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berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

bango skank posted:

I picked up Sacrosanct, the short story starter book for AoS and I can't really put my finger on it, but I feel like I'm bouncing off it pretty hard for some reason. Like I'm really into 40k, and I feel like in theory I should be down for what basically amounts to the same thing but with fantasy flavor, but I just can't bring myself to care about any of it.

If you sat me down and told me about these warriors who were plucked from the moment of their death and reforged into holy champions of their god, crazy mage-knights who lose a little bit of who they were every time they're pulled back from the clutches of death whenever they fall in battle, I'd be all about it. But in practice, the Stormcast and what I've seen of the other factions so far all just seem so bland to me.

While I'll read both genres I've always been more interested in sci-fi than fantasy(the last thing I read that was high fantasy like AoS was probably a random Dragonlance book 20 years ago in middle school.) So even though 40k is more fantasy-in-space than actual sci-fi maybe it's just the genre that I'm getting hung up on? I'll power through the rest of the stories in this and the two AoS shorts from the BL Celebration collection but I don't think any of it is going to stick with me.

40K has had about 30 years to get to the point where it's at now. AoS has only been good for like a year, and they are still really fleshing things out. To be completely honest, if you can get your hands on the Battletome army books, you're going to get much better reading out of them. The Spear of Shadows was good because it was from a human POV and had a distinctly WFB feel. Anything from a Stormcast POV is going to be pretty bland until writers really start running with the "each time I come back, part of me is lost" thing.

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Plavski
Feb 1, 2006

I could be a revolutionary
Andy Clark did in Blacktalon, and it's excellent. I hear Hamilcar is good too.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

bango skank posted:

I picked up Sacrosanct, the short story starter book for AoS and I can't really put my finger on it, but I feel like I'm bouncing off it pretty hard for some reason. Like I'm really into 40k, and I feel like in theory I should be down for what basically amounts to the same thing but with fantasy flavor, but I just can't bring myself to care about any of it.

If you sat me down and told me about these warriors who were plucked from the moment of their death and reforged into holy champions of their god, crazy mage-knights who lose a little bit of who they were every time they're pulled back from the clutches of death whenever they fall in battle, I'd be all about it. But in practice, the Stormcast and what I've seen of the other factions so far all just seem so bland to me.

While I'll read both genres I've always been more interested in sci-fi than fantasy(the last thing I read that was high fantasy like AoS was probably a random Dragonlance book 20 years ago in middle school.) So even though 40k is more fantasy-in-space than actual sci-fi maybe it's just the genre that I'm getting hung up on? I'll power through the rest of the stories in this and the two AoS shorts from the BL Celebration collection but I don't think any of it is going to stick with me.

Plague Garden and Hamilcar Champion of the Gods are good. (Hamilcar is a loud, arrogant, braggart so he is also fairly different then the standard Stormcast.)

And Plague Garden actually won over someone who thought Stormcast were lame until he read it.

MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Feb 27, 2019

Plavski
Feb 1, 2006

I could be a revolutionary
Plague Garden is okay - some very good stuff there and a cracker of an ending - but it wasn't until I read Blacktalon did I feel that stormcast are fully created in the fiction now. (Read Blacktalon!)

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?
Imagine I'm running into the thread panting and sweating after just finishing Anarch, only to yell "WHERE WAS THE loving AFTERWORD?!?"

I needed some goddamn soothing words by the author and all I got was a one-pager about Abnett that I already knew, and several pages of Plague War, that I skipped past. I loving need someone to talk, Dan.

Cessna
Feb 20, 2013

KHABAHBLOOOM

berzerkmonkey posted:

40K has had about 30 years to get to the point where it's at now. AoS has only been good for like a year, and they are still really fleshing things out. To be completely honest, if you can get your hands on the Battletome army books, you're going to get much better reading out of them. The Spear of Shadows was good because it was from a human POV and had a distinctly WFB feel. Anything from a Stormcast POV is going to be pretty bland until writers really start running with the "each time I come back, part of me is lost" thing.

So what's a good Age of Sigmar book?

I loved the Old World, but AoS left me cold. I'm willing to give it another try if it has gotten better.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Cessna posted:

So what's a good Age of Sigmar book?

I loved the Old World, but AoS left me cold. I'm willing to give it another try if it has gotten better.

A few have been brought up this page.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

I finished The Buried Dagger last night. Thought it was great. Definitely one of my favorite HH books. It was packed with lore showing the Barbarus revolution and Morty meeting Emps, the DG fall to Nurgle, and the creation of the Grey Knights.

