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Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you

Che Delilas posted:

Dealing with him changed my personality in a bad way and resulted in a significant period of unemployment while I put myself back together. If you're feeling lovely and abused, you aren't overreacting.

The day I put in my notice (I bothered to give notice at all because I liked my co-workers) was such a beautiful, uplifting day, even though I had weeks to go. Look forward to that.

I like to think that everybody has a story like this and goes through an experience like this. Not even just with regard to employment but to life stuff in general: maybe a nasty family member, maybe some troll on the internet, maybe a lovely neighbor...

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Vincent Valentine
Feb 28, 2006

Murdertime

Shirec posted:

We originally were in our own offices (some shared with two desks) but about a month ago he decided to move us all out to the table so we could let each other know about changes to the master and collaborate better. Theyre all working in one branch and I have my own for my work.

:staredog:

So, clearly they know how version control works if you have your own branch.

But, rather than having everyone cut their own branch, do some work, do a pull request and then after a code review merge it in, like every sane group ever, you guys just sit around a table and like...yell out that you added some stuff and just merge it in? Then everyone just...I dunno, rebases every single time and hopes for the best?

Because if it was such a problem before that people weren't being informed, I'm guessing that means changes to master happened and then people were only informed that it was altered after the fact. Am I getting that right? And the solution of making it easier to communicate changes wasn't even "Send an email and make sure people read it so we have references and history" it was "Everyone gather around this table like it's thanksgiving"?

You uhh...you mentioned you learned a lot in two months. I worry about how much of that has been valuable.

I don't want to disparage open-air setups. My office has really big cubicles called Pods where we just spin around our chair and have 3 people to talk to. Lots of open space. Encourages us to just spin around and ask a question where we would normally reconsider if it took the effort of sending an email. Definitely does encourage collaboration. But it sure as gently caress wasn't done as a solution to version control.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
Open air setups fall apart the moment you have someone who isn't considerate (or people who just like having some privacy). Quick questions can be directed over text/IM.

quote:

Encourages us to just spin around and ask a question where we would normally reconsider if it took the effort of sending an email.
This isn't really a good thing, either, especially if it's something that the person in question could just look up on their own. The person being asked has to stop what they're doing to answer the question or come off as being rude.

Having been in a shared open room, then a quiet shared office, then a shared open room, then a quiet office again, the open spaces are always noisier, more distracting, and detrimental to productivity. There's exceptions if you're working with someone closely on something specific, but most of the time it's just annoying.

Shirec
Jul 29, 2009

How to cock it up, Fig. I

Vincent Valentine posted:

:staredog:

So, clearly they know how version control works if you have your own branch.

But, rather than having everyone cut their own branch, do some work, do a pull request and then after a code review merge it in, like every sane group ever, you guys just sit around a table and like...yell out that you added some stuff and just merge it in? Then everyone just...I dunno, rebases every single time and hopes for the best?

Because if it was such a problem before that people weren't being informed, I'm guessing that means changes to master happened and then people were only informed that it was altered after the fact. Am I getting that right? And the solution of making it easier to communicate changes wasn't even "Send an email and make sure people read it so we have references and history" it was "Everyone gather around this table like it's thanksgiving"?

You uhh...you mentioned you learned a lot in two months. I worry about how much of that has been valuable.

I don't want to disparage open-air setups. My office has really big cubicles called Pods where we just spin around our chair and have 3 people to talk to. Lots of open space. Encourages us to just spin around and ask a question where we would normally reconsider if it took the effort of sending an email. Definitely does encourage collaboration. But it sure as gently caress wasn't done as a solution to version control.

Oh jeeze, yeah, we have really strict version control in our office. If I will say anything about my time that has been good, hes very strict about trying to do, or be close to, best practices. Only two people have access to change master and we all have to pass unit tests and code coverage.

The reason they are working in the same branch at the moment (I think, and I also think this reason is outdated but they are trying to move very quickly) is that they are all working on stuff that is tied together and needs to get tested as a whole. So one person would finish a section of a UI while another person worked on the backend. They also are pushing their branch to dev pretty frequently to test and whatnot (drop a lot of files in and see what happens mainly).

