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ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

Disnesquick posted:

Interesting. I guess there's a stratum of the industry I don't know in that equation because I haven't heard of margins like that. As you mention, alcohol is probably the key. If you're the kind of place that's selling hundred buck bottles of wine, then the markup on those is 3-4 times over purchase so that's likely the difference right there.

The big chunk that doesn't get accounted for in most new-starters figuring is wastage, which I assume is an even bigger issue for high-end joints. If no-one orders scallops then that's today's fresh market scallops in the trash. That's also why you see a cycle of decay when a place goes under. If you are struggling then fridging leftovers and reheating tomorrow is an attractive-seeming fix that's ultimately going to push away even more customers.
The math on the margin with raw materials vs. sale price is the big one, which is why I mentioned the overhead. The margin on a dumpling, for example, like a single Chinese dumpling, is hilariously insane. You buy, let's say, 10 dumplings for $7.99 or whatever and the actual cost of the materials is maybe $1.00. The problem in restaurants is the overhead and, as I totally agree with you, wastage and I guess shrinkage if they still call it that and so on. Then the margin, once you account for all the other expenses, the net margin is often pretty crap, which is why the food is marked up so much in the first place and part of why places that can sell lots of alcohol do better than those that can't many times (also because people who drink spend more and tip more). I always laugh these days when I go in some place and they're charging $3-4 for a cup of coffee - and of course sometimes I pay it, whatever - because the actual cost of the materials is pocket change. And this is why...

Hihohe posted:

I will always say there absolutely no reason to get some corporation tacos where you can taste the soap they use to clean the machine theyre manufactured in when you can go to the various taco stands around town and get served excellent barbacoa from a guy missing a thumb.
...aside from these tacos being a million times better than the chain tacos when you pick the right truck, they're also just much more reasonably priced and the profit goes directly to the people who own the truck, who aren't marking up the tacos to pay for the menu, shirts, signs, franchise fee and so on.

saintonan posted:

Coney dogs, probably. Those are much worse than Freebirds burritos for keeping you on the shitter all day.
I've spent weeks in Detroit on business in the last couple of years and have eaten tons of coneys, which are now one of my favorite garbage foods. The Midwest, especially Michigan, is like the capital of absolute trash, horrible, 20th century industrial working class food - much of it bleh, but coneys are hilariously awesomely bad/good.

EDIT: Also, it's bizarre being in a state with so many restaurants named things like Ham Center Cafe and Ram's Horn Family Dining and Maisie's Cow Dairyland or whatever. Plenty of Michigan is like a parody of white people food written by people who have never seen Michigan and would think it's not possible that white people food could be That White. The sales guy I traveled with, himself from Michigan, got a burger in South Haven that had green olives on it, with mayo. You couldn't make this poo poo up.

ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 07:06 on May 26, 2020

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

i just discovered the lil donut shop i go to is vietcajun. they started making boudin kolaches lol

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Forseti posted:

Nah, sorry, I meant Baylor Medical. So like right in the middle of Houston. It took a while for me to realize that Baylor Medical is not the same thing as Baylor.

Since I didn’t see an actual reply to this, try Tacos Tierra Caliente outside Alabama icehouse, also up in the museum district there’s like a white moving truck that drives around to all the construction sites that just says ‘TACOS’ in slightly uneven, 6” block lettering on the passenger side that is super delicious. There’s also a truck that used to park on Richmond and like Greely? That was pretty good. Basically just look for the grungiest meat van you can find and get the barbacoa if they have it.

Also, not tacos, but you’re pretty close to DePana which serves Venezuelan sandwiches which are really good.


Edit: as a transplant from DFW, Houston sucks for the first year, but then one day a switch flips and you go from ‘what do I want to do tonight I don’t know where anything is’ stress to ‘what do I want to do tonight there’s like 2 breweries, 4 bars, and 3 events I want to go to all at the same time’ stress pretty much overnight.

