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facialimpediment posted:I mean, other than the Destroyer's Captain who probably won't be Captain much longer Well I was right about this thing. Maddow just reported that the one person medevacced off the Destroyer was the Commanding Officer.  Source: Stars and Stripes https://twitter.com/eslavin_stripes/status/875888477535064064
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facialimpediment posted:Well I was right about this thing. dude got his rear end beat down?
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:what happens to all the enlisted dudes when poo poo like that happens The enlisted dudes and their chiefs (assuming presence of a spine) will claim that their people followed procedure and made thenpreoper reports. Regardless if that's true, from experience I'd err on the side of 'they made the proper report in their sleep deprived haze but when the OOD didn't do anything besides acknowledge stoped caring about the situation until it was too late tonavoid' Nobles have a commission for a reason. M_Gargantua fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Jun 17, 2017 |
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:dude got his rear end beat down? probably loving asphyxiated from huffing his own farts like any good naval officer
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Mr. Nice! posted:Oh the captain, XO, and navigator will all probably be unemployed. I don't see how criminal charges wouldn't be filed. The Navy's reputation is already in the toilet following the Fat Leonard ordeal; why would they give anyone a pass in this case?
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:what happens to all the enlisted dudes when poo poo like that happens They were honestly probably running on a skeleton crew because they were just transiting right off the coast. There was probably only 1-2 people down in cic on watch, an Officer of the Deck (OOD), a conn, a BMOW (boatswainmate of the watch who may not have even been in the pilot house if he was running night orders around), a QMOW (quartermaster of the watch), and an aft lookout. So the enlisted people's level of hosed depends entirely on how much they were involved in whatever jackassery the OOD was up to. They'll get mast at worst, but honestly there was probably only 4-5 that could even be involved.
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:dude got his rear end beat down? No. The captain's stateroom is right where a good part of that crunched section is at. This goes to further my theory the bridgewatch flat wasn't paying attention. The captain's standing orders certainly had some sort of rule that he had to get woke up for any crossing situation less than 5 miles or something. He was in his room when the collision happened.
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psydude posted:I don't see how criminal charges wouldn't be filed. The Navy's reputation is already in the toilet following the Fat Leonard ordeal; why would they give anyone a pass in this case? Especially since it seems like the skipper wasn't woke up, the OOD was asleep at the wheel.
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I really want to hear ManMythLegends take on top of all of our hottake. But I realize it may be difficult for him to do that without revealing non-public information that influenced him
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CHICKEN SHOES posted:probably loving asphyxiated from huffing his own farts like any good naval officer
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You guys should check out the pictures of the cargo ship. First thing I noticed was that the port anchor had been dragged a few feet out of its securing tackle and both flukes were sheared off. They're probably still embedded in the Fitzgerald.
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SIR I HAVE SOMETHING URGEN- *BROOOOONK* *crash*
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Polikarpov posted:You guys should check out the pictures of the cargo ship. First thing I noticed was that the port anchor had been dragged a few feet out of its securing tackle and both flukes were sheared off. They're probably still embedded in the Fitzgerald. Video of the incident. https://youtube.com/watch?v=rTw5pk6dcX0
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M_Gargantua posted:I really want to hear ManMythLegends take on top of all of our hottake. But I realize it may be difficult for him to do that without revealing non-pillbox information that influenced him FrozenVent will probably be able to give a pretty informed opinion too.
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AIS track of the container ship at the approximate time of collision. 18.5 knots is pretty quick for a big ship. That's 1.85 nautical miles of advance every 6 minutes, which can come at you deceptively quickly.
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:what happens to all the enlisted dudes when poo poo like that happens They might give LoR to whatever QM was on watch and/or lookout. Majority of the blame will be put on to the CO/XO, Navigator, and whomever was OOD.
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Third World Reggin posted:cops are people my friend Well let's not go crazy.
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Metropolitan Police just provided an update on the Grenfel Tower fire. At least 30 confirmed fatalities, with the number expected to rise. 24 remain hospitalized. While the inspection team will consist of multidisciplinary specialists, it's being led by their top homicide detective.
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Buca di Bepis posted:i know dementia makes you batty but does it really impair your ability to tell that you have a mouthful of soap? The packets probably don't taste like soap if you swallow them before they dissolve.
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Doc Hawkins posted:The packets probably don't taste like soap if you swallow them before they dissolve. No they have bitterants in the casing. Think the poo poo that is air duster to discourage huffing. You have to be loving determined to eat a detergent packet, because every reaction of your body is going to be to spit that disgusting poo poo out the instant it touches your tongue.
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M_Gargantua posted:I really want to hear ManMythLegends take on top of all of our hottake. But I realize it may be difficult for him to do that without revealing non-public information that influenced him So I actually don't know all that many details about the incident itself. I'm friends of friends with some of the senior officers onboard including the CO. I've been on leave the last couple of days so I haven't been able to read anything about it other then what's in the news. That all said, from what I've read, and the pictures I've seen, I'm like 85+% sure this is the FITZGERALD's fault. If I was to hazard a guess that merchant ship wasn't tracked and reported properly and was not turned over to the oncoming watch well or at all. The CO being seriously injured probably means he was still in his cabin when they collided which means he never got a call from the OOD about a close CPA, or he did and the report was hosed up and he didn't wake up. For reference, my standing orders mandate that I get a call for every contact with a CPA of 2kyds or less, and that is actually less then what most CO's are comfortable with. The average is probably around 5kyds across the fleet. I'm a pretty level headed guy, but one of the few things I will lose my poo poo over is a bridge team failing to report contacts properly. Not getting a phone call is poo poo I lose sleep over. It was the same thing that happened when GUARDIAN ran aground. The first indication that CO had that there was a problem was when the ship hit the reef. ManMythLegend fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Jun 17, 2017 |
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Okay, so going through the AIS data from the merchant ship, and talking with some folks, I'm starting to believe that the FITZGERALD collision is basically a reverse of the USS RADFORD collision. In this case AIS seems to indicate that the merchant ship was in some sort of constant turn/360. This means there would be no good track on it on any of FITZGERALD's radars and no real CPA data. If the watchstanders weren't really on the ball (unlikely at 2 AM) they wouldn't have noticed what it was doing until it was too late. Also, I'm starting to hear some information from the ship and needless to say it is pretty . It's worse than with the PORTER.
