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It's not even really referring to nationality so much as the North Korean military and/or leadership, as near as I can tell.
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glynnenstein posted:I wasn't aware it was offensive term anywhere. It's a contraction of NORth Korean, right? Yeah. I don't really flinch when I hear people at work say "nork" to refer to the north korean government or military forces or system (i.e. nork artillery, nork missile systems, nork communication policy). When someone just refers to the citizens at large as "norks" it's gross.
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Koramei posted:I agree with you in that the context the phrase gets used in is pretty much always just tankies trying to give a massively warped take on the situation today, but North Koreans were pretty plainly victims of imperialism. Decades of colonial rule, then emerging from that only to get your country split in half by the global hegemons of the time; it's a stretch to call it all anything else, and it's a very important part towards understanding a lot of North Korean attitudes. On the other hand of course, it does gently caress all to justify any of the stuff their government is doing in the present day. It is a good point mlmp08 posted:And today I learned "nork" is an Australian slang term for boobs. 
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Oddly topical because the twitter larping left has decided on an absurly reductionist take on the Cultural Revolution.
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zoux posted:Oddly topical because the twitter larping left has decided on an absurly reductionist take on the Cultural Revolution. There's been this big upsurge in weird tankie bullshit on SA and social media in general. It's really weird when they support the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution, because the literal Communist Party of China thinks that those were horrible mistakes.
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On VVS Heavy Bombers operations Like Bomber Command, the ADD [Long Range Aviation] adopted a streaming approach with aircraft at various heights, each crew receiving the exact time, course, and height to and from the target, while target location was aided by radio direction finders. One bomber returned to discover its base covered in fog and the radio operator had to bail out, go to the airfield and arrange fires along the runway, which allowed the bomber to land safely.
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bewbies posted:wait a minute, "nork" is racist now? "Norks" sounds like some racist trying to be funny. It's like if someone abbreviated "Germans" to "Germs" and was all like: "I don't know what the problem is, it's just an abbreviation of Germans!"
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P-Mack posted:There's been this big upsurge in weird tankie bullshit on SA and social media in general. It's really weird when they support the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution, because the literal Communist Party of China thinks that those were horrible mistakes. Well that guy who is now one of the foremost leftist voices on twitter is also former LF poster Red Ken.
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Nork was introduced, and is still used most often, by racist right-wingers. They're loving koreans, call them that.
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zoux posted:Well that guy who is now one of the foremost leftist voices on twitter is also former LF poster Red Ken. content: does anyone here know if 17th century Swedes had a specific naming convention for their nobles (like von in German)? After I specify the origins of these soldiers I'm going to analyze the percentage of nobles in each rank, and so far all the non-Germans are listed as "unknown." HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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HEY GAIL posted:i thought most of Jacobin is former LF posters That sounds about right. Also Kriss posted that from his Spanish vacation. Normally I think that it's lame to pull that "ah complaining about capitalism on your iPhone eh" poo poo but if you are going to unironically promote the Great Leap Forward I think you should be walking the walk.
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Tias posted:Nork was introduced, and is still used most often, by racist right-wingers. mlmp08 posted:And today I learned "nork" is an Australian slang term for boobs. But we covered that already 
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HEY GAIL posted:i thought most of Jacobin is former LF posters Well, the Ritarihuone in Helsinki has an index of the Swedish noble houses that were in existence in Finland at 1818 and Sweden has one (https://www.riddarhuset.se/sprak/english/). This site: http://www.riddarhuset.fi/english/ has information about the place in English, the index of nobility (http://www.riddarhuset.fi/svenska/atter_och_vapen/) contains the arms of each family and a description on when it was established.
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zoux posted:That sounds about right. Also Kriss posted that from his Spanish vacation. Normally I think that it's lame to pull that "ah complaining about capitalism on your iPhone eh" poo poo but if you are going to unironically promote the Great Leap Forward I think you should be walking the walk. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/05/fellow-travellers-and-useful-idiots quote:They believed that only a thinking minority – themselves – could see the outlines of a better future. Plainly, it was these advanced minds that could direct the new society that was coming into being.
