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Shrimp or Shrimps
Feb 14, 2012


Unfortunately the standard 1050 (non-TI) is looking pretty underwhelming in mobile: http://www.ithome.com/html/digi/283758.htm

960m: 100%
m1050: 131%
965m: 135%
970m: 176%
m1050 ti: 181%
980m: 232%
m1060: 285%

Even more eager to find out which 1050 it is for the XPS 15 refresh now.

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canyonero
Aug 3, 2006
I wonder if that's the 2GB m1050 or the 4GB one that'll be in the XPS 15 (or if there would be any difference in these benchmarks regardless).

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

Ok then

Shrimp or Shrimps posted:

Unfortunately the standard 1050 (non-TI) is looking pretty underwhelming in mobile: http://www.ithome.com/html/digi/283758.htm

960m: 100%
m1050: 131%
965m: 135%
970m: 176%
m1050 ti: 181%
980m: 232%
m1060: 285%

Even more eager to find out which 1050 it is for the XPS 15 refresh now.
Probably less power hungry than the 965M/970M chips they match for performance, but yeah I also hope its the 1050ti.

Watermelon Daiquiri
Jul 10, 2010
I TRIED TO BAIT THE TXPOL THREAD WITH THE WORLD'S WORST POSSIBLE TAKE AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS STUPID AVATAR.
I'd be very interested to see a comparison between the mobile and desktop 1050s. Given that this is an apple to apple comparison, itd be neat to see if there is an appreciable difference, especially since I have a pet theory that the giheung fab (the main one) makes the 'desktop' 1050s while the austin one (constantly playing catchup and follow the leader) is producing the 'mobile' ones. I'd love to be able to directly compare the two fabs given that austin would be well described as that sad child who is constantly looking up to their cold, distant parent who doesnt spend much time with them and is constantly striving for attention and approval from them.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Ciaphas posted:

I'm gonna pick up either the Acer 14" chromebook or the Acer R11 chromebook from best buy tonight. $20 difference in it, so I'm not fussed there. Couple questions about the R11 before I decide-

- How is the hinge, and how well does it react to being switched between modes? Wobbly, or firm?
- Chrome on my Surface (so Windows, basically) has no provisions for being in tablet/touch screen mode. This is mostly fine for normal browsing but god help if you need an on screen keyboard or fine manipulation of, say, Chrome settings. Does Chrome on a Chromebook act any differently? If no then I'll just get the 14" and save myself the trouble.

Sorry I wasn't able to see this a few days ago so I'm not sure if you've already made the purchase, but:
- The R11 hinge is solid; it's perfectly fine for a <$300 laptop.
- ChromeOS functions the same way, touch or not; it doesn't enlarge the interface or anything like that in touch mode (partially because the touch devices always have that functionality available) but there is an on-screen keyboard available. Touch in ChromeOS doesn't really add any functionality, but it works, and is nice to have because you can sit back and scroll, navigate, whatever, just like you would on your Android device. It's one of those things that you don't need, but once you've used it you miss it when you go to a non-touch device.

Between those two devices I'd steer you towards the R11 just for the extra functionality and portability, since the Acer isn't that much faster and while it's physically nicer it's also quite a bit larger. The Acer has the better display though, however the Acer 14 also comes in a base 720p version which you should avoid.

fishing with the fam posted:

I would like to expand on this a bit. If I did care about gaming through a docking station, would a thunderbolt based docking allow for use of the laptops GPU?

My wife has an MSI GS63, which handles games very well. Without doing the proper research we got a Plugable USB based docking station. When playing nearly any game on a 1080 monitor through the docking station, the FPS drops precipitously, at which point we found out how unsuitable a USB docking station was for her needs. Dumb mistake on our part, and now we are trying to find a better solution. Its been a struggle though finding a good answer for this problem though. drat near everything I find online related to docking stations is specific to office use.

TLDR: Would a thunderbolt docking station actual utilize the laptops GPU and allow for gaming on an external monitor in HD?

If your laptop has a Thunderbolt interface, you could use it in two ways:
- Perform the video processing on your laptop and send the output to a TB display.
- Use an external GPU like with the Razer Core or similar.
You want to do neither, though.

