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Bobulus posted:Ah, while we know there were countless troll beta timelines (one for each Aradia bot, at the very least), we only know of two Beta timelines for the kids: The one where John died, and the one that Terezi made by coinflipping with Dave. And both are represented here. I don't know if anyone else mentioned this and I missed it, but there's one other alternate timeline--the one caused by a Dave going back in time to find out who took Rose's journals, and promptly being stabbed by DD. I recall Hussie confirming in an ancient Formspring response that there was a doomed John/Rose/Jade to go along with him, but I hate Formspring too much to bother looking. EDIT: Oh, hey! This timeline actually is represented in the flash too, by the other Dave in the Dreambubbles. nerdbot fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Jul 28, 2012 |
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CidGregor posted:I recognize some bridges from Do you Remem8er Me in that part of the sequence, that might be what you're recognizing. After going through the Homestuck music library (who could have ever thought there would be this much music devoted to a webcomic???), I've come up with Ruins (with Strings) and Awakening Awakening is the one I was trying to remember. Mr. D Bewildering fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jul 28, 2012 |
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"Savior of the Dreaming Dead" indeed. Lord English being a double-self-prototyped double-sprite who is also a god-tier player who is combined with a bunch of other crazy nonsense is both sensible (though we don't have a clear view of what exactly happened) and terrifying. He has one weakness, and only Roxy knows it, and she doesn't know that it is his weakness. Oxxidation posted:The green sun is the dying red sun that's slowly getting prototyped by LE's kernelsprite. At some point he presumably adds something else to it to make it a) green, and b) an immortal icon of evil. We already saw how the Green Sun was created, and it wasn't this way. YF-23 posted:I think it's because we see him alongside Caliborn: considering them as the same being, LE lacks many of the humanising elements Caliborn has. His smirk, his eyes, his posing. LE is much more cold and monstrous in contrast, which leaves the implication that down the line Caliborn underwent a terrible transformation. Not to mention something replaced his eyes with billiard balls. Pessimism posted:I wonder if the dead dream bubble inhabitants go to a regular, non players-only afterlife? That would be pretty I'd guess that it sends them to the real afterlife, which we're never going to see. GrizzlyCow posted:It is hard to imagine Caliborn as Lord English if only because his jeering with Dirk. He seemed too pathetic to be Lord English. The hints were always there, though. Could be he just grew up. Though there's clearly more to see. creationist believer posted:Get ready for panel after panel of tepid porn. I was born ready.
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Bongo Bill posted:We already saw how the Green Sun was created, and it wasn't this way. No, we saw how it was recreated. Weird time poo poo aside, if Lord English has an origin despite being constantly re-iterated throughout every session of Sburb, then so does the sun.
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Oxxidation posted:No, we saw how it was recreated. Weird time poo poo aside, if Lord English has an origin despite being constantly re-iterated throughout every session of Sburb, then so does the sun. That was the creation of the sun. It exists at all times simultaneously, so it doesnt matter when it was created.
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I'd really hate to see what's going down in Calliope and Caliborn's Medium right now.
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Just asking but am I the only one worried about the plot of this thing? Have the kids, or any of the good guys ever done ANYTHING right at this point? I kinda want to see them win a fight that isn't just against some imps already. Story spent a few years building up Jack; and I genuinely forgot he existed till this flash because it's been LE's show for some time now. I dunno, I think I'm just losing sight on this series because it doesn't feel like it's been going anywhere, "Yeah the stakes have never been higher!" is all fine and dandy but they haven't even finished anything before this. There's no need to show LE when I don't even think the kids can deal with Jack still. Edit: I mean I don't expect them to win against LE yet; but would kinda like to see them vs Jack or SOMETHING. A gigantic chunk of characters are shown in god tier outfits, but no matter what all's we see of them, is them dying or getting beaten anyway. ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Jul 29, 2012 |
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Sburb is a game, right? In A1, a bunch of filthy casuals had a good time but didn't do very well. In A2, some more talented players got very gung-ho about it and won, though they missed out on some of the subtleties. B1 was a speedrun, and B2 is looking like it will be some kind of challenge run. In this analogy, Caliborn is a powergaming griefer who uses every exploit available, aggressively.
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Update. Looks like the flash was the end of 6.3 after all.
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Glory of Arioch posted:Update. Most of the EoA flashes weren't titled End of Act Whatever but instead stuff like "Enter", "Descend", or "Cascade".
