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Thoguh posted:Wild canvassers just knocking on doors asking who knows what of the occupants. Distributing flyers for whoever will provide them. *woman sitting on a stoop, knees hugged tightly to her chest, with a glazed expression in her eyes.* "They came to my door. They asked if I had heard of him. They asked if I wanted to get involved. They as...*sobs*...they asked for my contact information!" EDIT: Ed Balls endorses Keith Ellison for the Raving Monster Loony Party
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Baloogan posted:Yeah, zous is a dumbass but hes definitely not in mock-forever-and-ever territory imo.. Now, Zoux, on the other hand...
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hes 1% less favorable than bernie sanders, the most favored politician alive.
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Baloogan posted:Yeah, zous is a dumbass but hes definitely not in mock-forever-and-ever territory imo.. i think it's mockworthy in the sense that he made posts like that and was still coddled and loved by folks here as someone who definitely has good opinions on race
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anime was right posted:obama is really, really, really popular. Yeah, ik pretty gently caress the establishment too, but Barack can be useful and good. Also the other dude running for dnc chair seems alright
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anime was right posted:obama is really, really, really popular.
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theflyingexecutive posted:I still think the campaign was horribly mismanaged, HOWEVER: Trump actually hosted live events that were designed to draw media attention, Hillary didn't even bother to do press conferences for like a year, generally appeared at very small campaign events, and disappeared from the campaign trail for months at a time to attend fundraisers for wealthy donors. Much of this was deliberate according to people in the campaign, an attempt to let Trump do himself in by repeatedly sticking his foot in his mouth, which turned out to be a really dumb strategy. Trump successfully leveraged/manipulated the media, and Hillary absolutely failed to do so- that's a failure on her campaign's part, not a failure of the media to run a sufficient number of favorable wonk pieces praising her. Since she didn't go out of her way to generate positive news herself, when she did attract attention it was almost always because of outside events that (to the general public, who are all that matter) reflected badly on her, and she never developed an effective counter. The media's bias towards current events/news is not exactly a sudden shift that they made because they were in the tank for Trump.
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Oh Snapple! posted:i think it's mockworthy in the sense that he made posts like that and was still coddled and loved by folks here as someone who definitely has good opinions on race also he defended that post by evoking intersectionality of all things
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docbeard posted:Hillary was definitely facing an uphill battle and should probably not have chosen to treat the campaign like a soap box derby race. If the only way you can get coverage that isn't a fake scandal of yours is to only attack trump AND it makes your numbers go up, what are you gonna do? She was competing in a soapbox derby race because the media made it one
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Oh Snapple! posted:also he defended that post by evoking intersectionality of all things
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Hold big rallies for one.
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People are too hard on Zoux. I went into the d&d chat thread only once ever to call him mentally ill during the primary and nobody disagreed, so I was satisfied.
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LGD posted:Trump actually hosted live events that were designed to draw media attention, Hillary didn't even bother to do press conferences for like a year, generally appeared at very small campaign events, and disappeared from the campaign trail for months at a time to attend fundraisers for wealthy donors. Much of this was deliberate according to people in the campaign, an attempt to let Trump do himself in by repeatedly sticking his foot in his mouth, which turned out to be a really dumb strategy. Trump successfully leveraged/manipulated the media, and Hillary absolutely failed to do so- that's a failure on her campaign's part, not a failure of the media to run a sufficient number of favorable wonk pieces praising her. Since she didn't go out of her way to generate positive news herself, when she did attract attention it was almost always because of outside events that (to the general public, who are all that matter) reflected badly on her, and she never developed an effective counter. The media's bias towards current events/news is not exactly a sudden shift that they made because they were in the tank for Trump. how would she have generated positive news?
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theflyingexecutive posted:I still think the campaign was horribly mismanaged, HOWEVER: Her Policy was poo poo, and her accomplishments were riding coattails.
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Hillary probably should have slobbered all over the press outside of their editorial departments. Reaching out to Trump pool reporters or in general just trying to do Fluff pieces.