The docking station you got is clearly using the DisplayLink technology to get video over USB, that's the problem you're running into. Your solution is pretty straightforward: you can keep the dock and use it to simplify the connection of your peripherals, but you plug the monitor directly into the laptop via HDMI or DP. Simple! You have only one extra connection to make when docking (power, 1xUSB, 1xVideo) and it will work exactly how you expect it to.

Tubesock
Apr 20, 2002




The lenovo outlet store is kind if hilarious. I've been trying to pick up a T or X series laptop. I added a system to my cart twice and by the time i got to submitting my order it was no longer available. I had to speed buy an x250 that popped up this morning. Its either really lovely inventory management, or really clever marketing. I landed a 12.5" laptop with an IPS screen for about $650. I'm looking forward to trying it out when it arrives.

Special shout out to Hadlock for keeping the op up to date for like... 3 years.

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-jammyozzy.gif"><br>Is that a challenge?
Does anybody have an opinion on the 14" Lenovo Yoga 710 as a basic photo editing laptop? I'm looking for a decent screen in a reasonably built laptop for some basic photo editing and it seems to fit the bill quite well.

For reference I have a budget of ~£800 (~$1000). I'm completely unbothered about audio quality and I'm usually at a desk so battery life and weight aren't too much of an issue either. I know the answer for "good screen" is an XPS 13, but they cost a little more than I want to spend, so I'm open to any other suggestions.

*E* For reference, the Lenovo UK store currently has the Yoga 710 for £700. The XPS 13 starts at ~£900 here and jumps to £1,000 for the first model with 8GB of RAM.

jammyozzy fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jan 1, 2017

canis minor
May 4, 2011

All Lenovo Yogas 710 are sold out - was thinking going for it as well, with additional discount of 10% but I just took too long and they were all out

You might actually look at Y700 - with 10Y700 voucher code the price of assembled one with Intel Core i7-6700HQ and 8GB RAM comes down to £809.99

I took the bullet and ordered this one - http://www.medion.com/gb/shop/intel....30021531.na.na (better specs than Yoga 710, lower price, part of Lenovo, although I don't think that's necesarrily good thing) - for, after discounts £649 and hopefully will not regret it. If you want I can give a shout how it feels like when it arrives this week.

canis minor fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Jan 1, 2017

Honj Steak
May 31, 2013

Hi there.
Medion is ALDI's store brand for tech and their stuff is usually surprisingly ok except for the tablets.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Honj Steak posted:

Medion is ALDI's store brand for tech and their stuff is usually surprisingly ok except for the tablets.
I've used one of their 200€ Windows tablets for nearly two years to my great satisfaction and when the micro usb port wore out after using it plugged in almost daily, they paid me back full price under the three year manufacturer's warranty. During the whole time I had it and after I never saw a tablet with equivalent specs at around the same price point. I've replaced it with an 850€ Surface Pro 4 because I was desperate not to downgrade or pay significantly more for the exact same thing (ie Atom with 2GB RAM). A wonderful 1920x1200 ips screen that thing had. I'm sure they sell some stinkers as well, but I can't complain about my personal experience with them.

Medion is currently owned by Lenovo, by the way. Aldi just does a lot of business with them.

Paperhouse
Dec 31, 2008

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Quick question regarding refurbished laptops: how are refurbishers formatting these laptops with a clean Windows installation when a lot of them seem to have password protected BIOS that they can't provide the password for?

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Paperhouse posted:

Quick question regarding refurbished laptops: how are refurbishers formatting these laptops with a clean Windows installation when a lot of them seem to have password protected BIOS that they can't provide the password for?

Does a password protected BIOS mean you can't boot the pc or does it mean you can't go into the bios and change the settings?

They could always use drive imaging software to put windows on it

Ika
Dec 30, 2004
Pure insanity

I didn't see the HP envy series in the OP, is it crap? How does the screen compare to the XPS screens in terms of color reproducibility for photo editing?

