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Brainamp posted:So we just had a Firestarter day 1 where the cops were late to the assault. We moved every single bag, and the only things we encountered were the gangsters and a few cloakers. Firestarter Day 1 can actually be sorta stealthed IIRC. You just gotta off all the gangsters before they notice you - a single red ! means cops are incoming.
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Darwinism posted:Firestarter Day 1 can actually be sorta stealthed IIRC. You just gotta off all the gangsters before they notice you - a single red ! means cops are incoming. I know, but if you look at the top we were in an assault. Literally the only things that attacked us were cloakers.
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Brainamp posted:I know, but if you look at the top we were in an assault. Literally the only things that attacked us were cloakers. Sometimes that happens. It's like they can't follow you up the hill or something, and you're just slogging bags up the hill in silence.
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Jun 30, 2014 04:06
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I'm surprised that bug is still around. It's pretty rare...maybe that's why they never found it/fixed it.
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Jun 30, 2014 04:58
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I purchased Payday 2 from the Steam sale this week, so I'm probably about to ask an obvious question. Is it common to be under level 10 and get kicked when there's less than a few minutes from completing a mission?
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Jun 30, 2014 05:03
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platero posted:I purchased Payday 2 from the Steam sale this week, so I'm probably about to ask an obvious question. One pubber group hovering at around lvl 20-30 kicked me when I was lvl 55 after I went and sawed through all the deposit boxes and looted everything for them because I naded the host down by the van while the other two were loving around with body bags.
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Jun 30, 2014 05:11
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Speaking of long time bugs, it's nice to know the saw bug where it keeps the saw sound until you close the game is still around.
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Jun 30, 2014 05:13
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platero posted:I purchased Payday 2 from the Steam sale this week, so I'm probably about to ask an obvious question. Self-quote: It's frustrating to be about to complete a mission and get xp/dollars just to get kicked when it's almost done.
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Jun 30, 2014 05:22
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Finally got "They Drew First Blood." Holy crap big bank can be violent as hell, that wasn't even on death wish (it was on very hard).
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platero posted:I purchased Payday 2 from the Steam sale this week, so I'm probably about to ask an obvious question. Pubbies seem to kick arbitrarily. They're horrible people.
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Jun 30, 2014 06:19
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platero posted:I purchased Payday 2 from the Steam sale this week, so I'm probably about to ask an obvious question. Play with goons. We won't kick you even if you're level 1 playing with a bunch of level 100s.
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Jun 30, 2014 06:22
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IAmTheRad posted:Play with goons. We won't kick you even if you're level 1 playing with a bunch of level 100s. Of course not! Dragging level 1's through full cook OK rats is a favorite goon
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Jun 30, 2014 06:38
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Stanos posted:Speaking of long time bugs, it's nice to know the saw bug where it keeps the saw sound until you close the game is still around. IME, it at least goes away once the map/game engine fully unloads now, so you just have to beat the heist to make it go away. YMMV. Also, free tip for everyone: Always make sure you're not reading your Big Oil engine map upside down. 
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Jun 30, 2014 06:39
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Yeah, I have this link saved to my tablet for whenever I do Big Oil and it always fucks me up at first because my brain wants to flip the map 180 degrees. http://albertkung.com/bigoil/
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Not that I ever needed to look at the Big Oil reference, but now I feel stupid about the engines being grouped by the number of tubes. Only bugs I have with the game is the detection meter lingering and Big Bank being a soundless void. Scalding Coffee fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Jun 30, 2014 |
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Jun 30, 2014 07:19
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platero posted:Self-quote: Yes or be at day 3 and have the host leave if you fail first try. Definitely wouldn't mind ganging up with some goons as well on this, kinda first fps I am liking for a long while. edit: I spell good SA_Avenger fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Jun 30, 2014 |
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Jun 30, 2014 07:27
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Why yes level 2 pubbie, I understand your frustration and disappointment and your ragequitting when the mission goes to poo poo and we only retrieve all but one of the bags. It wasn't because you're poo poo, or anything.
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platero posted:I purchased Payday 2 from the Steam sale this week, so I'm probably about to ask an obvious question. It's not that common in my experience. It's kind of common to kick someone if everyone is waiting to escape at the van and one lone dude is 100m away shooting cops I suppose. Try to get a sense of when it's time to go as no one really communicates in pub games. Not saying that's what caused it in your case, you probably were just playing with dicks.
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Lester Shy posted:Yeah, I have this link saved to my tablet for whenever I do Big Oil and it always fucks me up at first because my brain wants to flip the map 180 degrees. I used a similar one with a near-identical diagram. When you're just flicking back and forth between it in the middle of the game, "Doors" gets misread as "Door" really easily. And then I compounded the mistake by not paying attention to what number engine I actually grabbed. (Though one of the pubbies also randomly grabbed a second bag each time I took one, so we ended up wasting a helicopter loop on one.) John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 07:38 on Jun 30, 2014 |
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Jun 30, 2014 07:35
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For some reason pubbie hosts would rather kick level 10's than put a level cap on their games. They want the help of a non-bot but they dont want to pay the cost of having an inexperienced player. edit: also it's been touched on but don't be surprised if you get kicked when the level 4 pub wants to do babbys first stealth run with none of the proper equipment and it all goes to poo poo.
