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Star
Jul 15, 2005

Guerilla war struggle is a new entertainment.
Fallen Rib
Hasn’t she been in several games lately? Think she went 2-0 in MSB

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Erdricks
Sep 8, 2005

There's nothing refreshing like a sauna!

Star posted:

Hasn’t she been in several games lately? Think she went 2-0 in MSB

Weren't MSB games were one sided affairs, meme picks so to speak. IIRC, the most recent Valeera pick was more serious?

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
No, there are just some dim people online who seem to get a sexual thrill out of claiming Valeera and Hammer are bad/easily counterable despite any evidence to the contrary. Like hammer, she was a real pick.

Midnightghoul
Oct 1, 2003

COME ON DON'T BE SCURRED
Valeera with Abathur has been played like 3 or 4 times recently in pro games, seems like mostly on Sky Temple and used to try to pick off rotations and assassins not with the healer or tank

I was surprised to see Yrel a decent amount this weekend considering it is the release version Yrel, will probably see a lot more of her next week when it shifts to live patch with her E build

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


finally getting caught up in the MSB playoffs and god drat that Fnatic v Method series gave me chills

moush
Aug 19, 2009

Rage Your Dream
From an interview about the Raynor and Azmo reworks:

quote:

We’d like to see a lot of our specialist heroes also be able to contribute to team fights so it doesn’t become a chore to run around and chase them down to try and stop their pushing potential.

...

That was the main focus. It is not always fun to play against Azmodan and we wanted to make that more fun for both players.

So people that enjoy macro are not allowed to have as much fun. I'm not looking forward to these changes in their design philosophy.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

moush posted:

From an interview about the Raynor and Azmo reworks:


So people that enjoy macro are not allowed to have as much fun. I'm not looking forward to these changes in their design philosophy.

Characters built around ignoring objectives and teamfights are not actually good design. Basically all the splitpush characters are pubstompers at best. If you have a coordinated team they just get shut down.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
I think the change with asmo may be "perhaps he shouldn't be able to chase someone without a stun out of his lane all of the time forever"

Polio Vax Scene
Apr 5, 2009



moush posted:

From an interview about the Raynor and Azmo reworks:


So people that enjoy macro are not allowed to have as much fun. I'm not looking forward to these changes in their design philosophy.

good.

Erdricks
Sep 8, 2005

There's nothing refreshing like a sauna!

fool_of_sound posted:

Characters built around ignoring objectives and teamfights are not actually good design. Basically all the splitpush characters are pubstompers at best. If you have a coordinated team they just get shut down.

Can't you just be happy that hammer is meta now?

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
https://heroesofthestorm.com/en-us/blog/21907096/heroes-of-the-storm-ptr-notes-july-2-2018-2018-7-2/

Third ban, matchmaking changes, rank decay, map changes, big patch.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
I certainly am. Q-ing every wave and using trait on cooldown isn't impressive gameplay.

Right now the unfun part of azmodan is borne by your team (effectively 4v5 all game) and the enemy team (clearing waves all game). I think split pushing will always exist and should be an option but it should be punishable/require exposure to risk by the person doing it (like dehaka). Every hero participates in macro, azmodan just does it in an unpunishable way.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

I see they failed to fix the actual problem with Altarac, which is that the first objective is too powerful and leads to a near unwinnable snowball.

Snacksmaniac
Jan 12, 2008

Not on youtube but hell yea!
https://twitter.com/BlizzHeroes/status/1013829661820764161

Midnightghoul
Oct 1, 2003

COME ON DON'T BE SCURRED
Boo no C tier goblin hero

Eraflure
Oct 12, 2012



Oh gently caress off with the decay.

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

quote:

Braxis Holdout
Beacons
Now become contested immediately when Heroes from both teams are on the point.
:aaa:

quote:

Time Trap (E)
Melee Heroes who can see a Time Trap can now use melee attacks to destroy it without triggering its effects.
:pusheen:

quote:

Abilities: Fixed an issue in which certain Abilities, like Stukov’s Lurking Arm, could be unintentionally canceled immediately after casting.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Eraflure posted:

Oh gently caress off with the decay.
Rank decay has been a long-standing demand from high ranked players. Asking someone to play a ranked game every two or three weeks isn't a lot to ask.