Opentarget
Mar 17, 2009
I finished the Kal Jerico omnibus last night and that is some seriously dumb 40k human fun. He's like a Cain that is intentionally getting into dumb poo poo but still comes out on top. It's also always nice to see how completely outclassed humans are by modern tech when they have to deal with spryer rigs.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgh43VUqrv8

Posting this because it's funny and also are there any good Vostroyan books? I like their dieselpunk cossack style.

MMAgCh
Aug 15, 2001
I am the poet,
The prophet of the pit
Like a hollow-point bullet
Straight to the head
I never missed...you
I've yet to read the book, but I need to know: is Ayatani Zweil's name misspelt as consistently in Anarch as it was in Warmaster?

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Black Library needs a proofreader/editor, news at 11. I saw more than a few soliders on the frontline in Anarch.

Also completely unrelated, but a Bolter round is .75 cal right? That's what, a 20mm autocannon round, correct? Except it has a smaller powder charge because it uses a gyrojet to accelerate once it clears the barrel?

Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Feb 28, 2019

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

MMAgCh posted:

I've yet to read the book, but I need to know: is Ayatani Zweil's name misspelt as consistently in Anarch as it was in Warmaster?

I think once at the start but looks like they got their Zwiel problem handled.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

Arcsquad12 posted:

Black Library needs a proofreader/editor, news at 11. I saw more than a few soliders on the frontline in Anarch.

Also completely unrelated, but a Bolter round is .75 cal right? That's what, a 20mm autocannon round, correct? Except it has a smaller powder charge because it uses a gyrojet to accelerate once it clears the barrel?

I thought they were .99

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
Mathias Thuleman Witch Hunter is a fun romp if not particularly compelling story through old school WHF. Nice proto inquisition look

Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.
IIRC, Astartes bolters are .75 cal. Human sized bolters are .50 cal.
Heavy bolters might be .99 maybe.


And yeah, while descriptions of bolt rounds vary greatly, the most common description is of a three-stage round.
1. The bolt is fired from a traditional shell casing
2. After a short delay, enough to clear the barrel, the solid rocket fuel in the bolt ignites.
3. An impact fuse detonates the explosive tip a split second after impact so that the bolt explodes inside the target.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
The most common description I've seen is that they're caseless, and that the ejection ports are just to let out gas and prevent it ruining the magazine feed, but the actual calibre varies wildly from source to source.

Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.

Arquinsiel posted:

The most common description I've seen is that they're caseless, and that the ejection ports are just to let out gas and prevent it ruining the magazine feed, but the actual calibre varies wildly from source to source.
Aside from that making no sense whatsoever, most videogame and animation depictions of bolters has them spewing spent cases, so I'm just going to ignore any mention of "caseless" :v:

bango skank
Jan 15, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
i think there was a character that carried an empty bolt casing as a lucky charm or something in one of the alpha legion HH books?

Plavski
Feb 1, 2006

I could be a revolutionary

Waroduce posted:

Mathias Thuleman Witch Hunter is a fun romp if not particularly compelling story through old school WHF. Nice proto inquisition look

I remember only getting half through that trilogy because CL Werner's dialogue was so stilted and pedestrian. Then I read Overlords of the Iron Dragon and found that he's still writing the same way decades later. So disappointing as both WHF Witch Hunters and the Kharadron are two of my favourite fantasy creations. What a pity they were given to him.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Groetgaffel posted:

Aside from that making no sense whatsoever, most videogame and animation depictions of bolters has them spewing spent cases, so I'm just going to ignore any mention of "caseless" :v:
It's the half-understood way recoilless rifles work. At some point the animation was handwaved as "oh it's not a case it's a backstop to give the rocket something to push against" as if the gun wasn't enough. TBH the whole "all things are true at once, on some planet" is the only way to reconcile most of the fluff. Of course they also changed what bolters look like dramatically when they started the scale creep so :shrug:

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



I finished The Armour of Contempt yesterday and I just wanted to confirm MkVenner actually survived and they were just continuing to spread the legend of his death/he didn't want to return to the Ghosts/they were suspicious as gently caress still, right? Or did I completely misunderstand the scenes with Mkoll and Ezrah?

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Pretty sure you read it right.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

Arcsquad12 posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgh43VUqrv8

Posting this because it's funny and also are there any good Vostroyan books? I like their dieselpunk cossack style.

The only one I can think of is Rebel Winter that's in the Imperial Guard omnibus. No idea if that's still in print or not.