Yngwie Mangosteen fucked around with this message at 14:15 on May 26, 2020

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006
Like half the last page was telling him where to go and you're not even the first to recommend Tierra. That's fine though because they are really good and I'll just third it anyways because it is really good. Really, this list looks pretty good for a generic catch all of places to eat.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Everyone I know who's from San Antonio always talks up Taco Cabana but in multiple tries I found them to be merely "meh". I can only attribute this to one of this situations where it used to be better and everyone has happy childhood/high school memories of that time, or just We All Like Different Things.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

the food itself is real hit-or-miss but the magic of the cabana is going at 3am

Watermelon Daiquiri
Jul 10, 2010
I TRIED TO BAIT THE TXPOL THREAD WITH THE WORLD'S WORST POSSIBLE TAKE AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS STUPID AVATAR.
I love how thier togo margaritas are just virgin margaritas and a mini bottle of tequila.

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

The biggest losses of moving from DFW to San Antonio were good burgers and Braum’s. Grabbing a custard from Braum’s on the way home from a flight was my Love Field tradition.

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

i say swears online posted:

the food itself is real hit-or-miss but the magic of the cabana is going at 3am

Houston has Ruchis which is the better 3AM drunk food than TacoC.

Forseti
May 26, 2001
To the lovenasium!

Democratic Pirate posted:

The biggest losses of moving from DFW to San Antonio were good burgers and Braum’s. Grabbing a custard from Braum’s on the way home from a flight was my Love Field tradition.

I'm sure it's monumentally awful for you but having lived in Missouri for a while, I'll endorse Culver's as some top tier junk food. Looks like there are a handful in Houston and one in San Antonio.

You'll definitely hate yourself after scarfing down a butterburger, huge onion rings, and a frozen custard though.

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

Forseti posted:

I'm sure it's monumentally awful for you but having lived in Missouri for a while, I'll endorse Culver's as some top tier junk food. Looks like there are a handful in Houston and one in San Antonio.

You'll definitely hate yourself after scarfing down a butterburger, huge onion rings, and a frozen custard though.

Oh yeah Culver’s is the bomb, we’d go there when visiting family in the Midwest states. Thanks for the reminder that they’re in my city, I’ll need to get some cheese curds soon.

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

Culvers is amazing. It was probably a 30 to 40 minute drive to Culvers from my old house and I'd make that drive no problem just to eat there. I could eat cheese curds until I puked and then get 2 more orders to go.

devildragon777
May 17, 2014

They'd be a lot more scary if they were more than an inch tall each.

Since this thread is on food chat:

Are there any good non-gyro/Meditteranean, non-Desi halal places in Houston? Yelp and Google are of very little help when searching for specifically halal places, and it always gravitates towards specifically those types of foods. It feels really limiting!

Edit: Culver's cheese curds are great, it's a shame it's basically opposite of my work =/

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

devildragon777 posted:

Culver's cheese curds are great, it's a shame it's basically opposite of my work =/

do you do angioplasty

devildragon777
May 17, 2014

They'd be a lot more scary if they were more than an inch tall each.

i say swears online posted:

do you do angioplasty

Uh...what?

saintonan
Dec 7, 2009

Fields of glory shine eternal

He meant opposite in direction, I think, not opposite as in healthy/unhealthy.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Never thought the Texas thread would be this excited about a Wisconsin fast food chain.

Culver's is actually one of the closest fast food places to where I live, but I usually pass it over because there's fast food that I know better just a little further. I got the butter burger once and wasn't really impressed, maybe I'll go sometime again and get something else.

devildragon777
May 17, 2014

They'd be a lot more scary if they were more than an inch tall each.

saintonan posted:

He meant opposite in direction, I think, not opposite as in healthy/unhealthy.

Yes, this. Sorry for not clarifying =<

Marxalot
Dec 24, 2008

Appropriator of
Dan Crenshaw's Eyepatch

SlothfulCobra posted:

Never thought the Texas thread would be this excited about a Wisconsin fast food chain.