I currently dont worry about overlap cause I just make sure Im cool with master, but they do let each other know with each commit to do a pull so no one messes up anothers code.

Well go back to having all our own branches soon, but yeah, its a weird thing to do.

Edit: re-reading what I put earlier, sorry for the confusion, no one edits directly to the master. It was to collaborate on their shared branch, then push to master when appropriate

Shirec fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Dec 20, 2017

Smugworth
Apr 18, 2003


DELETE CASCADE posted:

from experience i can confirm that however exciting the lifestyle looks or sounds from the outside, "startup" the vast majority of the time simply means "lovely small business"

Someone posted a blog from Capital Factory, an Austin coworking space rental company, listing available internships from the startups they host on Reddit. After folks lambasted them for over half the internships being unpaid, the startup guys came out to respond largely with "but we're a startup, we can't afford to pay interns, they're are getting the opportunity to leeeeearn. :qq:" Still grinds my gears, I hope all their stupid apps failed just slow enough to cost them their house.

kitten smoothie
Dec 29, 2001

On the "local tech people" slack group for my city someone posted that their startup was looking to hire their first senior engineer.

You click through their posting and they're offering $45K-$75K with "generous equity."

I don't know a senior engineer who would work for that pay if you gave them 49% of the company.

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
some crazy thing
I have to wonder if all the startups that eventually got big also laughably underpaid their employees.

FZeroRacer
Apr 8, 2009
I figured I'd post this here because I think qualify more on the 'newbie' side of things as I near two years of experience. The gist is that I've been looking for a new job on the opposite coast but I've had zero luck in getting back any responses. I'm at my first job out of college and I'm starting to feel not only a bit underpaid but that the overall amount of stuff I'm learning has quickly gone down to zero and I don't want to be a person whose just a butt-in-seat guy.

I've tossed my resume out to friends before and have reworked it quite a few times but the fact that I've gotten no responses indicates to me it must be a resume problem. I don't hate my job at all; in fact I really like the people I work with but there's been a building concern that the longer I stay here the more locked in I get.

I think I can get through the interview phase, the problem is just reaching it. I've even had a few friends recommend me to their company with no response from said company. I'm not sure what the next step is beyond side projects but that's been difficult with how draining my job can be.

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

So hot ...
Redact your resume and post it. Tell us what coast you're trying to end up on. Describe your current place (product, language, etc.) and what you ideally want from the next one.

FZeroRacer
Apr 8, 2009

JawnV6 posted:

Redact your resume and post it. Tell us what coast you're trying to end up on. Describe your current place (product, language, etc.) and what you ideally want from the next one.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xULKnJACg2nHcHRZMuLFXuj1EzI_dlrC

I'm trying to end up back on the west coast, mainly because it would be closer to family. My current place doesn't really have a singular project because, well, it's a government contracting firm. Thankfully I've never had to touch some of the really awful stuff; I've been mainly working on new or modernish projects. I've spent the most amount of time developing in C# along with some Java in my second project. Which was a complete disaster, but only for reasons I'm willing to share once I'm gone :cripes:. It actually wasn't the fault of my company either but man.

Also I forgot to change it, but I do include my start date in my resume. What I'm looking for in my next job is something in the commercial sector with modern frameworks. I'm not really picky as long as the company isn't a complete disaster.

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

So hot ...
I've done consulting, it's understandable if projects go off the rails but do yourself a favor and cast it as "enjoy the excitement, but looking to work on something larger, take ownership, have a more stable work flow"

I would drop "Indie Game Modder" post-haste. I'm guessing you came up through a university, if you have a degree it isn't clear? Have the game engine, mods, and other passion projects is great, but having "Modder" in the title seems.. unserious? I don't want to knock it, but I think your other work and accomplishments would fare better without the association.

What kind of places are your friends at? I don't really blame startups that don't take 2 year experience engineers.

