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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Big open world games will always look two years behind real small tight FPS graphics based shooters. The big giant open world game is never going to be where you find cutting edge graphics. It's more graphics vs better graphics. Witcher 3 and MGS5 disproved this idea already this year. Now people are naturally going to ask Bethesda to step up and improve their own engine which is a good thing.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Yeah, it was a game that used a fairly constrained set of environments that you select from menus really well instead of making a giant sprawling world that you could freely travel. Is your thesis that MGSV is not an open world game because I guarantee you it takes longer than 10 minutes and 40 seconds to cross Afghanistan, or even Mother Base after a couple upgrades.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:45
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Yeah, it was a game that used a fairly constrained set of environments that you select from menus really well instead of making a giant sprawling world that you could freely travel. Do you actually believe this?
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Nov 5, 2015 16:46
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Scoops posted:Witcher 3 and MGS5 disproved this idea already this year. Now people are naturally going to ask Bethesda to step up and improve their own engine which is a good thing. MGS5 has mission playsets, not an open world. Yeah, they're loving huge but they are constrained to your current mission nonetheless
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I wonder if the fact that other open world games are bigger and better looking than Bethesda's stuff will come up in any reviews.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:47
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Scoops posted:Witcher 3 and MGS5 disproved this idea already this year. Now people are naturally going to ask Bethesda to step up and improve their own engine which is a good thing. Witcher 3 is a largely static environment in terms of props, unlike Fallout's constant physics goofiness. I know next to nothing about MGSV, but yes: Owlofcreamcheese posted:Yeah, it was a game that used a fairly constrained set of environments that you select from menus really well instead of making a giant sprawling world that you could freely travel. Quality, prevalence, cheap production; pick two in the best of times.
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Scoops posted:Witcher 3 and MGS5 disproved this idea already this year. Now people are naturally going to ask Bethesda to step up and improve their own engine which is a good thing. The thing is, MGSV also showed that if doing things properly instead of cutting corners is too hard, the developer will say 'gently caress it' and make pachinko games instead. Bethesda has already gotten a taste of the infinite cash cow that is the mobile gaming scene with Fallout Shelter. Like I said, I'm hyped for this game, especially after seeing that prerelease stream, but I'm not an idiot, I know it looks worse than the other open world games that came out this year. Call it stockholm syndrome, or call it charm, but I've grown to be rather fond of the Bethesda jank, and I can put up with the corners they've cut if it means the rest of the game is better off for it. There's no such thing as voting with your wallet, if you like a thing, you take what you can get, or they take it away.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:49
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Xeremides posted:I think they've pretty much done all they can with that engine. They really need to move to something not poo poo. Bethesda basically has Been Gamebryo for the past however many years. Their entire development is tied to that piece of poo poo and I'm sure there's a bunch of the upper management that fear an engine change more than god himself.
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The game looks awesome. I can't wait to play this awesome game next week. If you don't think it looks awesome, your opinion is different than mine. And that is just fine.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:49
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Nov 5, 2015 16:50
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New Leaf posted:The game looks awesome. I can't wait to play this awesome game next week. If you don't think it looks awesome, your opinion is different than mine. And that is just fine. 
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New Leaf posted:The game looks awesome. I can't wait to play this awesome game next week. If you don't think it looks awesome, your opinion is different than mine. And that is just fine. I think the game will be rad, fellow forums poster New Leaf.
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Scoops posted:Witcher 3 and MGS5 disproved this idea already this year. Now people are naturally going to ask Bethesda to step up and seriously, the same problems surface again and again - from Oblivion until now, the animations and floaty feel of this engine really detract from the experience. FO4 looks like by far the best they've done yet, but you can still see the underlying jank, especially in the characters. I don't know how much of this is Bethesda's animators and how much is the engine, but after 10 years or whatever, they must be aware of it. These games have huge budgets and staffs - it's baffling to me why this most core part of the gameplay experience hasn't been rebuilt from the ground up by now.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:51
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Buff Butler posted:Do you actually believe this? metal gear is one of the best games of the year but it's a totally different structure than a game like skyrim. You pick missions from menus and load into areas. You can't run from afghanistan to africa. That isn't some thing where that means MG is worse than skyrim, it just means the games are different and have different sort of requirements.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:51
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People saying "it looks worse than other recent open world games" - before The Witcher 3 came out, anyone asked to name the most successful recent open world game would probably have said "Skyrim" which makes this entire conversation really weird.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:52
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Scoops posted:Witcher 3 and MGS5 disproved this idea already this year. Now people are naturally going to ask Bethesda to step up and improve their own engine which is a good thing. You don't even have to bring out those two guns since Mad Max, another post-apocalyptic open world game, looks incredibly good next to Fallout 4, and that was a decidedly B-tier effort all things considered.
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Bardeh posted:seriously, the same problems surface again and again - from Oblivion until now, the animations and floaty feel of this engine really detract from the experience. FO4 looks like by far the best they've done yet, but you can still see the underlying jank, especially in the characters. I don't know how much of this is Bethesda's animators and how much is the engine, but after 10 years or whatever, they must be aware of it. These games have huge budgets and staffs - it's baffling to me why this most core part of the gameplay experience hasn't been rebuilt from the ground up by now. Speaking of which do the animations look improved from Skyrim? I think the screenshots look pretty good but haven't really seen it in motion.