I found a sale for the HP ENVY 15-as131ng model with QHD, i7-7500U, 16GB ram, 512GB SSD for 1K euros. Spec wise that matches a 2K euro XPS 15, except for the missing touch screen. If the display colors are just as good I'd go for it. I can't find reviews, as I'm guessing it is just now being launched. However there has got to be a downside somewhere. Mostly I am getting frustrating waiting on a XPS sale, since so far the prices have only been going up.

Ika fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Jan 2, 2017

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-jammyozzy.gif"><br>Is that a challenge?

canis minor posted:

All Lenovo Yogas 710 are sold out - was thinking going for it as well, with additional discount of 10% but I just took too long and they were all out

You might actually look at Y700 - with 10Y700 voucher code the price of assembled one with Intel Core i7-6700HQ and 8GB RAM comes down to £809.99

I took the bullet and ordered this one - http://www.medion.com/gb/shop/intel....30021531.na.na (better specs than Yoga 710, lower price, part of Lenovo, although I don't think that's necesarrily good thing) - for, after discounts £649 and hopefully will not regret it. If you want I can give a shout how it feels like when it arrives this week.

As a follow-up to this, I found one in stock in PC World for the same price as the Lenovo shop. The whole experience was a reminder of why I never, ever usually go to PC World, but I'm so-far happy with the laptop at least. :)

Gio
Jun 20, 2005


Real quick advice: Looking for a laptop on the cheaper end* that will play most games on the lowest settings possible. Any suggestions? What exactly should I be looking for?

*upper limit is no more than $800, hoping for something cheaper

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Let's say that I'm trying to have my $800 Dell Inspiron 15 7000 (GTX 960M) from 2015 repaired by my Asurion 3-year warranty, which states that if they cannot repair my laptop per cost, that they will give me an amazon giftcard equal to my laptop's cost. What would be a better laptop for gaming/GPU purposes that could replace the former laptop around the $800 price range?

roomforthetuna
Mar 22, 2005

I don't need to know anything about virii! My CUSTOM PROGRAM keeps me protected! It's not like they'll try to come in through the Internet or something!

Gio posted:

Real quick advice: Looking for a laptop on the cheaper end* that will play most games on the lowest settings possible. Any suggestions? What exactly should I be looking for?

*upper limit is no more than $800, hoping for something cheaper
A Lenovo Y50 can be found for around $600 now, used, and still adequately handles even new things on low settings. More generally, for that budget goal you want something with an 860M GPU (people here are mostly recommending 1060s now but you won't find those in an $800 machine).

(link to a $600 used Y50 on ebay, with a reasonable spec.)

Gio
Jun 20, 2005


roomforthetuna posted:

A Lenovo Y50 can be found for around $600 now, used, and still adequately handles even new things on low settings. More generally, for that budget goal you want something with an 860M GPU (people here are mostly recommending 1060s now but you won't find those in an $800 machine).

(link to a $600 used Y50 on ebay, with a reasonable spec.)
Thanks for the input. Are there any new laptops that would work as well?

Watermelon Daiquiri
Jul 10, 2010
I TRIED TO BAIT THE TXPOL THREAD WITH THE WORLD'S WORST POSSIBLE TAKE AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS STUPID AVATAR.
Arent there both kepler and maxwell 860ms? I'd imagine youd want to make sure you get a good one lol

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

What's the best laptop to get for around $800 that has the best graphics/GPU stats/cooling system?

Shrimp or Shrimps
Feb 14, 2012


Grouchio posted:

What's the best laptop to get for around $800 that has the best graphics/GPU stats/cooling system?

You may want to wait for at least CES (in a few days) because of GTX 1050/1050ti mobile GPUs in laptops and their possible announcements.

At the 800 dollar range you aren't getting a 1060 unless you score an amazing deal which will definitely be short-lived, which means you're settling for the 960m which is just world's worse, and even a 1050 standard (which is looking like a lower-end 960m replacement) would net you about 35% extra performance.