FZeroRacer
Apr 8, 2009

JawnV6 posted:

I've done consulting, it's understandable if projects go off the rails but do yourself a favor and cast it as "enjoy the excitement, but looking to work on something larger, take ownership, have a more stable work flow"

I would drop "Indie Game Modder" post-haste. I'm guessing you came up through a university, if you have a degree it isn't clear? Have the game engine, mods, and other passion projects is great, but having "Modder" in the title seems.. unserious? I don't want to knock it, but I think your other work and accomplishments would fare better without the association.

What kind of places are your friends at? I don't really blame startups that don't take 2 year experience engineers.
Oh yeah, if I was going to spin it that's how I was looking to do it. I would never mention any of the negatives about my company.

The only reason why I'm reluctant to drop the indie game modder title is because ironically, that's what got me my current job. The person who started the interview process was also a huge modder in his early years and took it as a huge positive. You're right though that I should drop it and just let the mod speak for itself. And yeah I graduated with a BS in CompSci.

I've had a friend working at Microsoft put in a recommendation for me as well as someone in a smaller (but not a startup-tier) company.

anglachel
May 28, 2012
Hmm, so I just got a call from HR person telling me I should expect a formal offer to drop this week after doing one of the more unusual interviews I"ve done.

I just graduated in July with one of those career change Masters (Did the UWG one) and have been working at small companies that mostly dont have their poo poo at all together and lie to me about doing actual dev work. This is an actual major Fortune 500 company, so I'm pretty excited.

But yeah, interview was 2 group interviews. First was put together a function using code snippets along with your teammates. The gimmick seemed to be the code wasn't actually functional. But I made sure to correct teammates about stuff (stuff like if it's upper case it's referring to object classes and not a variable) and the interviewers eyes lit up when I mentioned handling exceptions via annotations and consider adding synchronization. They also seemed to really like when I said my first instinct when seeing nested For Loops was if the solution could be changed to use a HashMap/Dictionary style solution instead.

The second part was where it was weird. We were to do the high level design of a program. We got a list of requirements to complete a project involving scanning computers for social security numbers anywhere on the machine, and then where told what the companies core values were and that those should be taken as the paramount. The requirement was to scan a computer and if there was ANY social security numbers on the machine whatsoever, whoever was logged on to the machine would get their account locked. This would scan all company machines except mobile devices and would also be expected to run on any laptops and home machines you used to work on company projects . Additional requirements included!

*We were then told company Core Values were Productivity and Safety of Employees
*SSN's were defined as ANY string of 9 numeric digits together
*Application needed to have access to hidden system files
*Application needed to work on all machines (Linux, MacOS, and Windows)
*Application would scan a computer then lock out whoever used it Accounts unless that person removed the offending number within 24 hours, and then send them an hourly email until they did
*Application would create a log of file locations that were problematic and send them to the security team
*Application would have access to the account database to deactivate accounts
*The cherry on top? Application must not cause any performance decrease on any machine it ran on.

One team mate tried to make it for them. Other team mate just kinda got a deer in the head lights look. When it came time to present I just stated that we shouldn't go forward with the application as is, went over how several of the requirements would violate company core values, but that perhaps the concept could be reworked if we changed the scope.

Apparently I made the right call, sense i got the offer. Still never ran into an interview where the correct call was to say "gently caress this application and the horse it rode in on!" in a nice way. In retrospect I guess being able to explain why all that crap was a bad idea does require you to demonstrate knowledge but still very weird.

anglachel fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Dec 21, 2017

Capri Sun Tzu
Oct 24, 2017

by Reene

anglachel posted:

One team mate tried to make it for them. Other team mate just kinda got a deer in the head lights look. When it came time to present I just stated that we shouldn't go forward with the application as is, went over how several of the requirements would violate company core values, but that perhaps the concept could be reworked if we changed the scope.

