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Sarion posted:God allowed the Holocaust to occur because he loves the Jews and just wanted to punish them like a parent punishes a child Tough love. By killing millions of Jews, He forced/induced/drove the remaining millions to become stronger and harder. Nietzche, "that which does not kill you" etc. I've heard the same answer for the more general problem of evil; "If all-powerful and all-loving God, why bad things?" Wasn't very convincing then either.
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Ancient religions got it right by having their gods be flawed, evil, or uncaring. Once your god becomes a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient being who loves you unconditionally but will gently caress you over for eternity over the slightest mistake, then the whole thing falls apart.
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Kat R. Waulin posted:On fb, from a relative. This guy, is smarter than the average knuckle dragger, on the family tree. He also claims to be a critical thinker, and have a scientific mind.... quote:Army Specialist Michale New is being courts martialed because he refused to to remove the American flag and replace it with the UN flag and swear allegiance to the UN. This is wrong! Clearly this is Obama's fault.
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Feb 4, 2013 07:20
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Didn't see this one on that last few pages, but it's apparently the new conspiracy.
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Feb 4, 2013 13:16
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TheFarSide posted:Didn't see this one on that last few pages, but it's apparently the new conspiracy. It's amazing how much energy people put into not listening when people point out that owning a gun makes you stratospherically more likely to be killed with a gun.
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Feb 4, 2013 13:19
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TheFarSide posted:Didn't see this one on that last few pages, but it's apparently the new conspiracy. Chris was the desert boss, John was the forest boss and Keith was a random named spawn. Obama simply slew them for their parts of the key to george washington's tomb. Nothing mysterious about it. Occam's razor. SMILLENNIALSMILLEN fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Feb 4, 2013 |
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katlington posted:Chris was the desert boss, John was the forest boss and Keith was a random named spawn. Obama simply slew them for their parts of the key to george washington's tomb. Nothing mysterious about it. Occam's razor. Which one had the hookshot? I wanna see Obama with Twin Clawshots ASAP.
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TheFarSide posted:Didn't see this one on that last few pages, but it's apparently the new conspiracy. Wow, that's seriously fast work. The first guy there only died two days ago. They haven't even gotten a statement from the killer yet.
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Deuce posted:At which point does a car crash become "mysterious?" All the hallmarks of a George Soroes funded hit squad
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Deuce posted:At which point does a car crash become "mysterious?" When it needs to be. Only one of the guy's deaths was at all mysterious. Last I had heard they didn't have a suspect for the guy in the middle. Which happens sometimes. The thing is, you could do it backwards, too. Find people who favor gun control who have been shot, and suddenly the gun manufacturers are out for blood!! It's so obvious! Also, I love how they act like the antipsychotic medication thing is another vast conspiracy. You mean there is a connection between people with mental illnesses having access to firearms and mass shootings? Well I never!
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Sarion posted:Also, I love how they act like the antipsychotic medication thing is another vast conspiracy. You mean there is a connection between people with mental illnesses having access to firearms and mass shootings? Well I never! The saddest part is most of those people we're talking about in here are actually in urgent need of some strong anti-anxiety and anti-depressant meds. Actually they need pretty much everything that starts with anti just to make sure but no, evil lieberal drug companies 
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By the way, here's what happened to Chris Kyle: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/04/us/chris-kyle-american-sniper-author-reported-killed.html?_r=0 quote:But on Saturday, far from a war zone, Mr. Routh turned on Mr. Kyle, 38, and a second man, Chad Littlefield, 35, shortly after they arrived at an exclusive shooting range near Glen Rose, Tex., about 50 miles southwest of Fort Worth, law enforcement authorities said Sunday. The officials said that for reasons that were still unclear, Mr. Routh shot and killed both men with a semiautomatic handgun before fleeing in a pickup truck belonging to Mr. Kyle. He was trying to help recently returned vets readjust to civilian life. He took a kid with mental issues out on the shooting range, the kid killed him and his friend.
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Feb 4, 2013 16:05
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vyelkin posted:Then point out that 96% of Americans have received some form of government benefit, though they often don't realize it because many things government does go completely unnoticed and/or taken for granted. Driven on a road lately? The Government built that. Used public water? Government built that too. Have a well? It's only drinkable because of government regulation on pollutants. Ate a piece of meat and didn't die? Thank the FDA. Didn't get robbed or murdered this year? That's the work of your local PD and the justice system. Etc.
