt and politely inform him about the racial implications of his choice of lawn decoration as if he really was innocently ignorant of it. They want to you to call them racist so I say don't give them what they want. But they want you to call them racist so they can turn it around on you, so that next time you'll be afraid of calling them racist. You're playing right into their hands.
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The correct response imo is to put up a bill board across the road that says "Minorities will outnumber white people in the US by 20*whatever*" with a ticking down clock and the tag line "Got enough lawn space for their future Presidents?" Equip it with a CCTV and sue the gently caress out of him when he defaces it.
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:Fuggin hippie. It's just a gun! They ain't never hurt anyone and they don't mean anything! There was more to that fiasco than told, it's not as bad as people think. The guy with the gun was Armey's former security detail when he was speaker of the house and is a retired Capitol Police officer. The leadership and many at Freedom Works knew who he was and that he carries a gun. They told some staff that he had a gun, but neglected to inform them who he was and that he is security. Washington Post and other places took quotes from the confused people and used it to make the situation seem crazy as hell. This was confirmed by Joan Walsh of Salon, David Corn of Mother Jones, and Armey himself. You can still call it creepy, but it's not nearly the mound of crazy some places tried to make it out to be.
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beatlegs posted:But they want you to call them racist so they can turn it around on you, so that next time you'll be afraid of calling them racist. You're playing right into their hands. It's not being afraid of calling them a racist so much as accepting it as a given and recognizing you won't get anywhere with these people if you make that the point of argument.
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This article is terrible, but goddamn it might have my favorite title of any pundit screed ever written. Smoke Pot, Ban Guns, Kill Kids It's like when reality and parodies from the political cartoons thread merge.
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quote:Just look across the pond at countries like the UK and Norway that recently passed gun ownership restrictions. Within those countries, the number of mass shootings has escalated because no one had any way to stop the offender. hahahaha go gently caress yourself 'Scottie Hughes'
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John Charity Spring posted:hahahaha go gently caress yourself 'Scottie Hughes' I really feel like "My maid's son deliberately murdered my six year old brother with a rifle and we decided to keep it secret" is not exactly something you present as the "preferable" course of action. Also lol "The Rusty Humphries Show." Never before has one man been so clearly named after a fake sex act.
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Kiwi Bigtree posted:This article is terrible, but goddamn it might have my favorite title of any pundit screed ever written. Holy poo poo this is an unreadable rambling of a nutjob. So Newsweek isn't going to be published anymore, and for the life of me I can't find a reason to give a poo poo. I will however possibly miss their terrible opinion columnists, like David Frum. The perils of legalizing pot 
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Crasscrab posted:Holy poo poo this is an unreadable rambling of a nutjob. "Habitual marijuana users experience more difficulty with learning and schooling. They do worse at work, miss more workdays, and suffer more accidents. They have fewer friends and occupy lower rungs on the socioeconomic ladder." [citation needed] David Frum is such a dork.
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Fandyien posted:"Habitual marijuana users experience more difficulty with learning and schooling. They do worse at work, miss more workdays, and suffer more accidents. They have fewer friends and occupy lower rungs on the socioeconomic ladder." Yeah, this guy is just going off his gut feeling, I smoke weed everyday, have tons of friends(most of whom do not smoke) and am getting my doctorate on a free ride assistant ship I won. It's just pure "I feel like this is true" bullshit.