With that said, if you need it in a hurry, I'm not sure how quickly any laptops announced at CES will come to market, but there are already screenshots floating around of MSI laptops with the 1050 currently available in some stores.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

So what would you recommend I should replace my GTX 960M with in case I need to? Are there sturdier gaming laptops out there? Or ones with much larger hard drives than just 256GB?

Shrimp or Shrimps
Feb 14, 2012


Grouchio posted:

So what would you recommend I should replace my GTX 960M with in case I need to? Are there sturdier gaming laptops out there? Or ones with much larger hard drives than just 256GB?

If you already have a 960m laptop (I'm a bit confused by your post) then buying another 960m laptop to replace it is absolutely not a good value proposition.

If you want to replace it at 800 dollars with an upgrade, then you'll have to wait and see what 1050/1050ti laptops are priced as (and we'll probably learn some of that at CES). I presume they'll occupy the same price points of the outgoing 960m models they replace.

Otherwise your next step up is the GTX1060 which you can nab at 1200 USD if you snag a deal, but if you don't then you're looking at more 1500~2000 range, the pricier you get, the better build quality and "prestige" the notebook.

If you're asking if you can replace the 960m GPU in the laptop itself, the answer is a flat no.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Amazon sold a laptop with 1060 for like $900 on black friday. I hope that becomes the normal price.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Mu Zeta posted:

Amazon sold a laptop with 1060 for like $900 on black friday. I hope that becomes the normal price.

To be fair, that model had a 3GB 1060. Best Buy's currently selling a 3GB 1060 15.6" MSI laptop (with an M.2 SATA 256GB SSD + 1TB HDD) for $1099 on their website and through their eBay store.

The 6GB 1060 is worth the extra $100, though.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



http://computers.woot.com/offers/hp-13-g1-14-qhd-aluminum-chromebook?ref=cp_cnt_wp_3_2

Hey, so, if anybody's interested in the very nice HP Chromebook 13, there are some refurbs on Woot at that link above. The base model for $410, the m3 for $460, and the m5 (with 8 GB RAM) for $560. Not bad considering the base model retailed for $500 new! They all appear to have the 3200 x 1800 display, are fanless, with backlit keyboards, 2x USB-C, and very nice speakers. Highly recommended if you're into Chromebooks and want a nice one but don't want to splurge on the Pixel.

B-Mac
Apr 21, 2003
I'll never catch "the gay"!
The 3GB 1060 is still significantly faster than the 960m though.

canyonero
Aug 3, 2006
Lenovo announced pricing for their budget gaming 1050ti laptop at $899 USD: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Legion-gaming-laptops-announced-Legion-Y520-Y720.189794.0.html

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

If you're looking at buying a laptop, you should absolutely wait until the end of the week, at a minimum. CES is in full swing and will be announcing/releasing a ton of new devices over the next couple of days

If you're buying a laptop with anything less than a 1050, especially if you use it unplugged, you're completely bonkers

With the MacBook pro and 10 series GPUs out and CES Wrapping up this weekend, it's probably time for a fresh OP

shovelbum
Oct 21, 2010

Fun Shoe
Glad I checked this thread, can't wait to see how the T570 looks, had almost given up on a laptop this year after seeing the awful MBP battery life stuff.

a neurotic ai
Mar 22, 2012



The Iron Rose posted:

Check out the Aorus X3v6 or X5v6.

The x5 is still huge and heavy, but the x3 is pretty portable from all reports. Comes with a 1060 and Optimus, so no GSYNC. Runs about $2000.

So I looked into the Aorus laptops. The x7 also has a 1080 in it but I'm really quite enamoured with the unibody design. The x5 has a 1070 and x3 a 1060 iirc. If I was going to settle for a 1060 though I'd likely grab a razer blade. The 14 inches is fine for me and it's even thinner than the MacBook Pro.

I guess I wanted to spring for the pro because it actually has the horses to drive a 4K display, but I might just have to throw up my hands and get a normal blade.

a neurotic ai fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jan 3, 2017

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Ocrassus posted:

I currently have […] a retina MacBook Pro '15 from 2012

Time traveller spotted.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Ocrassus posted:

So I'm caught between a rock and a hard place right now. I currently have a big custom desktop and a retina MacBook Pro '15 from 2012 that is really on its last legs.