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Ataxerxes posted:Well, the Ritarihuone in Helsinki has an index of the Swedish noble houses that were in existence in Finland at 1818 and Sweden has one (https://www.riddarhuset.se/sprak/english/). also, long time no see.
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HEY GAIL posted:i thought most of Jacobin is former LF posters No, some Jacobin contributors are good
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Please use the correct terminology and refer to them as Democratic People's Republic of North Koreans. Failing that, juchebags.
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HEY GAIL posted:i thought most of Jacobin is former LF posters Red Ken aka Sam Kriss is a successful writer who frequently contributes to publications like the Atlantic, NYT, Washington Post, Guardian, etc, but yeah he did start out at Jacobin with the other LF alums. Meanwhile I lost interest in politics and philosophy, went into science and am now some kind of hosed up positivist lol
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Squalid posted:Red Ken aka Sam Kriss is a successful writer who frequently contributes to publications like the Atlantic, NYT, Washington Post, Guardian, etc
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HEY GAIL posted:Swedes yikes stop with the racial slurs please
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Had I but known how lucrative it could be to role play a middle-class Westerner Maoist... https://twitter.com/xbCC0981LdF25kD/status/884747826382725120 This is a video of a guy (a Nazi) dying, he just kind of passes out so it's not graphic but the question I have is how the gently caress are there neo-Nazis in former Soviet states? Are there Russian neo-Nazis who lament that the USSR didn't lose the GPW?
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Wooper posted:yikes
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Alchenar posted:Max Hastings has a bit in his Normandy/France books covering experience - it seems that units got better with experience as their fieldcraft and knowledge of enemy tactics improved, but then there's invariably a point that Allied commanders noticed where experience causes effectiveness to drop off a cliff as soldiers realise they've had too many close calls and lost too many friends and stop being willing to take risks to take the fight to the enemy. Wasn't this also a problem towards the end of the war in Europe? War's almost over, everyone just wants to survive to go home, how do you get an army to keep attacking?
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zoux posted:Had I but known how lucrative it could be to role play a middle-class Westerner Maoist... I think Disinterested or some other guy itt went over it in detail, but some factors include: - No proper denazification in the Warsaw pact - Failure of both liberal democracy and soviet communism in post-wall Russia means the only radical ideology left is nazism - Citizens from when the soviet union was freer and more prosperous are old and dying off. In fact, there are nearly as many neo-nazis in Belarussia and Ukraine alone as there are in all of western europe combined. It's a real poo poo show.
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mlmp08 posted:Yeah. I don't really flinch when I hear people at work say "nork" to refer to the north korean government or military forces or system (i.e. nork artillery, nork missile systems, nork communication policy). When someone just refers to the citizens at large as "norks" it's gross. I think it simply speaks to a lack of imagination and empathy to understand the distinctions between the civilian population and the leadership/belligerents/hypothetical insurgents.
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Some non-academic suggestions include the theory that the suppression of individual national identities from German occupation and Soviet ownership may have led to a vacuum when the USSR collapsed, which could be filled by an existing nationalist and authoritarian belief set. Some of these areas were also pretty anti-Soviet and historically may have even viewed the Nazi sympathizers in the 1940s as fighting a Soviet occupation.
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P-Mack posted:There's been this big upsurge in weird tankie bullshit on SA and social media in general. It's really weird when they support the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution, because the literal Communist Party of China thinks that those were horrible mistakes. The current Communist Party of China is about as communist as Donald Trump so... As for tankies doing revisionism of stuff like The Great Leap Forward, yeah that is pretty dumb and reductionist. But it's also a reaction to the trend for the past few decades that anything bad done by a socialist country is a result of socialism being bad, while anything bad done by a capitalist country *cough*Pinochet's Chile*cough* is a result of that specific country being bad. There's also been a whitewashing of mass socialist programs always being catastrophic failures and humanitarian disasters, when things like the USSR's mass literacy program also exists. I think Sam Kriss going to bat for the Cultural Revolution is just part of his writer's schtick of being a semi-serious contrarian troll, but expect to see a whole lot more of this going forward as people adopt left wing ideas at a rate of knots. One of the challenges of the modern left is to knock the tendency of unreconstructed tankyism out of people while also challenging notions like "literally everything about the USSR was terrible."