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Chamberk posted:He was trying to help recently returned vets readjust to civilian life. He took a kid with mental issues out on the shooting range, the kid killed him and his friend. At this rate, I'm wondering if everyone with autism and PTSD might end up on watchlists or something. Ugh. It's pretty ironic that the SEAL sniper got killed by the same machine that made him famous. Pope Guilty posted:It's amazing how much energy people put into not listening when people point out that owning a gun makes you stratospherically more likely to be killed with a gun. From what I understand, Noveske got killed when he didn't goddamn buckle up for safety (buckle up!) on a icy, rainy Oregon back road and was ejected into some rocks after experiencing sudden deceleration. Thanks, Obama! We need a :itisaconspiracy: emote.
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1stGear posted:Ancient religions got it right by having their gods be flawed, evil, or uncaring. Once your god becomes a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient being who loves you unconditionally but will gently caress you over for eternity over the slightest mistake, then the whole thing falls apart. Uh...remember that assuming you're actually a follower of an Abrahamic religion, Judaism didn't "write" God that way, He IS that way. It'd be like saying "Man why would you write gravity with so many restrictions"? And how is Judaism in any way not "Ancient"? RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Feb 4, 2013 |
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Kat R. Waulin posted:On fb, from a relative. This guy, is smarter than the average knuckle dragger, on the family tree. He also claims to be a critical thinker, and have a scientific mind.... Mark 10:40-45 posted:40 But I have no right to say who will sit on my right or my left. God has prepared those places for the ones he has chosen.” I also love his piss-poor understanding of theodicy, the "problem of evil" that shows up when you assume an Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnibenevolent deity like the Judeo-Christian God. Even if you throw in free will necessitating people are able to commit evil, you still have earthquakes and hurricanes and malaria and AIDS and smallpox and all the other unnecessary sources of suffering and anguish in the world completely out of human control.
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Sarion posted:
Speaking of seat belt laws, my girlfriend's brother (a tea-partier, probably would post on FR if he knew about it) had dinner with us awhile ago. He was complaining about an upcoming court date because of a ticket he got, I asked him what he got and he was like "Not wearing my seat belt. I TRIED to tell the cop that I shouldn't have to wear it, because the GOVERNMENT can't force me to wear one. He just laughed at me, and wrote me a ticket. He didn't understand my argument at all! I can't wait to talk the judge, he'll totally get where I'm coming form  " I calmly explained to him how to approach the situation, basically saying it's better to approach the judge being apologetic, and state you'll never do it again, etc etc. than to do that route of "government can't tell me what to do!" He was like "you think that works?" and I was like "Yes, it will." It's a shame. He's a nice guy otherwise, but he got totally brainwashed by that stuff.
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DarkHorse posted:I also love his piss-poor understanding of theodicy, the "problem of evil" that shows up when you assume an Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnibenevolent deity like the Judeo-Christian God. Even if you throw in free will necessitating people are able to commit evil, you still have earthquakes and hurricanes and malaria and AIDS and smallpox and all the other unnecessary sources of suffering and anguish in the world completely out of human control. And best of all, Hell. e: Earthquakes, AIDS, etc. can be explained away in a sort of "How can you appreciate the good if you've never experienced the bad?" way, but there's no getting around eternal damnation being an essentially evil concept. Muscle Tracer fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Feb 4, 2013 |
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Muscle Tracer posted:And best of all, Hell.
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DarkHorse posted:I would assume there'd be plenty evil to go around given human capacity for assholery. I mean, do you really have to add tsunamis when you have serial killers, rapists, and even relatively mundane things like loan sharks? You do mention another fun point, of course: eternal suffering for a finite amount of sinning. Sounds like justice to me It's not simply justice, it's how God shows his love for his wayward children, because he loves us all equally, infinitely, eternally much.
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That's really unfair because the perception of how God judges people and their ultimate fate varies wildly within Christian sects. That's not even counting Islam and Judaism (which has no Hell).
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My grandfather has finally jumped on the email train, I wish I could preserve the formatting. Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul , Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the Presidential election: Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 --- Republicans: 29 Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 --- Republicans: 2,427,000 Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 Million --- Republicans: 143 million Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 --- Republicans: 2.1 Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Republicans won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...." Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation ' s population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase. If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal’s and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years. If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message. If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom. “IN GOD WE TRUST” Old age is 'when you still have something on the ball, but you are just too tired to bounce it.