Apparently I made the right call, sense i got the offer. Still never ran into an interview where the correct call was to say "gently caress this application and the horse it rode in on!" in a nice way. In retrospect I guess being able to explain why all that crap was a bad idea does require you to demonstrate knowledge but still very weird.
That's amazing. A company who is actively screening for employees who will step up and say, "No, we can't do what you've requested because XYZ" indicates a company culture where management actively listens to their developers.

CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.
That would have been the greatest corporate application in history.

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.

FZeroRacer posted:

Oh yeah, if I was going to spin it that's how I was looking to do it. I would never mention any of the negatives about my company.

The only reason why I'm reluctant to drop the indie game modder title is because ironically, that's what got me my current job. The person who started the interview process was also a huge modder in his early years and took it as a huge positive. You're right though that I should drop it and just let the mod speak for itself. And yeah I graduated with a BS in CompSci.

I've had a friend working at Microsoft put in a recommendation for me as well as someone in a smaller (but not a startup-tier) company.

I agree with JawnV6's thoughts, and have some to add:

"Helped design" isn't a great way to present yourself, especially as the first thing in the first section a human is likely to read. Is there something more specific you can use, preferably something that highlights your contribution?

Is "real-world scenario" part of the redaction? If not, can you be more specific?

Is there a better way to describe the "custom REST endpoint" under PROJECT2? The way it's described makes it sound like your responsibility was to create literally one endpoint that accepts a file upload.

Can you quantify "quick" and "without hassle" in your data ingestion scheme?

Can you quantify the time saved by your extensible driver?

I'd consider reducing the college project section. If you have two years of experience but are still leaning on a college project, hiring managers will see a red flag.

FYI, the mod you wrote has more people using it than many companies have using their product. It's something you can be proud of, especially if you were the sole contributor to it.

FZeroRacer
Apr 8, 2009

fantastic in plastic posted:

I agree with JawnV6's thoughts, and have some to add:

"Helped design" isn't a great way to present yourself, especially as the first thing in the first section a human is likely to read. Is there something more specific you can use, preferably something that highlights your contribution?

Is "real-world scenario" part of the redaction? If not, can you be more specific?

Is there a better way to describe the "custom REST endpoint" under PROJECT2? The way it's described makes it sound like your responsibility was to create literally one endpoint that accepts a file upload.

Can you quantify "quick" and "without hassle" in your data ingestion scheme?

Can you quantify the time saved by your extensible driver?

I'd consider reducing the college project section. If you have two years of experience but are still leaning on a college project, hiring managers will see a red flag.

FYI, the mod you wrote has more people using it than many companies have using their product. It's something you can be proud of, especially if you were the sole contributor to it.
Thank you! I'll be integrating your feedback into my next resume version. Real-world scenario was part of the redaction since it was a bit too specific. And you got me with the REST endpoint stuff. You could push up a file containing some geometry and that was about it. I was trying to include some REST-based stuff I had worked on to diversify my resume a bit and hopefully get past some of the early resume filters but it wasn't anything too special.

That's part of the rut I find myself in: I feel like I haven't really worked on anything really impressive so it's especially hard to write about it in my resume. Combined with a growing lack of things to grow my software skills it's hard to hone my resume. Which also adds to my desperation to find something new.

anglachel
May 28, 2012

CPColin posted:

That would have been the greatest corporate application in history.

I mean I was sweating bullets becuse I didnt draw out the basic design of what was basically spyware / a virus, sense I got to demonstrate very few meaningful design skills other than saying "man this is terrible" and I figured being the negative nancy in a group wasnt the best way to go about things.

Does anyone have experience with paired programming environments? Cause thats what I'm apparently signing up for.

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



anglachel posted:

Does anyone have experience with paired programming environments? Cause thats what I'm apparently signing up for.

Nodding off and/or struggling to see/follow what's going on :geno:

Phraggah
Nov 11, 2011

A rocket fuel made of Doritos? Yeah, I could kind of see it.
I've been looking for a month or two at this point, and I feel like my resume isn't getting the attention it should be. It's been very hard to get responses in general and I'm not sure if that's my resume's fault or just the world working more and more on nepotism.