I want something to replace both machines. Something that balances close to the power of my desktop with the build quality and portability of my MacBook Pro. The closest thing to that is the new razer blade pro, which impressively stacks a 1080 into it's 0.88 inch shell, but it's also 17 inches which the OP of this thread basically said is for blind people and idiots, and it's 7.8lbs. Has anybody got any experience with machines in this spec range? Is 17 inches really too much?

I'm doing sort of the same thing, planning on replacing desktop and laptop with an XPS 15 with 1050 when they come out later this year/month

I'd tell you that 16"+ is way too big but being the OP I'm biased

17.8" is the size of a pizza box though

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

Ocrassus posted:

So I'm caught between a rock and a hard place right now. I currently have a big custom desktop and a retina MacBook Pro '15 from 2012 that is really on its last legs.

I want something to replace both machines. Something that balances close to the power of my desktop with the build quality and portability of my MacBook Pro. The closest thing to that is the new razer blade pro, which impressively stacks a 1080 into it's 0.88 inch shell, but it's also 17 inches which the OP of this thread basically said is for blind people and idiots, and it's 7.8lbs. Has anybody got any experience with machines in this spec range? Is 17 inches really too much?

Check out the Aorus X3v6 or X5v6.

The x5 is still huge and heavy, but the x3 is pretty portable from all reports. Comes with a 1060 and Optimus, so no GSYNC. Runs about $2000.

a neurotic ai
Mar 22, 2012

The Iron Rose posted:

Check out the Aorus X3v6 or X5v6.

The x5 is still huge and heavy, but the x3 is pretty portable from all reports. Comes with a 1060 and Optimus, so no GSYNC. Runs about $2000.

I checked out aorus and their stuff too. The x7 has similar specs to the razer blade pro, but eschews some premium stuff that I want like thunderbolt 3 and unibody construction. The x5 and x3 are more interesting, but if I was to get a 1060 machine I'd probably just go with a normal blade.

Honestly it might just be a case of having to continue using my MacBook Pro, cracked screen and all, for the mobile stuff (which is DJing, production and illustration whilst on the go), until a machine in a 15 inch or smaller form factor that is able to drive 4K games at a decent frame rate and settings. Just got to wait for the tech to catch up.

Platystemon posted:

Time traveller spotted.

That machine has been absolutely brilliant. It has been pushed to its performance limit consistently, has withstood lots of travel and the horribly dank environs that is a modern nightclub. I have had no reason to give it up until it's started to struggle a bit as I've acquired more pro software to use (and more taxing games to run).

E: and I picked it up like new off eBay for under 1000 quid (1200-1400 dollars) .

a neurotic ai fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Jan 3, 2017

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004



My order for an Alienware 13R3 OLED has been on hold and won't be delivered until February. Is it worth canceling for the new i7 7700hq chips?
Apparently Dell is accepting orders for kaby lake chips this Thursday.

I got a good deal over the phone for the laptop and it has the i7 6700hq. I want to see the four core boost info of the 7700hq. I can only see one core boost stats.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10964/acer-announces-aspire-vx-15-and-v-nitro-gaming-notebooks-and-predator-17-x-updates

The bottom of this article claims that Acer's putting out a laptop with a 1050 *or* 1050Ti, "both [of] which offer 4 GB of GDDR5 RAM."

I guess the XPS 15 will be packing a 4GB 1050.

And to confuse things even more, here's mention of a 2GB 1050Ti: http://www.notebookreview.com/news/new-alienware-13-r3-15-r3-and-17-r4-notebooks/

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Jan 4, 2017

Rosalind
Apr 30, 2013

When we hit our lowest point, we are open to the greatest change.

It looks like the new X1 carbon still doesn't have a touch screen option. :(

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

The T470 will have it. Or the X1 Yoga.

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evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Rosalind posted:

It looks like the new X1 carbon still doesn't have a touch screen option. :(

You get the X1 yoga, which is the X1 carbon with a touch screen and with a yoga hinge which makes the touch screen infinitely more useful.

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