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I just don't think Homestuck is the type of story to have a huge boss fight at the end of it. Right now is sort of an interesting time for the story, as all of the kids and trolls have completed their objectives that have defined them up to this point, and now just have to meet up, and decide what to do with the b2 session and lord English. As for jack noir, he is not a big threat right now. PM + any kid can defeat him soundly, but I am not sure that any kind of fight will happen at all. Also, 3 weeks until A6I3 folks. Hang in there.
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tinaun posted:I just don't think Homestuck is the type of story to have a huge boss fight at the end of it. Right now is sort of an interesting time for the story, as all of the kids and trolls have completed their objectives that have defined them up to this point, and now just have to meet up, and decide what to do with the b2 session and lord English. As for jack noir, he is not a big threat right now. PM + any kid can defeat him soundly, but I am not sure that any kind of fight will happen at all. Conventional force has been worthless against every major antagonist from Bec Noir onward, it's true. Even if LE could be killed in the matter of a regular game boss, doing so would also kill everyone else in the universe, since he's set things up so that the Alpha Timeline depends on his continued existence.
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Yeah, you can't really win a fight with a load-bearing boss when the load he's bearing is literally everything. Beyond that he has internalized what amounts to the full power of an undead multiverse. His defeat will either be the most meta thing this comic has done to date, or he will not actually be defeated at all. Maybe both?
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Thundarr posted:Yeah, you can't really win a fight with a load-bearing boss when the load he's bearing is literally everything. Beyond that he has internalized what amounts to the full power of an undead multiverse. His defeat will either be the most meta thing this comic has done to date, or he will not actually be defeated at all. Maybe both? English has to die, or at least be stopped in a permanent and unpleasant fashion. He's a malignant cancer on all universes, he slaughters everything in his path, and he's a total jerk. The story wouldn't have anything close to an appropriate denouement if he didn't get his.
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Gabriel Pope posted:Also, in mathematical logic ~ is standard notation for "not." ~U would be the opposite of U. Note that the second act is also called 'Raise of the Conductor's Baton', so there's that too. I think that there might be some sort of connection/symbolism between LE and the B1 kids at least- there's the mention of conductor's batons that GP pointed out for Rose, and for Dave there's kind of a reflection in how both Dave and Caliborn seem to live under an an oppressive red sun (Dave's has swirls too). This was even reinforced through the scene transfers in the flash I think. In addition, for some reason I think I recall people theorizing there being some association between Caliborn/Lord English and the unseen riddler mentioned here, although I can't remember why. So theorizing a bit here, while I can't see any connection with Jade's special poem thing and Caliborn/LE, maybe the poem might refer to both Jade/her land and Calliope and foreshadow some future development? Calliope is also a space player so she is associated with the forge as well, could mean that she's been 'quelled' beneath Caliborn, but could wake later. There's some precedent to this too, what with Calliope telling Roxy her name as well as its properties.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:This has been a theory ever since Lord English was first mentioned, since his name is similar to Richard "Lord British" Garriot, video game developer who used Lord British as his alter ego in his games. If this is true it would explain how LE's presence in Paradox Space is sanctioned despite his apparent destructiveness: he created the Sburb game and can sanction whatever he drat well pleases. It would also fit very nicely with UU/uu's apparent nature as exaggerations of the fandom: the kinds of powers on display here seem like exactly the sort of thing someone like uu would give to a terrible self-insert fan character.
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:I don't think this was the same bubble... more likely it's some other bubble they're passing right before the upcoming year 2 intermission. It's a bunch of entirely different people in there, too. It's a bubble they already left. It's from [S] Roxy: Sleepwalk.
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I'm laying even odds on Jack Noir switching sides now. We've seen before that Jacks don't really people in positions of power over him, and be they Queens, Docs, or Lords, he's going to do everything he can to take them down, even if that means teaming up with people he hates. Now whether anyone would accept that help at this point? Ehh.... GrizzlyCow posted:So, anyway, guys does it seem like Lord English is targeting Dave? In the dream bubble thing, that quest bed's looked like Dave's. Why was the dead people congregating there? I'm probably missing something, but do you think Lord English is/will begin assaulting Time players? Well, uu is also a time player. Since dreambubbles show your memories around you, maybe LE landing caused the Green House and Time Quest Bed of his memories to appear there.
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Do we know where the cruxtruder came from or is that theory fodder for the time being?
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Caliborn's land is gonna be something like Land of Felt and Mansions, if I had to take a guess.
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Bell_ posted:I'm wondering if Lord English is not some instant transformation of Caliborn, but the slow, dreadful, purposeful metamorphosis of one who's been at this for a while-going in after beating his game, then beating everyone else's one by one by subverting the rules and intentions to suit his own purposes. So maybe the player entering the universe that they create is like a New Game+ option?