Any resume advice would be helpful (link). Context is I'm looking at both software dev and data science stuff. It's also be super helpful to check out those code samples on the repository linked on my resume.

FZeroRacer posted:

I'm at my first job out of college and I'm starting to feel not only a bit underpaid but that the overall amount of stuff I'm learning has quickly gone down to zero and I don't want to be a person whose just a butt-in-seat guy.

I've tossed my resume out to friends before and have reworked it quite a few times but the fact that I've gotten no responses indicates to me it must be a resume problem. I don't hate my job at all; in fact I really like the people I work with but there's been a building concern that the longer I stay here the more locked in I get.

I think I can get through the interview phase, the problem is just reaching it. I've even had a few friends recommend me to their company with no response from said company. I'm not sure what the next step is beyond side projects but that's been difficult with how draining my job can be.

Holy crap, are you me?? I've also been chalking it up to the holidays.

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer
How is your cover letter game?

I got zero responses until I started using a cover letter template that's like 2 short paragraphs where I reference things about the company.

I still can't get a job, but that's how I started getting phone screenings.

Phraggah
Nov 11, 2011

A rocket fuel made of Doritos? Yeah, I could kind of see it.

Snak posted:

How is your cover letter game?

I got zero responses until I started using a cover letter template that's like 2 short paragraphs where I reference things about the company.

I still can't get a job, but that's how I started getting phone screenings.

Here is the raw content from an example cover letter I sent out. The amount it changes based on how much I have to work with on the job posting/what knowledge I can dig up about it.

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer

Phraggah posted:

Here is the raw content from an example cover letter I sent out. The amount it changes based on how much I have to work with on the job posting/what knowledge I can dig up about it.

I'm hardly an expert, but what I've read is that you want the first sentence to really catch their attention, because if it doesn't they might not even read the rest of it. Your opening is about yourself and somewhat duplicates information found on your resume. Mine starts something like:

<Company> is known <jargon I found on their website>. My experience with <thing they use> and passion for <some principle they care about> makes me a good fit for the position of <job>

Or something like that. My logic being that this immediately communicates that a) I have researched the company and position at the least the bare minimum amount, and b) why I think I deserve to work there.

Again, I haven't had much luck, but this approach got me from zero responses at all to a half-dozen phone screenings.

huhu
Feb 24, 2006

Phraggah posted:

I've been looking for a month or two at this point, and I feel like my resume isn't getting the attention it should be. It's been very hard to get responses in general and I'm not sure if that's my resume's fault or just the world working more and more on nepotism.

Any resume advice would be helpful (link). Context is I'm looking at both software dev and data science stuff. It's also be super helpful to check out those code samples on the repository linked on my resume.


Holy crap, are you me?? I've also been chalking it up to the holidays.

Your resume is impossible to skim, which is what an employer is going to do. Pretend you have 30 seconds to read your resume, what are you actually going to take away in that time? Even your skills, which are bulleted, are too dense. Continuing on this theme, it's difficult to skim when the reader's eyes are darting from content that's right aligned, to left aligned, to center aligned. Consistent simple formatting is much easier to read. I'd just left align everything. These comments require pretty much a complete overhaul of your resume. I'd be up for giving more feedback if you take care of these points first. Be consistent with your dates as well. Probably just go with a month/year instead of mid which is a bit odd.

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.

huhu posted:

Your resume is impossible to skim, which is what an employer is going to do. Pretend you have 30 seconds to read your resume, what are you actually going to take away in that time? Even your skills, which are bulleted, are too dense. Continuing on this theme, it's difficult to skim when the reader's eyes are darting from content that's right aligned, to left aligned, to center aligned. Consistent simple formatting is much easier to read. I'd just left align everything. These comments require pretty much a complete overhaul of your resume. I'd be up for giving more feedback if you take care of these points first. Be consistent with your dates as well. Probably just go with a month/year instead of mid which is a bit odd.

I agree with this. The text is too dense, the formatting makes my eyes go all over the page which makes me not want to read it, and the light grey text makes it hard to read.

