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Intel&Sebastian posted:Eagerly awaiting the conservative call for noted person-who-got-US-service-members-killed-for-idiotic-reasons George W. Bush to be handed over to the Taliban. No see Bush got people killed for the grand and noble goal of .... Bergdahl personally sent those six guys to their doom after he left the military.
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Radish posted:When he left/abandoned his post people died looking for him. I don't really think it's entirely fair since while yes the events wouldn't have transpired where those six guys were in the exact place at the exact time of their deaths, they were killed by enemies in a combat zone so it's really not like the guy booby trapped his trail or anything malicious. It's really nothing more than OBAMA BAD since none of these people gave a poo poo about the six people that died when Bergdahl was in captivity as evidenced here: Is there any actual evidence those soldiers died specifically looking for Bergdahl? Because all I can find is they were from the same brigade, in the same province. The 6 soldiers listed all died between 1 and almost 3 months after Bergdahl walked away.
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Radish posted:This entire premise is that we'll never hear about the six who died which is absurd since that's been the narrative since day 1. In addition there's lots of "these guys died while Bergdahl has the audacity to live!" garbage. I don't think that dude deserves any commendations or whatever but acting like he's been chilling at the poolside during his Taliban capture is ridiculous. They are really building up the message that this guy should be dead and since he's not, well we better fix that problem. Soldiers to the GOP are only good for one thing, killing and being killed and that's becoming more and more blatant. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/04/world/middleeast/can-gi-be-tied-to-6-lost-lives-facts-are-murky.html quote:Two soldiers died during the most intense period of the search after Sergeant Bergdahl’s June 30 disappearance. Both were inside an outpost that came under attack, not out patrolling and running checkpoints looking for him. The other six soldiers died in late August and early September. Seems pretty clear to me that it's bullshit to begin with.
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Zeroisanumber posted:They were out doing many more missions, going into many more villages, and pouring a lot more soldiers into the area in the search for Bergdahl. It put a lot more people at risk and stirred up a lot of resentment among the Afghans, which led to a disputed number of American soldiers being wounded and killed. So? Did we take away from Call of Duty time? Were these soldiers not already in a war, getting shot at? I get the mechanics of how casualties increased because of Bergdahl's actions, but I don't see how you can blame him for making a war zone any more hostile and dangerous than it already was. Like this dude wandering off was the breaking point where poo poo got real.
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Jun 4, 2014 18:05
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Eagerly awaiting the conservative call for noted person-who-got-US-service-members-killed-for-idiotic-reasons George W. Bush to be handed over to the Taliban. It doesn't matter that there is a mountain of strict protocols for declassifying information, (there are countless levels of classified, from, "a service tech can look at it on a need-only basis" to "only the guy with the knuckle of Jesus is allowed to read it") Dick Cheney declared that he can declassify information by verbally mentioning to the press. Retroactively. 
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Jun 4, 2014 18:08
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I hope Obama realizes he essentially has veto power over the Republican primaries now. If a returning USPOW can eat this kind of right wing hate just for being returned on Obama's watch I don't think Ted Cruz or Chris Christie could survive even a cusory approval. Christie was still reeling from the sin of "not throwing literal punches at the sitting president" during his hurricane Sandy visit when Bridge-gate took over as his de-facto reason for being hopeless.
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Jun 4, 2014 18:13
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He should just walk into Congress during session and give Ted the kiss of death.
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Jun 4, 2014 18:15
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Radish posted:If I was active military I would think very carefully Lol! Good luck with that.
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Radish posted:If I was active military I would think very carefully about what the GOP is doing here and how that might affect me if I got captured. Well you certainly shouldn't voice those concerns to your parents or unit, traitor.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:POW with probable poor mental health. Classy. I recall from the old Bergdahl thread that the guy was a home-schooled survivalist, so you're not entirely wrong.
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Jun 4, 2014 18:25
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I hope Obama realizes he essentially has veto power over the Republican primaries now. If a returning USPOW can eat this kind of right wing hate just for being returned on Obama's watch I don't think Ted Cruz or Chris Christie could survive even a cusory approval. Christie was still reeling from the sin of "not throwing literal punches at the sitting president" during his hurricane Sandy visit when Bridge-gate took over as his de-facto reason for being hopeless. No, you don't understand, those five Taliban he released were literally the worst bloodthirsty murdering Al Qaedas ever!
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My Q-Face posted:No, you don't understand, those five Taliban he released were literally the worst bloodthirsty murdering Al Qaedas ever! I'm sure they're very thankful to secret muslim brother Obama for having raised their profiles tenfold in a country where CIA robot planes fire giant missles at people just like them.
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Radish posted:If I was active military I would think very carefully about what the GOP is doing here and how that might affect me if I got captured. If you were into thinking carefully you wouldn't be active duty military.