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FAUXTON posted:Sometimes that happens. It's like they can't follow you up the hill or something, and you're just slogging bags up the hill in silence. No, the cops just failed to spawn - it's happened to me a few times before. You'll get maybe three or four tans at the start, then you might get a couple of cloakers, but you'll never see anything more.  platero posted:Self-quote: Pubbies are lovely. Don't Play With Pubbies. Join the goon group and play with goons instead.
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Lester Shy posted:Yeah, I have this link saved to my tablet for whenever I do Big Oil and it always fucks me up at first because my brain wants to flip the map 180 degrees. This one is better and has an android app as well: http://payday2skills.ru/bigoil.html
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I bought Payday 2 on the sale and every 5 minutes the game just hangs. The music continues, but the game just becomes completely non responsive (no error message, etc) and have to give it the three-finger-salute to get back to the desktop. Anyone else getting this?
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Yoshimo posted:I bought Payday 2 on the sale and every 5 minutes the game just hangs. The music continues, but the game just becomes completely non responsive (no error message, etc) and have to give it the three-finger-salute to get back to the desktop. Check your graphics card drivers. I had that issue with an Nvidia beta driver
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Jim DiGriz posted:Holy gently caress guys, I don't think anyone ever stealthed FF day 3 louder than two buddies and me. 
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Jun 30, 2014 17:18
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platero posted:Self-quote: Finishing the first two days of a three day heist (or even four+) perfectly getting all of the possible loot or even stealth, only to get kicked on the last mission as you're finishing it is one of the most frustrating things I've experienced in a while, and Payday2 has done that to me several times. They really, really need to give you some kind of a consolation prize. Like, maybe a payday card but no cash payout. Maybe like half of the experience. But right now you get like .0001% of the experience and $0 and no cards. Its loving horrible. Never play with pubbies, play with goons or don't play at all.
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Zaphod42 posted:Never play with pubbies, play with goons or don't play at all. As good as some of the previous suggestions were, this really should be the new thread title.
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maketakunai posted:I just did FF 3 stealth last night for the first time since we were running Overkill and the two of us (not four) weren't enough to run it loud with all the Bulldozers coming in. Our grand master plan refined after dozens of restarts ended up being "kill the guards and cameras, ECM up, kill all the civilians on the way to the manager's office, grab the keycard, kill the cameraman, kill the two tellers, kill everyone else because they like to run for the alarm near the back door, go open the vault with unlimited afk time". I wouldn't call it "loud" since we were using silencers but that bloodbath wasn't really "stealth" either. Ended up not paying $350k in cleaner costs since my bank account was already at zero, but yeah, we're not very good at this game I always have a hard time killing civilians  . This is why my guns, uh, shoot very expensive bolo rounds that can tie up them even if they are beyond the invisible borders of the level. After we're done they get up and walk away, I'm pretty sure.
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maketakunai posted:I just did FF 3 stealth last night for the first time since we were running Overkill and the two of us (not four) weren't enough to run it loud with all the Bulldozers coming in. Our grand master plan refined after dozens of restarts ended up being "kill the guards and cameras, ECM up, kill all the civilians on the way to the manager's office, grab the keycard, kill the cameraman, kill the two tellers, kill everyone else because they like to run for the alarm near the back door, go open the vault with unlimited afk time". I wouldn't call it "loud" since we were using silencers but that bloodbath wasn't really "stealth" either. Ended up not paying $350k in cleaner costs since my bank account was already at zero, but yeah, we're not very good at this game FF? Framing Frame? There's no tellers or civvies in FF day 3. So you mean Firestarter 3, right? That's kinda amazing.  Seriously though you goons what are you doing, the simple bank heist (same level as firestarter 3) is so easy to stealth. I stealth that one over and over for quick cash. Framing Frame day 3 or Election Day 2 or Big Bank or even Shadow Raid are pretty hard to stealth. But Firestarter 3 / Original Bank is super easy! We were doing the GO Bank the other day stealth, and it was going fantastic, everybody tied down, guards dead and pagers answered. Then... some civvies wandered in, and we were out of ties. Sorry guys. Then... more civvies. And more. And more and more and more. OH GOD STOP COMING DOWN THIS STREET, I'M SO SORRY...  Eventually it got to where a civ spawned on the edge of the map where I couldn't get to, but she still alerted when she saw bodies and carnage. I couldn't get a shot around the corner, and that was that. Kinda annoying there are spaces they can spawn you can't even see, that's a bug pretty much.
