Quavers posted:

you don't understand image licence development

peter gabriel posted:

I found a vector image of a crowd on google image search with the intent to use it as a mock up for a client. I liked it so much I wanted to use it for the final artwork, so I booted up 123rf and asked their team to find that image if they had it, they found it, I bought an extended license and then went on with the project. That's kind of how it works when you are charging money for things, you do it properly.

The Titanic posted:

Sorry friend! As you can tell when I get into "Workd War 2 bomber mode" my office, made of aircraft stuff, becomes my B-52 and I just sometimes take it too far. Already thinking I should just replace my office door with a hatch from an old bomber too. I bet I can find the parts just laying around in a buddy's garage and have it cobbled together by volunteer employees.

Sillybones posted:

Also TIMEWAAAARP:

spacetoaster posted:

Golli posted:

The best way to settle the speculation is to let the aggrieved party assert their rights.

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like 123rf.com might want to pursue legal action against a company that is stealing their assets.

Even if CIG panics and buys the license for the images identified now, they have already made money from them by including them in product that is only available to paying customers (subscribers/avocados).

123rf would likely be entitled to search CIGs assets to determine what else they have misappropriated in order to calculate total true-up cost and penalties as part of any out of court settlement.

If it goes to court and CIG claims poverty, that would force financials into the light.

Fargin Icehole posted:

What if Derek was never brought up, ever?

Just had a thought. What if Derek didn't get the ban and refund treatment, and these idiots at CIG weren't so stupid aggressive by basically banning people for just asking people questions, forcing their own indie underdog narrative bullshit image, and maybe not hiring socially maladjusted, desperate, petty, completely unqualified people like Ben Lesnick...

It would still be the great scam, but holy poo poo, all the negative posters here would've been reported and banned.


I was actually thinking about giving this company money at one point, because I played the poo poo out of Freelancer.

Golli posted:

The best way to settle the speculation is to let the aggrieved party assert their rights.

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like 123rf.com might want to pursue legal action against a company that is stealing their assets.

Even if CIG panics and buys the license for the images identified now, they have already made money from them by including them in product that is only available to paying customers (subscribers/avocados).

123rf would likely be entitled to search CIGs assets to determine what else they have misappropriated in order to calculate total true-up cost and penalties as part of any out of court settlement.

If it goes to court and CIG claims poverty, that would force financials into the light.

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Oh yeah I sent them an email like 6 hours ago lol

a cyberpunk goose posted:

This depends entirely on your ability to make good gameplay programming architecture decisions, which often are at odds with your goals when trying to poo poo out tech demos built on older tech demos.

Whether or not AI is easy or sane to implement depends on your needs and avoiding too many framework shortcuts without special considerations, i.e.: does your game fudge too many boundaries or contracts the engine's core is built around? Is the AI trying to be fair and fun? Or brutally efficient? Does it need to be flashy or showy? Does the engine have existing AI optimizations? Is the "AI" a realtime actor of many in a complex realtime scene or just a job that runs to update database things every night that exist in the game world as spread sheets. Generally your AI needs access to a lot of elements in the game state to make good decisions about what is going to feel convincing and fun to the player, given how poorly defined the limits are on scope for any given environment or gameplay scenario there's no clear model for how the engine would not waste tons of cycles trying to schedule AI work time and gauge entity relevance in a huge confusingly specced tangled mess of ideas and concepts.

Knowing that they want to do a bunch of frankly impossible magic mesh scaling poo poo this also presents a lot of questions about what an AIs role and limits are in the magic SC endgame. It's basically undefined from a requirements perspective. They are so many decades away from a functioning scaling PU that there is no telling what the technical limits would be for their AI plans so there's no real point in anyone at CIG pretending they actually know.

Let me give a practical example: in a modern engine it's not a big deal to have an NPC find a path from point A to point B. The work is simplified by the fact that most games have one idea of gravity and one coordinate space to think about, and usually pretty limited in total space. It's *relatively* straight forward to avoid worse case scenarios of your path finding taking too long... Now consider Star Citizen: each station and ship has its own coordinate system, planets too in theory while also modeling the astrophysics somehow. The AI will have to be extremely well thought out to handle all the different spacial systems to find a path to its destination if we assume CiG will promise unique NPCs that travel freely.

There's not a super good way to succinctly explain how hard or easy it is to just "make AI for your game" since games are really really hard to make and also hard to make simply enjoyable. Making AI work well in your game requires thoughtful planning and firm decision making about what your priorities are.

The AI in SC is never going to be seen nor function. At most we will see some buggy pawns solving paths through a navigation mesh in a cryengine level while someone lies about the personal life and hobbies of the emergent ghost in the shell intelligence before us, sweeping a hallway.

Beet Wagon posted:

This is like the second or third time they've been emailed about CIG stealing their poo poo. I hope they take them to the loving cleaners lmao

spacetoaster posted:

Beet Wagon posted:

This is like the second or third time they've been emailed about CIG stealing their poo poo. I hope they take them to the loving cleaners lmao

tooterfish posted:

Hahaha, comic genius.

In his defence, we all make mistakes when we're young... wait, what's that? He was 25 and working in a school?

Oh.

DapperDon posted:

For a company that boasts all of the greatest of fidelities, I would be embarrassed to have poo poo like this associated with my business. There is just something ironic about it being a "Best Price" graphic for a company that has been given $140+ Million.

tooterfish posted:

We're talking about a guy who pretended to code live on camera.

AP posted:

The worm turns.

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

What if this stupid watermark fail is the turd that makes the shitbarrel flow over?

I couldn't think of a better beginning of the end, seriously.

DapperDon posted:

Noooooo. When was this?

MeLKoR posted:

peter gabriel posted:

I found a vector image of a crowd on google image search with the intent to use it as a mock up for a client. I liked it so much I wanted to use it for the final artwork, so I booted up 123rf and asked their team to find that image if they had it, they found it, I bought an extended license and then went on with the project. That's kind of how it works when you are charging money for things, you do it properly.

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

MeLKoR posted:

What makes this one different from the couple of dozen cases that preceded it?

The Titanic posted:

Here's my own recollection of history...

Before Derek was on the scene, people like Beer4TheBeerGod were already doubting the project was possible, and actively posting about it being junk.

Now I don't believe the whole "it's a scam" came up before Derek though, he was involved by then.

But even without Derek, I think we'd all be at the same place today, though probably with less mass comedy and there'd be no hate forum on reddit dedicated to him.

Unfortunately Derek existing or not existing in the games timeline doesn't make it suddenly be great. Star Citizen would still be in the same condition it is now. Really though, it might be in worse condition today without Derek, because no doubt Chris has spent many hours yelling at people to get more done just to prove Derek wrong. In a comically round about fashion, Derek's involvement has probably helped Star Citizen be a better game.

peter gabriel posted:

That's fantastic
Here's a top tip: When something is made available for purchase it is no longer concept art

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

DapperDon posted:

Noooooo. When was this?