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

Cooked Auto posted:

The only one I can think of is Rebel Winter that's in the Imperial Guard omnibus. No idea if that's still in print or not.

There was also a connected short story that was a split prequel/sequel and (IIRC) wrapped things up fairly decently.

E:

Arquinsiel posted:

It's the half-understood way recoilless rifles work. At some point the animation was handwaved as "oh it's not a case it's a backstop to give the rocket something to push against" as if the gun wasn't enough. TBH the whole "all things are true at once, on some planet" is the only way to reconcile most of the fluff. Of course they also changed what bolters look like dramatically when they started the scale creep so :shrug:

It looks like Bolters have had casings as least as far back as 2E though? This is from Codex Ultramarines:

Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Mar 1, 2019

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Yeah, but in that same book they also didn't have anywhere for the casings to come out of the guns, so :shrug:. GW gonna GW.

Galvanik
Feb 28, 2013

Is there a book that talks about life on Terra at all?

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

Galvanik posted:

Is there a book that talks about life on Terra at all?

Carrion Throne, Watchers of the Throne. Deals with Custodes, Inquisiitors and administratum people on Terra. They're real good

^burtle
Jul 17, 2001

God of Boomin'



Randalor posted:

I finished The Armour of Contempt yesterday and I just wanted to confirm MkVenner actually survived and they were just continuing to spread the legend of his death/he didn't want to return to the Ghosts/they were suspicious as gently caress still, right? Or did I completely misunderstand the scenes with Mkoll and Ezrah?

Yeah, the guy is going to continue on the Nalsheen life rather than pass on the Nalsheen to his actual people

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Didn't they say in His Last Command that he had been teaching the Nihtgane his customs?

Senjuro
Aug 19, 2006

Biplane posted:

Carrion Throne, Watchers of the Throne. Deals with Custodes, Inquisiitors and administratum people on Terra. They're real good

Unpopular opinion but I wouldn't recommend Carrion Throne.

It's probably my own fault I didn't like it because I already knew what the antegonist's goal was when I started and I really wanted to see some exploration of its huge ramifications and instead it was glossed over completely.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

Senjuro posted:

Unpopular opinion but I wouldn't recommend Carrion Throne.

It's probably my own fault I didn't like it because I already knew what the antegonist's goal was when I started and I really wanted to see some exploration of its huge ramifications and instead it was glossed over completely.

does it ever get expanded on? I'm assuming you're talking about the dark eldar being hired to fix the golden throne

Plavski
Feb 1, 2006

I could be a revolutionary
Finished The Crimson King. Good book despite not being up to the giddy heights of A Thousand Sons. It did warm me slightly to the Space Wolves, but not enough... Cracking the Ahriman Omnibus now which I've been looking forward to for ages.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25ZvvprhWZo

The Normal who is constantly getting mindfucked by all the infodumps is becoming a favourite character of mine.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

Arcsquad12 posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25ZvvprhWZo

The Normal who is constantly getting mindfucked by all the infodumps is becoming a favourite character of mine.

I hate this.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
You're no fun.

Senjuro
Aug 19, 2006

Biplane posted:

does it ever get expanded on? I'm assuming you're talking about the dark eldar being hired to fix the golden throne

Not to my knowlage which is a drat shame. Lots of interesting directions it could have gone.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
Finished Wolf King which was excellent. I started out despising the Space Wolves when I first started reading them years ago. I found them all boring and one note, and the onerous bolter porn books like... Whichever loving book Magnus attacks the Fang in - they were bad and boring.

I really like the characterization of Russ as a thinker and warrior both. Everyone felt relateable. Russ' journey through the Underworld was brilliant. Drone Pilot Belisarius Cawl was hilarious. I would love more books focused on him working his way through the Mechanicum, inventing new strange deceives and hacking everything that can be

Unfortunately next on the list is born of flame and gently caress man I just finished a Nick Kyme book why do I gotta read another so soon :negative:

The Iron Rose fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Mar 2, 2019

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

Biplane posted:

does it ever get expanded on? I'm assuming you're talking about the dark eldar being hired to fix the golden throne

There is an audio drama that covers the interrogation of the human cult leader (that teamed up with them at the end) by the Inquisitor after the events of the book. It's pretty good. Beyond that I am pretty sure Chris Wraight said he is writing a sequel to Carrion Throne at some point.

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Halman
Feb 10, 2007

What's the...Rush?
Is there any easy list somewhere of which books take place after robutt's return?

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