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The Holodomor definitely happened, right
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Squalid posted:Red Ken aka Sam Kriss is a successful writer God that term has become meaningless. His writing is loving awful.
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MikeCrotch posted:The current Communist Party of China is about as communist as Donald Trump so... I think some of it is also just a growing backlash in some parts of Western culture against the downsides of unrestricted capitalism. We are living in a time of gross economic inequality, rampant environmental damage, starkly visible government corruption, and all of it with no clear solution. I think it's only natural that some people are responding with "Capitalism bad, anti-capitalism good." Tankies of course take that response to the point of absurdity, mind.
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Cythereal posted:Learning how land combat was done from the English of all people strikes me as a peculiar move in the first place. It's done, obviously, by having either a:) Machineguns or b:) Longbows. Always have an overwhelming range advantage.
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MikeCrotch posted:The current Communist Party of China is about as communist as Donald Trump so... Yeah I get where it's coming from but I feel like thirty million dead should be taken a hell of a lot more seriously then it generally is, instead of being edgy then changing the topic. (I'm extra salty about the Great Leap apologists cause some of the only times I see people bring up the Taiping Rebellion is to argue that Chinese people just sort of die by the millions all the time so really what's the big deal.)
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OwlFancier posted:It's done, obviously, by having either a:) Machineguns or b:) Longbows. But remember, two per battalion should be quite sufficient.
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zoux posted:The Holodomor definitely happened, right As a special targeted and intentional genocide uniquely of Ukranians, probably not.
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Disinterested posted:As a special targeted and intentional genocide uniquely of Ukranians, probably not.
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HEY GAIL posted:i think he was more asking about the "millions dead" part, which happened Sure but that isn't really what the argument is about with that issue.
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Trin Tragula posted:But remember, two per battalion should be quite sufficient. They must have fielded a lot of battalions to cut down that many yew trees then.
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I dunno if you caught the pre-backlash to the HBO ACW alt history show but Amazon's alt history ACW show is going to get the exact opposite of that backlash.quote:Another alternate history drama series, which has been in the works at Amazon for over a year, also paints a reality where southern states have left the Union but takes a very different approach. Titled Black America, the drama hails from top feature producer Will Packer (Ride Along, Think Like A Man franchises, Straight Outta Compton) and Peabody-winning The Boondocks creator and Black Jesus co-creator Aaron McGruder. It envisions an alternate history where newly freed African Americans have secured the Southern states of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama post-Reconstruction as reparations for slavery, and with that land, the freedom to shape their own destiny. The sovereign nation they formed, New Colonia, has had a tumultuous and sometimes violent relationship with its looming “Big Neighbor,” both ally and foe, the United States. The past 150 years have been witness to military incursions, assassinations, regime change, coups, etc. Today, after two decades of peace with the U.S. and unprecedented growth, an ascendant New Colonia joins the ranks of major industrialized nations on the world stage as America slides into rapid decline. Inexorably tied together, the fate of two nations, indivisible, hangs in the balance. That actually sounds like a badass premise.
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Disinterested posted:Sure but that isn't really what the argument is about with that issue.
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Most of the tankie Holodomor arguments are about a) Stalin didn't do it b) the Tzars had famines but at least Soviets ended them c) other Soviet Republics had it worse d) it's the fault of the west for being mean and blockading us. Whereas for Ukranian nationalists, the claims are it was unique, targeted and ordered from the top.
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