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Jun 4, 2014 19:01
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I've apparently been blocked from posting on Sarah Palin's FB wall for asking if anyone remembered when she quit being governor.
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shoplifter posted:I've apparently been blocked from posting on Sarah Palin's FB wall for asking if anyone remembered when she quit being governor.  Should have posted that. Actually I might just do that.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:So? Did we take away from Call of Duty time? Were these soldiers not already in a war, getting shot at? In terms of risk, there's quite a difference between being on a firebase and being out pounding around the countryside. Popular Thug Drink posted:I get the mechanics of how casualties increased because of Bergdahl's actions, but I don't see how you can blame him for making a war zone any more hostile and dangerous than it already was. Like this dude wandering off was the breaking point where poo poo got real. More soldiers and more patrols made it easier for the Taliban to set-up ambushes. If Bergdahl hadn't run off, then those patrols wouldn't have happened. Zeroisanumber fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Jun 4, 2014 |
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Jun 4, 2014 19:21
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Zeroisanumber posted:In terms of risk, there's quite a difference between being on a firebase and being out pounding around the countryside.
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Zeroisanumber posted:More soldiers and more patrols made it easier for the Taliban to set-up ambushes. If Bergdahl hadn't run off, then those patrols wouldn't have happened. Those specific patrols, maybe not, but they wouldn't have just been sitting in the base with their thumbs up their asses if he hadn't run off.
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So are we just buying into the idea being sold by a GOP PR firm that he's a deserter or is there actually enough evidence out there already to be talking about it like we know? What level of disappointment do you have to reach about being in a warzone to qualify you as an automatic traitor when you go missing? I'm being kind of facetious but I honestly can't get a decent handle on what we know about his circumstances from the stories I'm reading. Thanks Media.
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Jun 4, 2014 19:44
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Intel&Sebastian posted:So are we just buying into the idea being sold by a GOP PR firm that he's a deserter or is there actually enough evidence out there already to be talking about it like we know? What level of disappointment do you have to reach about being in a warzone to qualify you as an automatic traitor when you go missing? As near as I can tell, the bulk of it is based on hearsay and pretty relaxed analysis of his last communications with his family.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:So are we just buying into the idea being sold by a GOP PR firm that he's a deserter or is there actually enough evidence out there already to be talking about it like we know? What level of disappointment do you have to reach about being in a warzone to qualify you as an automatic traitor when you go missing? I'm going mostly by what has been reported by his squadmates and from letters that he sent home talking about the idea of running off. There are also very few other explanations as to how he ended up off base without any of his equipment.
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anonumos posted:As near as I can tell, the bulk of it is based on hearsay and pretty relaxed analysis of his last communications with his family. He expressed disgust with American conduct in Afghanistan, a particular incident in which a young Afghani girl had been crushed by a careless MRAP driver being fresh in his mind, along with his disdain for the attitudes of his superiors towards the Afghan people.
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Reading into it a bit more: it looks worse than I had initially thought, but we're still seeing a pretty disgusting display from a lot of people who think they know more than they do and are literally hoping out loud for worse for political reasons. And again, if we're going to be prosecuting people for idiotic actions in war because they got our soldiers killed then I eagerly await Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld and GWB's stints in prison and weeks long cable news segments on FOX where Dr. Keith Ablow explains how much they hate America based on the way they fold their hands in a X-Mas card photo. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Jun 4, 2014 |
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Wikileak's published wardiary intercepts say that he was captured while taking a poo poo. https://archive.today/JDRxy#selection-2089.16-578.770 quote:1- WE WERE ATTACKING THE POST HE WAS SITTING TAKING EXPLETIVE HE HAD NO GUN WITH HIM. HE WAS TAKING EXPLETIVE, HE HAS NOT CLEANED HIS BUTT YET. 2- WHAT SHEAM FOR THEM. 1- I DONT THINK HE W 2-YES LOOK THEY HAVE ALL AMERICANS, ANA HELICOPTERS THE PLANES ARE LOOKING FOR HIM. 1- I THINK HE IS BIG SHOT THAT WHY THEY ARE LOOKING FOR HIM. 3-CAN YOU GUYS MAKE A VIDEO OF HIM AND ANNOUNCE IT ALL OVER AFGHANISTAN THAT WE HAVE ONE OF THE AMERICANS. 1- WE ALREADY HAVE A VIDEO OF HIM.
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JehovahsWetness posted:Wikileak's published wardiary intercepts say that he was captured while taking a poo poo. Didn't even let him wipe first. These terrorist truly are irredeemable.
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Regardless of whether he deserted or not, wouldn't it be a priority to recapture him for either retrieval as a POW or to face the consequences of his action by military tribunal? Either one seems like the direct message you would want to send to your own armed forces, either we get you to save you or we get you so that you face the punishment of your failures.