Culver's is actually one of the closest fast food places to where I live, but I usually pass it over because there's fast food that I know better just a little further. I got the butter burger once and wasn't really impressed, maybe I'll go sometime again and get something else.

We can only bitch at eachother about Whataburger so many times.



Also culver's is like, 30mi away up in Atascocita. No wonder I've never seen one.

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

With whataburger having a Chicago based firm as majority owner, one could call them a Midwest fast food chain as well.

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


Democratic Pirate posted:

With whataburger having a Chicago based firm as majority owner, one could call them a Midwest fast food chain as well.

Thems almost fighting words...

Active Quasar
Feb 22, 2011
I have yet to try Whataburger.

Hubcap grill will be the death of me though.

Forseti
May 26, 2001
To the lovenasium!
My first Whataburger experience was underwhelming because you pretty much have to design your own burger and I didn't know what to put on it. But then they sent me some coupons for the Monterey Melt burger in the mail and it was awesome. More freedom isn't always good Texas!

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

devildragon777 posted:

Since this thread is on food chat:

Are there any good non-gyro/Meditteranean, non-Desi halal places in Houston? Yelp and Google are of very little help when searching for specifically halal places, and it always gravitates towards specifically those types of foods. It feels really limiting!

Edit: Culver's cheese curds are great, it's a shame it's basically opposite of my work =/

There are lots of halal places all around Little India/Gandhi District/Whatever they are calling it these days. Most places don't have a big presence in the white people world. Al Aseel at Dunvale and Richmond is good. There is a Lebanese bakery/deli off Westheimer around Hillcroft/South Voss that I am spacing on the name of.

Marxalot
Dec 24, 2008

Appropriator of
Dan Crenshaw's Eyepatch
https://twitter.com/cd_hooks/status/1265471558849564672?s=20

GamingHyena
Jul 25, 2003

Devil's Advocate

Forseti posted:

My first Whataburger experience was underwhelming because you pretty much have to design your own burger and I didn't know what to put on it. But then they sent me some coupons for the Monterey Melt burger in the mail and it was awesome. More freedom isn't always good Texas!

I find this post baffling because Whataburgers come with pretty standard default burger settings unless you specifically tell them otherwise. The only customization I ever ask for is grilled onions. Or just ask or an avocado bacon burger and enjoy a small slice of heaven.




On the other hand Wich Wich requires you to fill out a form if you want a drat sandwich and it probably would be more efficient if they let me go back to the kitchen and build it myself.

GamingHyena fucked around with this message at 04:24 on May 27, 2020

Marxalot
Dec 24, 2008

Appropriator of
Dan Crenshaw's Eyepatch
Yeah I highly recommend the standard cheeseburger with no tomatoes. Double meat if you want to be a big beefy boi. Triple meat just isnt v.good imo. You're entering dangerously beefy territory with that one and won't taste much else, but it'll gently caress up your hangover so that's cool I guess.
Grilled onion is also a good add but I like the crisp bite of the regular ones. You can also do this same burger but with jalapenos. I don't know what menu number that one is but it has it's own picture.



This advice goes for any burg.

Marxalot fucked around with this message at 04:30 on May 27, 2020

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

Patty melt > standard burger at whataburger

Any first real whataburger experience was a drunk honey butter chicken biscuit at 2am, so everything has really been downhill from there.

Forseti
May 26, 2001
To the lovenasium!
I can't be trusted with that kind of power. You should see me try to make a plate at a Mongolian barbecue. Turns out you can't just pick every single thing that you like individually, add them all together, and get something good.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
The correct Whataburger is the #4 all the way. In Texas, pickled jalapenos are default pickles and yellow cheese is a food group. Even in pizza places in Texas, one of the best toppings you can order is jalapenos. The magic of Whataburger is that they get that what most people want here is a tangy, salty peasant food - and it's loving good lol.

More Texas foodchat: the margarita was invented in the mafia casinos of Galveston.