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If you walk the tied up civies to the parking lot behind the bank, the people who wander into the bank won't alert. Unless of course you have to answer the fone. Which you're too dumb to drag out of LOS of the front. Which is only the second stupidest thing about the PayDay Gang (their staunch, principled, religious refusal to close doors being the top one).
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Jim DiGriz posted:I always have a hard time killing civilians Zaphod42 posted:FF? Framing Frame? There's no tellers or civvies in FF day 3. So you mean Firestarter 3, right? I'm only level 41-ish and my partner was 20-ish so we didn't have like ECM Keys to get to the cameraman or C4 to blow open the vault. We got kinda tired of trying to make all the civvies down and tying them all up without one of them somewhere trying to sneak off to the alarm or out the front door with our backs turned, so we said gently caress it and killed 'em all I've never managed to successfully stealth FF -- or go loud, either. Every attempt has ended in failure, whether it's when we have to dump the coke (so many trips) or not being overwhelmed by the massive amount of SWAT. Tulip posted:(their staunch, principled, religious refusal to close doors being the top one).
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HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT Big bank stealth with one other dude who is really new? Not a problem!       Guess what happened after this.
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Zaphod42 posted:We were doing the GO Bank the other day stealth, and it was going fantastic, everybody tied down, guards dead and pagers answered. Then... some civvies wandered in, and we were out of ties. Sorry guys. Then... more civvies. And more. And more and more and more. OH GOD STOP COMING DOWN THIS STREET, I'M SO SORRY... If you're out of ties and trying to stealth, you can just shout at civilians. They won't call the police while they're cowering. The problem with this is that you have to keep shouting at them every minute or two or else they'll get back up and then call the police. So eventually it'll become impractical to keep doing this unless you have a full group and one or two people are doing nothing but crowd control. The good part of this, though, is that it takes longer for a civilian who walks in off the map to freak out and call the police if they see someone cowering as opposed to if they see a dead body. Sometimes they'll even run closer so that they're not spread out everywhere. I play co-op with one other guy pretty much 100% of the time and by the last part of Jewelry Store stealthed it's alternating between carrying bags and yelling at people to  GET THE gently caress DOWN NOW
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The only time I've ever had the Gensec phone call fail and a cop patrol come on The Big Bank is when we hosed up and started having to off civvies outside because we failed at stealth. Even with 2 sets of body bags and 24 ties you will run out.
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Saw a pile of wooden planks next to my apartment building today as I was getting ready to leave for work, and I thought man, I should grab those
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President Ark posted:If you're out of ties and trying to stealth, you can just shout at civilians. They won't call the police while they're cowering. Yeah we started off by just having one guy baby sit them and yelling GET DOWN over and over, but the problem was then civvies saw those civvies, then civvies saw those civvies, and it just spiraled, as Payday stealth fails do. I killed a couple to avoid having to babysit too many that were spread too far apart, but it was probably lost by then anyways. Party Plane Jones posted:The only time I've ever had the Gensec phone call fail and a cop patrol come on The Big Bank is when we hosed up and started having to off civvies outside because we failed at stealth. Even with 2 sets of body bags and 24 ties you will run out. Yeah most of the other maps there's like two or three civvies who wander on after you start, and depending they might not even notice anything. But on the GO bank, you're gonna have a lot of pedestrians to deal with. I guess it helps if you work fast, we took our sweet time finding those drat keycards.
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GO Bank has a large, but apparently limited set of street civilians that begin to spawn once the timelock countdown begins, on top of 4 wandering street civilians during the prior period. Civilians that alert in their spawn positions, off the map, can be killed with grenades. Big Bank has an unlimited number of civilians that will spawn from the street, path into and leave the lower floor of the lobby. There is also a finite number of civilians that will spawn in the street and path into the upper floor of the lobby. The civilian spawn locations on Big Bank are specifically designed to prevent civilian genocide- an alarmed civilian will eventually spawn in an unreachable position and call the police.
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404notfound posted:Saw a pile of wooden planks next to my apartment building today as I was getting ready to leave for work, and I thought man, I should grab those I've done a lot of stealth killing with the silenced pistol in Wolfinstien, and after ever kill, the instinct is to bag up the body or attempt to answer a pager. Then when I realize that can't be done, I worry about other guards finding the body just laying around.
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Incidentally, it's important to note that shouting at civilians to get down is 'silent' in that it will not alert another nearby civvie on the noise. Alerts can spread based on people seeing others cowering, but if you yell at someone to get the gently caress down and there's someone else 5 feet away in another cubicle without line of sight, they will not alert.
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Coolguye posted:Incidentally, it's important to note that shouting at civilians to get down is 'silent' in that it will not alert another nearby civvie on the noise. Alerts can spread based on people seeing others cowering, but if you yell at someone to get the gently caress down and there's someone else 5 feet away in another cubicle without line of sight, they will not alert. "Must be Bob's tourette's acting up again. Oh, that wacky Bob.  "
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