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JehovahsWetness posted:Wikileak's published wardiary intercepts say that he was captured while taking a poo poo. I'm kind of hoping that Bowe claims that the real reason he'd left base was that his fellow soldiers were constantly harassing him, doing stuff like pouring buckets of water on him while he was trying to take a crap. He'd had enough of it, walked off base with a roll of TP and tried to have a poo poo in peace. It'll be even better if he specifically targets the guy who has been poo poo talking him on Twitter.
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Radish posted:If I was active military I would think very carefully about what the GOP is doing here and how that might affect me if I got captured. That's easy. Just don't hate America and you'll be safe!
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joeburz posted:Regardless of whether he deserted or not, wouldn't it be a priority to recapture him for either retrieval as a POW or to face the consequences of his action by military tribunal? Either one seems like the direct message you would want to send to your own armed forces, either we get you to save you or we get you so that you face the punishment of your failures. I'm not seeing any good Obama attack angles here. Can we still at least bitch about what a fair exchange rate is for American POW's and how the admin totally caved?
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Man, if he didn't actually desert then there could be a real interesting slander case against the people who slipped past the 'just asking questions' line
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I'm not seeing any good Obama attack angles here. Can we still at least bitch about what a fair exchange rate is for American POW's and how the admin totally caved? After 13 years in Gitmo those dudes that we handed over are probably still getting over being afraid of the sky. I'm not particularly concerned about them becoming terrorists again.
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If a soldier with probable poor mental health takes a poo poo in Afghanistan away from his platoon, would anybody know? The answer is yes; the GOP, who will then promptly call for literal POW blood.
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That Irish Guy posted:If a soldier with probable poor mental health takes a poo poo in Afghanistan away from his platoon, would anybody know? The hosed up thing is that they were gung ho supporting him back in 2008/2009. It was a cause celebre in the right wing...that is, until Obama actually brought him home. The Taliban also wanted over a hundred prisoners in exchange for him, and a million dollars. Getting it down to 5 used-up husks and no money is a pretty good feat. I half-expected them to decapitate him in spite...
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Zeroisanumber posted:I'm going mostly by what has been reported by his squadmates and from letters that he sent home talking about the idea of running off. You mean the people that had to do months of extra patrols because they were told he deserted? No way they'd harbor a grudge against someone who already didn't fit in.
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anonumos posted:The hosed up thing is that they were gung ho supporting him back in 2008/2009. It was a cause celebre in the right wing...that is, until Obama actually brought him home. Matt Binder is doing a great job covering this on twitter right now. It really illustrates how quickly the RWM machine works. 
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Intel&Sebastian posted:So are we just buying into the idea being sold by a GOP PR firm that he's a deserter or is there actually enough evidence out there already to be talking about it like we know? What level of disappointment do you have to reach about being in a warzone to qualify you as an automatic traitor when you go missing? The only clear report prior to this PR campaign is Hastings' Rolling Stone story with what some of the soldiers in his unit thought he did. Nothing actually factual, just a lot of supposition. Also, intercepted Taliban calls were released which suggest that he was captured at the outpost on the toilet without his weapon. Darkman Fanpage posted:He expressed disgust with American conduct in Afghanistan, a particular incident in which a young Afghani girl had been crushed by a careless MRAP driver being fresh in his mind, along with his disdain for the attitudes of his superiors towards the Afghan people. And also the attitudes of his fellow soldiers towards that incident.
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Lester Shy posted:Matt Binder is doing a great job covering this on twitter right now. It really illustrates how quickly the RWM machine works. This is absolutely incredible.
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moths posted:You mean the people that had to do months of extra patrols because they were told he deserted? No way they'd harbor a grudge against someone who already didn't fit in. I mean the people who are in the best position to know, the people who lived and worked with him at his post in Afghanistan.
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Actions Obama takes should be presented, framed and defended in with the words of a conservative pundits who have previously strongly supported that action, right down to naming the act after them.
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Zeroisanumber posted:I mean the people who are in the best position to know, the people who lived and worked with him at his post in Afghanistan. A proper investigation would mean getting in touch with a wide array of people who lived and worked with him. That's a smart plan. Currently, we're only hearing from the loudest, most motivated people. His parents certainly think he's a swell guy. Some guy on Twitter thinks he's a shitbag. When I was in the Navy, there'd sometimes be people who were identified as "Shitbags." If you're a shitbag, you're on the bottom of the pecking order and you can expect to be bullied and harassed constantly until: 1. You fix yourself 2. You kill yourself 3. You get kicked out 4. Someone worse comes along I'd be willing to bet money that the people complaining the loudest about Berghdal had personally done hosed up poo poo to him.
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