Also, please enjoy this photo I took yesterday passing a bar in Santa Fe, of all places - yes, the "8A" is "8AM but we ran out of letters, because it's Santa Fe.":

ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 04:59 on May 27, 2020

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

one trend i've noticed in the state is that in the last couple decades, restaurants are putting out spicier jalapenos. even dominos has spicy slices now

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

ReindeerF posted:

More Texas foodchat: the margarita was invented in the mafia casinos of Galveston.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margarita#Origin

:thunk: galveston can't have everything

Forseti
May 26, 2001
To the lovenasium!
I am down with this. And yeah, the jalapenos here do seem a lot spicier, I've gotten some pretty potent ones with banh-mis and pho. I dunno if they're just fresher or everyone else removes the seeds or what but I approve! I might have to go get a #4 tomorrow for lunch.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
El Paso and its sister city always be up in G-Town's jock causing issues.

Everyone from the Houston area knows the truth.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

i hear they put Tony's in margs in houston

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

Forseti posted:

I am down with this. And yeah, the jalapenos here do seem a lot spicier, I've gotten some pretty potent ones with banh-mis and pho. I dunno if they're just fresher or everyone else removes the seeds or what but I approve! I might have to go get a #4 tomorrow for lunch.
The Vietnamese joints around here tend to use straight up slices without coring them, which is interesting, because in SEA Vietnamese is not particularly spicy and the chilis you get are pretty weak. I think it's a (welcome) adaptation. Just stopped in Pulashus last weekend for pho and it is still legit good. Houston has great pho, but you have to watch out for the lazy need joints making it with palo five spice powder instead of making a real broth.

In Houston the sign you're at a really good pho place is the windows are blacked out, the bathroom is dirty, the service is questionable and there's a "Cafe" next door with even more blacked out windows that you're not allowed in unless you're Vietnamese that will be busted in the future because it's topless Vietnamese women serving coffee and tea to old Vietnamese men. In the rural areas it's often just more legit because why else would it be there, heh.

Anyway, I have a 15 minute pickled jalapeno recipe that needs about 2 hours of cooling and if you don't seed/core them they're baseline hot for Thailand, while most people here who aren't Nortenos will act like a Midwesterner eating their first ketchup packet. The legit chilis down here are seriously good and hot.

i say swears online posted:

i hear they put Tony's in margs in houston
Well, yeah, in The Woodlands.

ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 05:31 on May 27, 2020

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Don't just change the topic like that. This is classic whataburgism.

I still miss the A1 burger. I like vinegar in my food. Also it was a great shape for eating on the go, because it went for being wider instead of taller, so you could stick it in your mouth easier. Also gives more room for more onion to fit easily in the sandwich. I guess it doesn't really matter though, since I no longer live in Denton so I'm not constantly surrounded by whataburgers at all time and the only one I know is really out of the way.

Thinking about other fast food around here, I'd feel uncomfortable about getting Panda Express because it's just sitting out there kinda in the open. I remember thinking towards the beginning of the pandemic that Pie Five would probably be one of the safest fast food options, because everything goes through an oven without needing anybody to touch it after the fact, so that would probably sanitize it? Although then there's delivery pizza instead.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
Anything that remotely describes any part of its menu as "Asian Cuisine" or features more than one Asian Cuisine is a hard no.

The A1 burger is basically English food. I'm pretty sure they boil it. The recipe is dictated by Whitehall. My friend works for The Government, so this is probably true.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

the A1 was so unique because every other bbq sauce on a burger in this country is sweet baby rays

ReindeerF posted:

The A1 burger is basically English food. I'm pretty sure they boil it. The recipe is dictated by Whitehall. My friend works for The Government, so this is probably true.

lol

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Forseti
May 26, 2001
To the lovenasium!
You say yellow cheese is the truth but the smoked cheddar on the jalapeno burger is pretty tempting. Is it crap?

Also I forgot about the spicy ketchup at whataburger, that stuff is awesome. Even their regular ketchup is a lot better than a normal chain, I didn't know y'all took ketchup so seriously.

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