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Fandyien posted:"Habitual marijuana users experience more difficulty with learning and schooling. They do worse at work, miss more workdays, and suffer more accidents. They have fewer friends and occupy lower rungs on the socioeconomic ladder." The best part of all this is that, while it is true that prolonged THC use can have detrimental effects (based on a few studies), it pales in comparison to the effects alcohol has. I was reading a letter in the paper lamenting the fact that we didn't care about all the poor undiagnosed schizophrenics who might start smoking pot if we legalized pot formally (  ). Which is a) hilarious because apparently she thinks putting them in prison would help these undiagnosed, hoped-up schizophrenics, and b) getting drunk doesn't do wonders for them either. But no one will ever discuss the problems with alcohol the way they discuss the problems with marijuana.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Not really related to right-wing media except as far as the mindset that they bore into peoples' heads is prevalent on every level of thought, but I was reading a message board for Borderlands 2 earlier and somebody was complaining about how the game had clear liberal bias by having a male character that mentions his past male lovers in some dialogues. It's like a liberal saying the game has a conservative bias because it's all about collecting guns and overthrowing a ruling despot. Absolutely insane. It's pretty funny that he'd blithely cruise past all the anti-corporate stuff just to lose his poo poo over a(n awesome) gay dude. Some of these guys draw their lines in weird places.
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Warchicken posted:Yeah, this guy is just going off his gut feeling, I smoke weed everyday, have tons of friends(most of whom do not smoke) and am getting my doctorate on a free ride assistant ship I won. It's just pure "I feel like this is true" bullshit. I agree he's just going off his gut feeling and some dumb truisms, but the problem with the association between weed smoking and useless stoners is that there's often a serious correlation there. Obviously it's not a causal relationship but most people don't recognize that, at least openly. I'm not sure exactly why that is but I think it has a lot to do with A.) Excessive use totally does sap willpower for a lot of people, and so full-time potheads are usually pretty bad examples of the ideal of "successful, normal people engaging in moderate use" B.)The media portrayal of weed, which I think is largely soft and not antagonistic, but also not entirely positive, particularly re: lifestyle. and C.)Pretty much anyone who does harder drugs smokes pot regularly. So, for people who just smoke, the dividing line between "junkie" and "stoner" is clear and bright, but for non-drug users it's easier to assume that marijuana use = harder drug use. It seems like these factors combined with an atavistic dislike for hippies and the things associated with them will keep it hard for doctrinaire republicans to openly support legal/moderate marijuana useage openly despite the issue enjoying bipartisan support. All that being said I'm also a daily smoker but it took me a long time to learn to balance legitimacy with getting high, and as I've learned those skills, I've noticed most of the people I've smoked with for years never really try to do that and sort of end up circling the runway of life perpetually. Out of all my stoner friends from high school / early college, I'm the only one in college that still smokes regularly. colonelslime posted:The best part of all this is that, while it is true that prolonged THC use can have detrimental effects (based on a few studies), it pales in comparison to the effects alcohol has. I was reading a letter in the paper lamenting the fact that we didn't care about all the poor undiagnosed schizophrenics who might start smoking pot if we legalized pot formally ( I think there's a major perception problem with marijuana because of the culture associated with it. Alcohol has a distinguished history of variety and cultural significance that reefer totally lacks. My dad is a mega liberal guy who used to get high in the '60s and he doesn't think irregular weed smoking is really acceptable because there's no "excuse" like with beer and flavor or whatever. That isn't even getting into the proliferation of stoner movies and how spectacularly stupid they usually are, which really doesn't help with mitigating social stigma or making legalization more palatable. Most non-smokers I know admit alcohol is physically and mentally more harmful to individuals and, on aggregate, worse for society but they're really reticent to endorse weed because they associate with shiftless dumbasses and Paulites. [ed] This post was way longer then I initially wanted but I also wanna add that while I smoke a lot and care about legalization as an issue, it's tertiary for me at best and I would never vote based on weed alone, but way too many people will and I think that also hurts the cause on the left some, basically because libertarians. Frog Act fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Dec 29, 2012 |
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Fandyien posted:"Habitual marijuana users experience more difficulty with learning and schooling. They do worse at work, miss more workdays, and suffer more accidents. They have fewer friends and occupy lower rungs on the socioeconomic ladder." The funny thing is, no matter how difficult it becomes for you to learn, would you ever amass a record of pure wrongness as impressive as that of David Frum? He must have been smoking some kind of super-pot during the Bush years.
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