Midnightghoul
Oct 1, 2003

COME ON DON'T BE SCURRED
The Raynor trait name change is the best result of Reddit complaining yet

Orthodox Rabbit
Jun 2, 2006

This game is perfect for empty-headed dunces that don't like to think much!! Of course, I'm a genius... I wonder why I'm so good at it?!

Midnightghoul posted:

The Raynor trait name change is the best result of Reddit complaining yet

Woah nice I didn't even see that.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

fool_of_sound posted:

Characters built around ignoring objectives and teamfights are not actually good design. Basically all the splitpush characters are pubstompers at best. If you have a coordinated team they just get shut down.

You fuckers better keep your filthy claws off my good fish boy at least

Yukari
Feb 17, 2011

"That's going in the cringe reel for sure."


Does the beacon becoming contested mean that it stalls out the progress made if there's a fight on there?

Midnightghoul
Oct 1, 2003

COME ON DON'T BE SCURRED
Watching mewnfare test out Jimmy and he's got quite a lot of pepper now

Oh man you can use the Raynor's Raider to scout now with the 20

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

Yukari posted:

Does the beacon becoming contested mean that it stalls out the progress made if there's a fight on there?
Yes, that's exactly what it means and it's a huge change. It means you can't just hodor on a point, you have to actually push the enemy team off the point.

Ritznit
Dec 19, 2012

I'm crackers for cheese.

Ultra Carp
Immortan Azmodan and Ghost Rider Jimmy. Awesome.

Ort
Jul 3, 2005

Proud graduate of the Andy Reid coaching clinic.
What's with all the Cassia buffs lately? She's seemed fine to me for a long time, especially her damage, pick and win rate seem fine for her role, but they've buffed her the last 3 patches.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
The devs seem to be buffing all of the traditional AA dps post-Fenix release (first Lunara, then Cassia, Jimmy) to bring them up closer to his level. I'm not sure what the plan is but maybe they were all weak idk.

For what it's worth her health increase was theoretically compensation for her trait nerf and this feels more like QoL (like the chromie micro-nerf)

No Wave fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Jul 2, 2018

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
I think the change this patch was just so she could break stealth and mounts with blinding light since that's a pretty tiny amount of damage.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


Eraflure posted:

Oh gently caress off with the decay.

Decay is good and if you don't like it then you're part of the problem.

Orthodox Rabbit
Jun 2, 2006

This game is perfect for empty-headed dunces that don't like to think much!! Of course, I'm a genius... I wonder why I'm so good at it?!
whats the deal with blizz actually making me play the game now??

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
I'm not diamond so I'm not subject to this decay. I seem to get mmr decay anyways whenever I play the game these days tho.

skipThings
May 21, 2007

Tell me more about this
"Wireless fun-adaptor" you were speaking of.

Macaluso posted:

You fuckers better keep your filthy claws off my good fish boy at least

just a matter of time :)

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Midnightghoul posted:

The Raynor trait name change is the best result of Reddit complaining yet

Hell yes it is. I had a big ol' grin on my face as soon as I saw it.

Also buying that Jimmy skin pack.

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!
I just tested braxis in a custom match. 100% waves are the same but a 0% wave is now 19,130 health which translates to an ultralisk, a guardian, two hydralisks, and some zerglings and banelings. The point turns yellow the instant you step onto it, no delay.

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
Any idea how much damage a 0% wave does if you leave it uncontested?

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


new jimmy good, has many builds

new azmodan good @ teamfights, suffers from best build syndrome

Corsair Pool Boy
Dec 17, 2004
College Slice

Sindai posted:

Any idea how much damage a 0% wave does if you leave it uncontested?

With the Guardian, probably quite a bit. Someone will need to at least swing by to pop it

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


new banshee has the same amount of problems as the old banshee, except different

would probably be better if it did half of the current DPS and was invulnerable

edit: part of the reason why new banshee is bad is that it isn't affected by Inspire

Kith fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Jul 2, 2018

ToastyPotato
Jun 23, 2005

CONVICTED OF DISPLAYING HIS PEANUTS IN PUBLIC
GM streams are going to be like more than 50% playing a different game during queues now lol.

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
Finally we can say hots is a real moba.

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Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


Super important: Demonic Smite prioritizes high health minions AND prefers ranged minions over melee, meaning that it is being used at maximum efficiency at a times.

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