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Chalks posted:People saying "it looks worse than other recent open world games" - before The Witcher 3 came out, anyone asked to name the most successful recent open world game would probably have said "Skyrim" which makes this entire conversation really weird. successful = good
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RBA Starblade posted:Speaking of which do the animations look improved from Skyrim? I think the screenshots look pretty good but haven't really seen it in motion. They're definitely improved, but still very Bethesda jank like. Jumping still looks stupid, for instance.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:54
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Chalks posted:People saying "it looks worse than other recent open world games" - before The Witcher 3 came out, anyone asked to name the most successful recent open world game would probably have said "Skyrim" which makes this entire conversation really weird. Not really. Those other developers saw how nice Skyrim looked and wanted to beat it/create their own open world and did. Now it's Bethesda's turn to move past the new games they put out and it keeps going on like that. If you look at the Witcher 3 devs they constantly reiterated how inspired they were by Skyrim and how much they wanted to make their own game like it.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:55
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RBA Starblade posted:Speaking of which do the animations look improved from Skyrim? I think the screenshots look pretty good but haven't really seen it in motion. Yes, they're better. However, you still basically float through the air when you jump, the characters are still sort of 'slidey' when they move (although this part is undoubtedly improved) and the facial animations and lipsynching are really showing their age.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:56
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I've been calling this game Retard 4.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:metal gear is one of the best games of the year but it's a totally different structure than a game like skyrim. You pick missions from menus and load into areas. You can't run from afghanistan to africa. That isn't some thing where that means MG is worse than skyrim, it just means the games are different and have different sort of requirements. OK, I see your point now. So I will amend mine to say that MGSV: TPP is two and a half open world game about the size of fallout 4.
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For real though before the Witcher 3 came out there were people frothing at the mouth about a "graphical downgrade" comparing images from trailers and leaked pics like a JFK assassination conspiracy theory.
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Launch Trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5aJfebzkrM A little spoilery I guess if you don't want to know any details about the story. Happy to see them using the female player character in it too.
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New Leaf posted:The game looks awesome. I can't wait to play this awesome game next week. If you don't think it looks awesome, your opinion is different than mine. And that is just fine. I think so too, to be honest. I can see the jankiness and stuff that people are complaining about, but I don't really care. I enjoyed other Bethesda games despite those issues, and I don't see them having much of an impact on my enjoyment here. A Curvy Goonette posted:successful = good Well, to a certain degree, yes?
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Nov 5, 2015 16:58
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P sure this game is going to be good for the first 8 hours then get really boring/bad. Still going to log 40+ hours into it and mod out all the bad decisions.
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Scoops posted:Not really. Those other developers saw how nice Skyrim looked and wanted to beat it/create their own open world and did. Now it's Bethesda's turn to move past the new games they put out and it keeps going on like that. If you look at the Witcher 3 devs they constantly reiterated how inspired they were by Skyrim and how much they wanted to make their own game like it. I'm not arguing that The Witcher 3 doesn't look better, but it did only come out 6 months ago or whatever. If that game had been delayed, what would you be pointing to? 6 months ago when The Witcher 3 came out, you can hardly expect the Fallout devs to re-write loads of their engine to try to compete - that's a disastrous path. At least from the promotional images, this game looks better than previous games in the same engine, which have never been the prettiest PC gaming has to offer. Saying "it's not as nice as this one game that happened to get released first" seems like an odd criticism. It's on a par with other similar games, but it's not the top and I'd be astonished if anyone expected it to be given the history of this engine. The Witcher 2 looked better than Skyrim as well, games vary in aesthetic quality rather than always being incremental improvements based on their exact release order.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:59
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the characters in Sid Meier's Pirates! Live the Life look better than the ones in this game
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Nov 5, 2015 17:01
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nethack's graphics are so much better than this
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Bethesda has had over a decade to beat Sid Meier's Pirates! Live the Life's graphical fidelity, and they were not up to it.
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Chalks posted:People saying "it looks worse than other recent open world games" - before The Witcher 3 came out, anyone asked to name the most successful recent open world game would probably have said "Skyrim" which makes this entire conversation really weird. ... no poo poo? No one is saying the game is going to drop like a rock and not sell. Of course it's going to be a blockbuster. They are discussing graphics, not financial success.
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Nov 5, 2015 17:04
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I'm going to mod T-Dog's 'It Just Works' in to replace the xp CHA-CHING sound.
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This game looks worse than: Bubsy 3D.
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Witcher 2 looked nicer than 3 in a lot of areas because it wasnt open world Really W2 looks amazing for its age
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Turin Turambar posted:... no poo poo? Game X looks better than Game Y that was released at around the same time therefore
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:metal gear is one of the best games of the year but it's a totally different structure than a game like skyrim. You pick missions from menus and load into areas. You can't run from afghanistan to africa. That isn't some thing where that means MG is worse than skyrim, it just means the games are different and have different sort of requirements. Afghanistan and Africa are huge and you can free roam them, and you can go directly from one mission to another without returning to the helicopter for most of them. Saying that it's not an open world game is laughable.
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Chalks posted:I'm not arguing that The Witcher 3 doesn't look better, but it did only come out 6 months ago or whatever. If that game had been delayed, what would you be pointing to? 6 months ago when The Witcher 3 came out, you can hardly expect the Fallout devs to re-write loads of their engine to try to compete - that's a disastrous path. At least from the promotional images, this game looks better than previous games in the same engine, which have never been the prettiest PC gaming has to offer. Saying "it's not as nice as this one game that happened to get released first" seems like an odd criticism. It's on a par with other similar games, but it's not the top and I'd be astonished if anyone expected it to be given the history of this engine. The Witcher 2 looked better than Skyrim as well, games vary in aesthetic quality rather than always being incremental improvements based on their exact release order. I'd be pointing to MGS5. Considering they've been using the creation engine since 2011 which is a modified/evolution of the gamebryo engine I'd say they've had plenty of time to upgrade it to something else. Companies in Poland and Japan have been able to keep up with less resources and money than Bethesda has had and there isn't anything wrong in demanding that they start matching that or being disappointed that they haven't 4 years after their last game.
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