Also, I think the bullet points should focus on your accomplishments. There's a bunch of stuff in there that's unnecessary, like who you reported to or what the goal of a project was.

Portland Sucks
Dec 21, 2004
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
While we're doing this would you guys mind taking a look at my resume as well? I've got a job, but I've been shooting my resume out every now and then just to see if I get bites but I can't seem to get any callbacks.

Resume

huhu
Feb 24, 2006

Portland Sucks posted:

While we're doing this would you guys mind taking a look at my resume as well? I've got a job, but I've been shooting my resume out every now and then just to see if I get bites but I can't seem to get any callbacks.

Resume

Hmmm... this is the exact same formatting as my resume. Therefore, solid formatting. Easy to read/skim. Not necessarily too important but add more spacing, which makes it easier to read since you have a giant empty space at the bottom of the page. On abbreviations - https://robinresumes.com/2015/09/six-rules-for-using-acronyms-in-resumes/ I'm referring to stuff like HMI, ETI, UWP, etc. If you're considering a switch to a different sector besides working with crane operators, foremen, etc. I'd reconsider how your bullet points are read by a non engineer not in that sector (i.e. HR).

Overall I think it's pretty good. Perhaps, you're not hearing back because you've only been at your current place for 6 months? I'd try to stick it out at least a year. Don't want to end up with 6 months stints on your resume. Unless you interned and had a FT position at the same place. In which case, I might bunch the two together so it looks like you've been working there continuously for a year and a half.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

It always irritates me when I see HTML and CSS under "languages"...but maybe thats just me.

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

Thermopyle posted:

It always irritates me when I see HTML and CSS under "languages"...but maybe thats just me.

To be fair, it is "HyperText Markup Language"

Portland Sucks
Dec 21, 2004
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

huhu posted:

Hmmm... this is the exact same formatting as my resume. Therefore, solid formatting. Easy to read/skim. Not necessarily too important but add more spacing, which makes it easier to read since you have a giant empty space at the bottom of the page. On abbreviations - https://robinresumes.com/2015/09/six-rules-for-using-acronyms-in-resumes/ I'm referring to stuff like HMI, ETI, UWP, etc. If you're considering a switch to a different sector besides working with crane operators, foremen, etc. I'd reconsider how your bullet points are read by a non engineer not in that sector (i.e. HR).

Overall I think it's pretty good. Perhaps, you're not hearing back because you've only been at your current place for 6 months? I'd try to stick it out at least a year. Don't want to end up with 6 months stints on your resume. Unless you interned and had a FT position at the same place. In which case, I might bunch the two together so it looks like you've been working there continuously for a year and a half.

Actually yeah I was hired on as an intern over the summer of 2016, worked remote part time through my senior year and got hired full time last may. Is it not an issue squishing all that together into one year and a half long position?

Portland Sucks
Dec 21, 2004
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

Thermopyle posted:

It always irritates me when I see HTML and CSS under "languages"...but maybe thats just me.

Everything about resumes irritates me. Isn't the whole point just to get past the beep boop robot filters?

Capri Sun Tzu
Oct 24, 2017

by Reene

Thermopyle posted:

It always irritates me when I see HTML and CSS under "languages"...but maybe thats just me.
That's the most logical place on a resume for them, because they are languages. Not Turing-complete programming languages, but still closer semantically to that idea than anything else.

teen phone cutie
Jun 18, 2012

last year i rewrote something awful from scratch because i hate myself

Thermopyle posted:

It always irritates me when I see HTML and CSS under "languages"...but maybe thats just me.

If i make up my own secret language and try to talk you, youre probably going to think Im an rear end in a top hat, but Im still speaking a language

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

Yes, I didn't say they shouldn't be there. I certainly wouldn't add a section for non-Turing complete languages. That'd be even more irritating.

Depending on the positions I was applying for I might consider leaving them off though. For some positions saying you know html is like saying you know how to type.

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.

