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Internet Explorer posted:I remember Elijah Cummings's request, but from what I understand that is not a subpoena. evilweasel posted:He asked for them but only Republicans have subpoena power. Chaffetz might have but I don't think so. Ah I see. Guess that won't have gone anywhere then.
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evilweasel posted:I lean towards this, but there's a lot of evidence both that past presidents have continued to record the oval office and that trump personally was a fan of secretly recording people Yeah, conventional wisdom says he's completely bluffing, but I don't think he is for the reasons you mentioned. I think it's most likely that the tapes exist but they're too damning to admit that they do outright. Not that Trump is a brilliant tactician or anything, but if he keeps this up over the next couple months, reporters will eventually get fatigued, assume they don't exist, and stop asking about them.
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enraged_camel posted:Yeah, that's what I heard, but I don't know the details. Who set it up for Nixon? It must have been the FBI or a similar government agency. Right? The USSS did it.
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The beauty of the whole "do the tapes exist" argument is Trump only needs to say one word to make it go away "No". His own staff honestly does not know if they exist. If they do he's hosed. If they don't? He gets caught in a lie. Win/win for us, lose/lose for him.
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ekeog posted:Option three is that they're actually stupid enough to try to release partial tapes or in some way destroy evidence. I don't think we can rule it out at this point considering how colossally bad their legal strategy has been. Isn't that one of the items on the Nixon Speedrun checklist?
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ReidRansom posted:Ah I see. Guess that won't have gone anywhere then. Right, but like I said earlier, with Nixon it was subpoenaed by the special prosecutor.
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If the tapes exist why the gently caress would he not just destroy them.
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Renaissance Spam posted:Isn't that one of the items on the Nixon Speedrun checklist? Yes, right up there with wall-jumping to get the super missile.
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Yeah I'm gonna need a better source on this
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Like if no one legit knows burn those motherfuckers.
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cochise posted:Didn't Nixon have the recording equipment in his desk? Yes. The practice of recording white house meetings is very common and goes back to at least FDR, and possibly earlier, was continued by JFK, LBJ, and Nixon, and has been presumably continued by at least some modern presidents. In theory there's nothing wrong with it; it's allowable under DC law, most potentially embarrassing but not actually illegal admissions would be covered under executive privilege anyway, and it is very useful for writing accurate memoirs (and keeping political opponents from writing innacurate ones!). Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Jun 9, 2017 |
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Waffles Inc. posted:jesus christ even his lawyers double down when they're caught in a lie a lawyer taught trump the tactic
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Jun 9, 2017 20:57
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Maybe he's being cagey on the tapes' existence because they did exist and he's already destroyed/deleted them.
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My feeling on the tape is that trump thinks comey saying "you are not currently under investigation" wins him the whole thing, and he doesn't realize other stuff he says is incriminating
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angel opportunity posted:My feeling on the tape is that trump thinks comey saying "you are not currently under investigation" wins him the whole thing, and he doesn't realize other stuff he says is incriminating It's almost certainly this.
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HappyHippo posted:Maybe he's being cagey on the tapes' existence because they did exist and he's already destroyed/deleted them. If thats the case you lie and the answer is a no. And then you fight on that lie til its over.
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Stop posting Seth Abramson. quote:“The burden is now on the President to come forth definitively and say what happened,” Reed said on CNN.
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HappyHippo posted:Maybe he's being cagey on the tapes' existence because they did exist and he's already destroyed/deleted them. Highly probable. Same goes for when any documentation gets subpoenaed.
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In this fast-paced thread, this is way out of date, but God drat - NUKE OHIO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCf3mPUgsac
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Jun 9, 2017 21:03
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Well, at least if he lied about the tapes and he's being all cagey about it, and they don't exist, we get to accuse him of destruction of evidence along with obstruction of justice.
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Spaced God posted:https://twitter.com/markberman/status/873263604375707649 lol, the entire senior leadership team of the FBI knew about the contents of those memos.
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https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/873230732080099328 This is probably the most annoying thing about the hearing from yesterday. "Gee, how on Earth will we ever know why Trump fired Comey  "
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Mister Mind posted:In this fast-paced thread, this is way out of date, but God drat - NUKE OHIO. A cool thing is that not all of those people will be alive in 3.5 years.
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Jun 9, 2017 21:07
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This whole 5/6 month time span has just been guessing how stupid everyone in government is, then hoping to god your right. Cause if anyone up in Washington was even half-way competant, the working man would be hosed.
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Spaced God posted:https://twitter.com/markberman/status/873263604375707649 How do these people lie so god drat much without getting any better at it?
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androo posted:Dave Weigel is a pro follow Just about anyone from Journolist is a pro follow.
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Mr Interweb posted:https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/873230732080099328 "No see Trump fired Comey because he did a bad job on investigating Russia and Trump is hiring someone to do it better, how can that be obstruction?" -Republicans in the near future.
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Jun 9, 2017 21:10
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My brain might be entirely broken but I just rewatched the questions and it almost kinda seems like trump thinks he is being asked "would you put comey under oath to make him pledge loyalty" when he agrees to the reporter saying "under oath"
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Trabisnikof posted:"No see Trump fired Comey because he did a bad job on investigating Russia and Trump is hiring someone to do it better, how can that be obstruction?" They discount the Holt interview because 'Hey he's under suspicion for FLYNN, not RUSSIA so it's fine that he said he wanted to get rid of the Russia investigation that wasn't targeting him personally *yet*!'
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Jun 9, 2017 21:11
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Lying isnt that loving hard. The only thing it requires is consistency and knowledge of what can sink your lie.
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https://twitter.com/woodruffbets/status/873271121361162240 although this is a request, those requests are usually followed up with a subpoena if not complied with, and since the republican is on board you can issue a subpoena
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Jun 9, 2017 21:13
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My guess is that Trump doesn't think there ARE tapes, but Bannon had recording devices installed in the red Diet Coke button.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:My brain might be entirely broken but I just rewatched the questions and it almost kinda seems like trump thinks he is being asked "would you put comey under oath to make him pledge loyalty" when he agrees to the reporter saying "under oath" I'm fairly sure by this time tomorrow 'I would be 100% willing to testify under oath' will have become 'I didn't understand the question'.
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Dexo posted:Lying isnt that loving hard. or have enough clout (real or perceived) and no one will give a gently caress what you say
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evilweasel posted:
At the risk of nihilism, it seems like a lot of people are just flat-out ignoring things like that. First Flynn, then the two guys Wednesday who refused to answer the oversight committee's questions. Seems likely that Trump would File 13 any such subpoena that hit his desk.
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