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ManMythLegend posted:Okay, so going through the AIS data from the merchant ship, and talking with some folks, I'm starting to believe that the FITZGERALD collision is basically a reverse of the USS RADFORD collision. Can we blame Kim Jon Un or Putin for this? Maybe it was a missile or they hacked the GPS. 
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Arc Light posted:Metropolitan Police just provided an update on the Grenfel Tower fire. loving Fox & Friends was giving the biggest bullshit spin on this incident this morning. Don't have a link, but it was essentially, "Building owners prioritized green energy over building safety."
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Deathy McDeath posted:loving Fox & Friends was giving the biggest bullshit spin on this incident this morning. Don't have a link, but it was essentially, "Building owners prioritized green energy over building safety." Noted piece of poo poo Megan McArdle (just look at a history of her articles if you don't already know who she is) made the case of externality making this fire kind of OK. As in, well, if buildings were safer and more expensive more people would live farther away and pay more in travel costs and maybe die on the road, gee think about it. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-06-16/beware-of-blaming-government-for-london-tower-fire
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Looking at the pictures of the two ships, I mean they must've collided at a low speed right? That container ship is massive if it was going fast I'd imagine it would've destroyed the Fitzgerald.
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Blind Rasputin posted:Looking at the pictures of the two ships, I mean they must've collided at a low speed right? That container ship is massive if it was going fast I'd imagine it would've destroyed the Fitzgerald. the container ship was going 18.5 knots.
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Bill Cosby jury hung, judge declared mistrial. https://nyti.ms/2sA2MC2
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ManMythLegend posted:So I actually don't know all that many details about the incident itself. I'm friends of friends with some of the senior officers onboard including the CO. I've been on leave the last couple of days so I haven't been able to read anything about it other then what's in the news. Through 4 captains on two different DDGs it's always been 5 miles. One skipper in particular we'd have to repeat things a couple of times to make sure he actually understood the report. I'm glad your thoughts mostly mirror mine. I'm way out of the game, but bridgewatch stuff is still imprinted firmly in my mind.
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quote:If Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates hoped the shock of their sudden economic and diplomatic blockade of Qatar would produce a rapid capitulation, it isnā€™t panning out that way. bloomberg
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Blind Rasputin posted:Looking at the pictures of the two ships, I mean they must've collided at a low speed right? That container ship is massive if it was going fast I'd imagine it would've destroyed the Fitzgerald. I suspect it wasn't a 90-degree T-bone impact.
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Madurai posted:I suspect it wasn't a 90-degree T-bone impact. Yes, from the cargo ship's perspective it was more of a porter house.
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Blind Rasputin posted:Looking at the pictures of the two ships, I mean they must've collided at a low speed right? That container ship is massive if it was going fast I'd imagine it would've destroyed the Fitzgerald. By the time they got close to hitting they had most certainly slowed quite a bit, but the problem is there aren't really any brakes out on the ocean. mlmp08 posted:the container ship was going 18.5 knots. AIS is wrong (often) about things like that. It's not reliable tracking information for course and speed. There is no way that container ship was doing almost 19 knots. Madurai posted:I suspect it wasn't a 90-degree T-bone impact. From the angle of impact on both ships it's still a t-bone type situation, but not 90 degrees. Almost more like a 7 than a T for impact angle.
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Mr. Nice! posted:By the time they got close to hitting they had most certainly slowed quite a bit, but the problem is there aren't really any brakes out on the ocean. I'm gonna make mad money designing a one-time use emergency brake for warships. It'll be a high-tensile-strength parachute-type of deal with buoys on the upper edge of the canopy, weights on the bottom for rapid submersion. Attach it to a load bearing point on the stern of the ship and have it be launched by an ASROC-esque system or ASW mortar type of launcher. I'll do marketing for it in some congressional district with heavy reliance on ship-building jobs to build some lobbying power, and then float the product the next time some captain runs his ship aground or into some other poo poo. All the design will be done internally by then, but I'll repeatedly claim ongoing setbacks and development issues after I've secured the Pentagon contract, artificially inflating my costs forever and a day. I'll put another provision in the contract for longer-than-usual sea trials that require copious amounts of my own employees for maintenance and evaluation because of some proprietary bullshit I'll put in it. I'll also allocate way too little training slots for navy personnel to be authorized to operate the system. After 3 years or so, I'll announce some unforeseen incompatibility of my system with USN ships due to some structural bullshit, but blame it on them for failed disclosure or something. And in 10 years, when I've already been snorting coke off of hookers asses in the Bahamas for 7 years, the entirety of the most powerful blue water navy on the planet will be proudly sporting my butt-parachutes. Oh, call the system R.E.T.A.R.D. (N) I'll make up some bullshit for what it stands for in my first year on the Bahamas while blasted out of my mind. Checkmate, poors. 
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