Portland Sucks posted:

While we're doing this would you guys mind taking a look at my resume as well? I've got a job, but I've been shooting my resume out every now and then just to see if I get bites but I can't seem to get any callbacks.

Resume

The formatting looks good.

Can you quantify more things? For instance,

"Automated ETL process with Python for storage into MySQL databases" could become "Automated ETL process for storage into databases, resulting in X hours saved per week".

"Built application to monitor log outputs, improving response time during system failures by Y%".

etc, etc.

If you don't have exact figures, it's okay to estimate to whatever degree of reasonableness you feel comfortable with and won't make you laugh if someone questions you about it in an interview. (If you're choosing between two equally reasonable estimates, go with the one that makes you look better.)

Also, minor grammar error in USMC operations - "transportations systems on ports, and terminals" doesn't need the comma since there's only two objects.

If you interned and are currently working at the same company, I think it's fine to combine them. You can mention "promoted from intern to factory engineer after X months" as a bullet point, if you like.

huhu
Feb 24, 2006

Thermopyle posted:

Yes, I didn't say they shouldn't be there. I certainly wouldn't add a section for non-Turing complete languages. That'd be even more irritating.

Depending on the positions I was applying for I might consider leaving them off though. For some positions saying you know html is like saying you know how to type.

My worst interview ever, perhaps not completely my fault, was a screen share where they said "...now make a button". I hadn't written <button> directly into a text editor in forever, and completely blanked. Had to pull up Stack Overflow. In my defense the entire thing was really awkward. "Now add some styling to that P tag." "What styling?" "Anything." "... uh ok..." What a coding exercise that was.

Portland Sucks posted:

Actually yeah I was hired on as an intern over the summer of 2016, worked remote part time through my senior year and got hired full time last may. Is it not an issue squishing all that together into one year and a half long position?

You could do something like
code:
Company FooBar          2014-2016
    Position Baz                 
        - blah blah
        - blah blah
    Position Buzz                  
        - blah blah
        - blah blah

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009

Thermopyle posted:

Yes, I didn't say they shouldn't be there. I certainly wouldn't add a section for non-Turing complete languages. That'd be even more irritating.

Depending on the positions I was applying for I might consider leaving them off though. For some positions saying you know html is like saying you know how to type.

You'd be surprised how clueless HR can be. Some (most?) just look for keywords and if you don't hit a certain percentage, they just throw your resume away. That, of course, doesn't mean that the company itself is bad, just that the cerberus watching the gates to the company is an idiot.

Portland Sucks
Dec 21, 2004
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Thermopyle posted:

Yes, I didn't say they shouldn't be there. I certainly wouldn't add a section for non-Turing complete languages. That'd be even more irritating.

Depending on the positions I was applying for I might consider leaving them off though. For some positions saying you know html is like saying you know how to type.

The whole process is nuts, but if I had to choose I'd rather work for a company whose HR staff filtered out people without "HTML" on their resume than work for a senior engineer who threw out a resume because it had "HTML" on it.

The former is ignorance from non-technical employees, the other is just straight up hubris from someone I may need to actually interact with.

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer
Version numbers can be good too. HTML5 and CSS3.

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Vincent Valentine
Feb 28, 2006

Murdertime

Volguus posted:

You'd be surprised how clueless HR can be. Some (most?) just look for keywords and if you don't hit a certain percentage, they just throw your resume away. That, of course, doesn't mean that the company itself is bad, just that the cerberus watching the gates to the company is an idiot.

My company is not exactly a tech company. Despite the fact that we build marketing software, we're a marketing company, and we have about 5 marketing analysts to every engineer. As a result, HR is more geared toward the marketing aspect than the tech aspect. The HR rep that called me didn't even know what JavaScript was, and made a jokey-comment about how I listed it twice because I was so serious about it. I asked what she meant and she mentioned I had it as JavaScript in one place and Java in another.

She was absolutely not an idiot, she was good at her job, it's just that she wasn't good at my job and had to kind of work with what she was given. Which was a ton of bullshit from a lot of different engineers and you know how that can be.

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