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Trebuchet King posted:Do we know where the cruxtruder came from or is that theory fodder for the time being? He probably just put it there himself. SBURB or whatever the game is called in this iteration would just focus in on his companion player and her house, which just happens to be himself, and his own house. Drop everything that is needed (expand the room for the Totem Lathe, put the Alchemiter somewhere borderline inaccessible), and essentially just play with yourself.
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Guys. What if... You know how Calliope is a greek mythology muse? What if uu's "super rare" class is just "knight" to tie in with his Excalibur name. That would make knight a rare, powerful class that we just happen to have two of. It would explain the weird glances at Dave (exact same class/title combo) and would imply that Karkat could one day be very powerful.
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Bobulus posted:Guys. What if... Hasn't it been stated that Caliborn's class is actually just 'Hero of Time'? I wouldn't put a reference like that past Hussie.
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Schir posted:Hasn't it been stated that Caliborn's class is actually just 'Hero of Time'? I wouldn't put a reference like that past Hussie. Everyone is a Hero. It's the generic title for a player of any class.
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Knights are servants, traditionally, owing fealty to a lord (one thing to consider is how funny Hussie would find it to tease his audience by throwing in a character who is a Time Lord). I don't think a "master" class would be anything that's so conspicuously removed from the top of its authority hierarchy. Recall that Aradia, herself a Maid, spoke to Dave of "the master we both serve." The use of that exact word, in such close proximity to other unwitting references to Lord English, suggests if nothing else that he outranks them. A knight isn't really a big deal the way a muse is, in legend. Schir posted:Hasn't it been stated that Caliborn's class is actually just 'Hero of Time'? I wouldn't put a reference like that past Hussie. Everyone is a Hero, and it's been confirmed that the class and aspect names are all monosyllabic.
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Bongo Bill posted:Everyone is a Hero, and it's been confirmed that the class and aspect names are all monosyllabic. How do people pronounce "seer?"
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Cavatica posted:How do people pronounce "seer?" Just as it's spelled. "See-er" is just one of two valid pronunciations.
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Bongo Bill posted:Just as it's spelled. "See-er" is just one of two valid pronunciations. Yeah, ok. I've always heard and pronounced it as "see-er," so I never really put much stock into the monosyllabic titles.
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Bongo Bill posted:Knights are servants, traditionally, owing fealty to a lord (one thing to consider is how funny Hussie would find it to tease his audience by throwing in a character who is a Time Lord). I don't think a "master" class would be anything that's so conspicuously removed from the top of its authority hierarchy. So the Lord of Time is also the Master? 
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Cavatica posted:Yeah, ok. I've always heard and pronounced it as "see-er," so I never really put much stock into the monosyllabic titles. I think how many syllables you pronounce in "seer" is one of those regional things, like vowel height, or whether someone calls it "pop" or "soda".
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YggiDee posted:I think how many syllables you pronounce in "seer" is one of those regional things, like vowel height, or whether someone calls it "pop" or "soda". "See-roy-er-ar." Homestar Runner and Homestuck, the crossover nobody asked for.
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A theory somebody just brought up to me elsewhere: Lord English is tearing through the dream bubbles killing everything that moves in an attempt to find and kill Calliope, so that she can't ever take control again. Didn't he say something about killing her twice?
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Fucknag posted:So the Lord of Time is also the Master? The problem with that is the fact that in the Homestuck universe, people who blunder out of magical phone booths are usually after throbbing beef truncheons.
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Bongo Bill posted:"See-roy-er-ar." Homestar Runner and Homestuck, the crossover nobody asked for. Or did they?! edit: Also, if this ends up with Dave vs. Lord English in a time-off, we're going to have to start cracking out the Primer-style timeline diagrams ShardPhoenix fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Jul 29, 2012 |
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ShardPhoenix posted:Also, if this ends up with Dave vs. Lord English in a time-off, we're going to have to start cracking out the Primer-style timeline diagrams Start, you say?
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A good poster posted:Start, you say? ShardPhoenix fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Jul 29, 2012 |
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Someone earlier mentioned this flash gave them a real [s] Descend vibe. I kind of felt that too, especially with the ending musical cue. And I wonder if like Descend, it'll mean that the next big flash continues off where this one started. On one hand, that'd mean we'd (yet again) see nothing of Jack and PM for a while, but on the other hand, we might get to see something interesting when we tune back in.
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