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paranoid randroid posted:please, firends, let us not speak ill of the dead, even if they were zoux then why are we constantly dissing on hillary clinton
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Nonsense posted:gently caress yeah Darryl Perry is my libertarian dreamboat
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paranoid randroid posted:like if you think that obama should be marginalized in the party moving forward youre going to have to make a case to the vast majority of the rest of democratic voters Yeah. I am clearly the deranged on here.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:i think the thread will think much better of him if/when he starts promoting the progressives instead of give indications that he's paranoid about them loving up because they're going to lose the nonexistant reaganite vote Going by that recent retrospective he took part in, I'm gonna go with the "if" part of that statement.
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GlyphGryph posted:Yeah. I am clearly the deranged on here. yep pretty much lol
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the winds of the bulk of the party are changing, he of all people should be wise enough to at least hear them out
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theflyingexecutive posted:Almost no media outlets even explained what the podesta emails were or where they came from, they just said MORE HILLARY EMAILS and everybody just assumed it was an extension of her being sneaky and untrustworthy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DcATG9Qy_A
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Oh wait, no, no I am not, I just checked and it turns out people can in fact disagree with randroid about things while remaining sane, and that accusation is actually a really weak defense of his arguments Phew, dodged a bullet there, thought i was gonna have to be committed
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:the winds of the bulk of the party are changing, he of all people should be wise enough to at least hear them out well i mean the dude is literally all about consensus building so im not sure where this idea that he would fling himself on progressive positions like theyre hand grenades is coming from, if hes working within the party
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greatn posted:Hold big rallies for one. She only drew crowds with musical acts attached and I don't think Lady Gaga and Springsteen and Jay-Z and Beyonce were willing to do a 6 month free concert tour in her honor
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GlyphGryph posted:Oh wait, no, no I am not, I just checked and it turns out people can in fact disagree with randroid about things while remaining sane, and that accusation is actually a really weak defense of his arguments you seem like a barrel of laughs
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CubsWoo posted:She only drew crowds with musical acts attached and I don't think Lady Gaga and Springsteen and Jay-Z and Beyonce were willing to do a 6 month free concert tour in her honor such selfishness
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paranoid randroid posted:well i mean the dude is literally all about consensus building so im not sure where this idea that he would fling himself on progressive positions like theyre hand grenades is coming from, if hes working within the party i'm not sure you can "reach across the aisle on this one" considering the other party is well beyond the loving pale (unless you mean "taking the bullet to stay away from progressive ideals" by that phrase then carry on) Anime Schoolgirl has issued a correction as of 21:01 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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paranoid randroid posted:well i mean the dude is literally all about consensus building so im not sure where this idea that he would fling himself on progressive positions like theyre hand grenades is coming from, if hes working within the party I think people are attributing stuff like perez running to him when it's more likely the people in his WH who were "nervous" about ellison, not obama himself.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:the winds of the bulk of the party are changing, he of all people should be wise enough to at least hear them out Eh, I look at UK Labour and I see what can happen when those same people don't listen. EDIT: Gonna be fun when Justin Trudeau's unwillingness to try and achieve any of his campaign promises "somehow" gets people to vote for the Tories. Hell maybe Canada will surprise me and they'll vote in an NDP majority. Prime Minister Balgoon. Aurubin has issued a correction as of 21:02 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Atrocious Joe posted:identity politics is a dumb phrase because the only people who don't think their politics are at least partly rooted in identity are libertarians who consider themselves ~~rational decesion makers~~ If anything I think the phrase describes the "well I'm a conservative! (Which means _________)" politics.
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Fiction posted:I think people are attributing stuff like perez running to him when it's more likely the people in his WH who were "nervous" about ellison, not obama himself. realpolitik habits are hard to break it seems
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:this could be true and often i kind of wish he'd speak for himself about important matters like this more though he is still the president and all. and he's obama. so
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paranoid randroid posted:zoux can be a real fuckin dumbass sometimes He was a great twitter aggregater
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:well just about every major democratic advocacy group and most house representatives going for ellison, for starters yeah great theres a disagreement about DNC leadership and the contest is between a guy who is good and a guy who is acceptable. its not like hes pushing Chuck Schumer or something. this is not really indicative of a guy who wants to drag the party backwards. and once hes not president its not going to be his job to reach across the aisle and i presume hes not going to be doing a lot of outreach to conservatives, so why bother freaking out about that? he will probably be a moderate voice in the room, but its not like hes some iron-clad ideologue in any particular respect. if the party shifts, he will probably follow.
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