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Chamberk posted:By the way, here's what happened to Chris Kyle: Haha, nicely done kid
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pokchu posted:My grandfather has finally jumped on the email train, I wish I could preserve the formatting. Different versions of this one have been around for a long time, but the thing that jumps out to me about this particular one is that apparently a third party won two states.
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pokchu posted:My grandfather has finally jumped on the email train, I wish I could preserve the formatting. Obama carried 26 states + D.C., Romney carried 24 states. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012 quote:Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 --- Republicans: 2,427,000 "Square miles of land" don't have a right to vote, people have a right to vote. Based on the fact the state count was wrong, I imagine this count is wrong too, but it's also wholly irrelevant because people don't get the right to vote based on land ownership. quote:Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 Million --- Republicans: 143 million Obama won the popular vote by 5 million votes. quote:Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 --- Republicans: 2.1 Citation needed. Also who gives a gently caress? quote:Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Republicans won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country. Citation needed, and again, who gives a poo poo? The right to vote isn't tied to how much tax you pay. quote:Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation ' s population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase. Only 40%? Romney said 47%, we've made real progress if we're down to 40% since then! quote:If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal’s and they vote, then we can say Death to America?  quote:If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message. How much is at stake? Will we become Canada, Mexico, the USSR? I want to know.
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The stats are from 2000, and have been recirculated for every election since. The professor even calls out the bullshit on his faculty page. Due diligence be damned! Joseph Olson posted:DISCLAIMER: There are a series of emails floating around the internet dealing with the 2008 Obama/McCain election and the 2000 Bush/Gore election, remarks of a Scottish philosopher named Alexander Tyler, suicide rates, or ANYTHING ELSE. I did not author any part of either email. I've been trying to kill this fallacy for 10 years. I didn't have any part of it in 2000, and I still have no part of the email in regards to the 2008 election. For details, see: http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp. Just some add some more modern xenophobic and welfare queen ranting and we've got one classy forward e-mail. Thanks, grandpa!
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Mo_Steel posted:Citation needed, and again, who gives a poo poo? The right to vote isn't tied to how much tax you pay. I'm pretty sure they unironically WANT that to be the case cause it means the welfare queen nanny state parasites can just keep voting to give themselves more benefits you see.
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RagnarokAngel posted:That's really unfair because the perception of how God judges people and their ultimate fate varies wildly within Christian sects. Yeah Islam got around that Omnibenevolent thing. He only loves ya if you pray to/believe in him. Also you don't want to end up in Islam's hell (Jahanam). That place is loving brutal.
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DarkHorse posted:
Those things, are God's way of ridding the world of heathens, a.k.a. brown people, and gays. If they happen to white, American, straight, Christians, it's God's way of testing their faith and/or making them stronger.
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After slogging through the recently closed Gun Thread in DnD, this reference to a battle rifle is just infuriating to me. Every time somebody used the term assault rifle, they were immediately shouted down as being ignorant and out of touch cause "you don't even know what an assault rifle is". Also, why does Kyle even belong in that conspiracy when everyone knows who shot him and that the killer was a vet suffering horribly from PTSD which is why he was with Kyle in the first place.
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Because they're saying the liberal media is covering it up and it was actually an Obama conspiracy that killed him.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Because they're saying the liberal media is covering it up and it was actually an Obama conspiracy that killed him. Yeah, I should have put more effort into sarcasm cause what kept running through my head was the old tune, "one of these things is not like the others".
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This isn't a letter but today on my drive to work I saw a small, homemade sign from a piece of cardboard obviously cut out of a box that only said "INFO WARS" and written vertically on the side ".com" I don't even know what to think now.
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This popped up on my facebook today: I like how it completely ignores all social issues in Chicago that might contribute to those deaths. What's a good way to put this argument down?
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Tell them to vote for a party that will fix the social issues (TIP: It's not one of the two right wing parties). Do it yourself while you're at it.
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miscellaneous14 posted:This popped up on my facebook today: "Yes, the news media is racist. Good job." Or if you want to take a different tack, you could point out that Chicago is hardly the only place in America where people get shot. In fact, since the mass shooting at Newtown (which has attracted media attention due to, you know, being a mass shooting), at least 1,545 Americans have died due to firearms. Ask the person how many of those deaths they saw reported in the News Media they think is so anti-gun (and which is really just pro-ratings).
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