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sticklefifer posted:I see Lords of Salem get so much praise here and I just don't get it. I get that he makes visual homages to his predecessors and all that, but he lays it on a little thick. LoS in particular was very pretty as far as set pieces, but it also was a very thinly veiled attempt at emulating Argento. I thought the story was too straight-forward and had very little nuance, and the characters were pretty one-dimensional. There was no real struggle or conflict, it was just sort of "Welp this is a thing that's happening and I will do nothing about it. I thought Sherri's performance was the main attraction there, aside from the visuals. It was sad to watch her character just let go and let the evil(both literal and figurative) take over. I thought she was incredibly sympathetic.
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Feb 25, 2014 21:10
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Basebf555 posted:I thought Sherri's performance was the main attraction there, aside from the visuals. It was sad to watch her character just let go and let the evil(both literal and figurative) take over. I thought she was incredibly sympathetic. Perhaps that's my issue with the story then. She was never built up as strong enough or interesting enough for me in the first act to believe she'd put up any kind of a fight or resist in any way, and then her crack habit sort of came out of nowhere. I'd say it's like kicking a puppy, but you inherently feel sorry for a puppy, where I don't inherently feel sorry for hipster DJs.
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Feb 25, 2014 22:14
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sticklefifer posted:Perhaps that's my issue with the story then. She was never built up as strong enough or interesting enough for me in the first act to believe she'd put up any kind of a fight or resist in any way, and then her crack habit sort of came out of nowhere. I'd say it's like kicking a puppy, but you inherently feel sorry for a puppy, where I don't inherently feel sorry for hipster DJs. Its been a while since I last watched it, but I thought her addiction was at least heavily implied if not outright mentioned early in the movie. Could be wrong though. But I think your analogy is actually pretty good, except for me there was something inherent in her character that made me feel sorry for her, she came across as that puppy being kicked to me. There's a vulnerability to her character, I just can't articulate what it is about her performance that produced that.
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I'm sure it's been discussed in here and had threads before, but what did you guy think of The Wild Hunt? For those who have never heard of it. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1493886/ It's a great blend of genres I think. I love showing it to friends and hearing them go "Holy gently caress!" at the ending.
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Mouser.. posted:John Jarrett rides again in a sequel that I have a hard time believing anyone asked for.  Although the rating on the bottom of the video claiming it has "high impact violence" makes me want to see it anyway.
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Like I said before, LoS is an interesting movie, but it falls apart in too many places. Like the ending or say, the scene with the Christian priest out of nowhere. Rob Zombie is to me, in a word, frustrating. In every one of his films you can see the potential for something truly amazing, but he just seems to hold back and fall short. He's clearly passionate and knowledgable about the genre, and you can tell he really wants to take things in new directions. I get the impression that his movies end up being much better in his head then on the screen.
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golevka posted:I'm sure it's been discussed in here and had threads before, but what did you guy think of The Wild Hunt? I watched this movie totally blind a while back and enjoyed it a lot. I don't think I'd call it a horror movie as much as a very dark character study.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I watched this movie totally blind a while back and enjoyed it a lot. I don't think I'd call it a horror movie as much as a very dark character study. I agree, wasn't quite sure where else it'd belong but figured horror fans would enjoy this type of movie. It was definitely something that went under my radar before and then I saw it and loved it immediately. Same thing goes for Stake Land. I thought for a small indie movie it was really good. It was like Zombieland, but instead with vampires and with a more serious tone. I really liked how the main group took care of each other in an apocalyptic type of world instead of backstabbing each other at every turn while bitching the whole time. The Walking Dead is probably the biggest offender of that cliche recently. Stake Land is just refreshing. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1464580/
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Mouser.. posted:John Jarrett rides again in a sequel that I have a hard time believing anyone asked for. I have heard some good things here in Australia, but it doesn't look like it really changes anything from the original. I do believe the Australian xenophobia angle is played up in this more then in the original though. Apparently there are more deaths and they come image a higher pace too, though the level of violence was toned down to allow for a lower rating. Probably worth a watch, I keep meaning to go and see it while it's actually playing in cinemas.
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Lords of Salem chat:sticklefifer posted:her crack habit sort of came out of nowhere. Basebf555 posted:Its been a while since I last watched it, but I thought her addiction was at least heavily implied if not outright mentioned early in the movie. Could be wrong though. It is mentioned. When her life begins to fall apart and she stops showing up for work and her DJ buddy visits her to see what's up and express his concern, she says something to the effect "you know I'm clean", answering the unspoken question between them and implying that she was a recovering addict. She just didn't know how to tell him that it's not that she's back on crack, it's just that she's been chosen to be the vessel to deliver Satan's progeny to the world. I thought the crack purchase/smoking was pretty self explanatory. She is a recovering addict. The chain of events set in motion by playing the Lords' music was too much for her, it wore her down and eventually she gave in to her addiction as a coping mechanism. Basebf555 posted:But I think your analogy is actually pretty good, except for me there was something inherent in her character that made me feel sorry for her, she came across as that puppy being kicked to me. There's a vulnerability to her character, I just can't articulate what it is about her performance that produced that. Yeah. Different strokes, I guess, but her character evoked the same reaction in me, I found her likeable but found the whole situation very sad and I had a lot of sympathy for her. I actually thought the scene with the priest was well done and I liked it. It was maybe illustrating that there was no sanctuary, no safe place at all left for her.
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Why aren't movies like The Gate made anymore? It's a sad and unfun world we live in today.
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sticklefifer posted:I see Lords of Salem get so much praise here and I just don't get it. I get that he makes visual homages to his predecessors and all that, but he lays it on a little thick. LoS in particular was very pretty as far as set pieces, but it also was a very thinly veiled attempt at emulating Argento. I thought the story was too straight-forward and had very little nuance, and the characters were pretty one-dimensional. There was no real struggle or conflict, it was just sort of "Welp this is a thing that's happening and I will do nothing about it. It's not a great film, I don't get the love either.
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The only good movie he's made is Devil's Rejects, everything else has been garbage. He can't realize his vision. He only ever gets half way there. I just watched The Conjuring and was honestly pleasantly surprised by the film. It really was great.
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Feb 26, 2014 06:01
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Choco1980 posted:Part 5 is a dull as dirt remake of "The Beast Must Die!" basically Does it have a Werewolf Break? I was actually trying to think of the name of The Beast Must Die the other morning. It's nothing too special but I have a soft spot for those late night creature feature kinds of films.
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Feb 26, 2014 06:29
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Well no, The Howling 5 doesn't. I imagine if you watched The Beast Must Die! Under it's alternate title Black Werewolf the whodunnit nature and the chance to guess the werewolf kinda get deflated.... because there's only one black guy in the film.
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sticklefifer posted:Perhaps that's my issue with the story then. She was never built up as strong enough or interesting enough for me in the first act to believe she'd put up any kind of a fight or resist in any way, and then her crack habit sort of came out of nowhere. I'd say it's like kicking a puppy, but you inherently feel sorry for a puppy, where I don't inherently feel sorry for hipster DJs. There entire film is about her giving into addiction. It's like, the opposite of the new Evil Dead which is about the heroine getting over addiction.
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wyoming posted:There entire film is about her giving into addiction. A heroine with a heroin addiction. How did I not get that until now?
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Craig Spradlin posted:It occurs to me that if you take House of 1000 Corpses and put it in a centrifuge, the separated contents are basically The Devil's Rejects and Lords of Salem. It occurs to me that if you take people and put them in a centrifuge, you end up with a mid-80s Slasher flick. The Centrifuge Killer He'll separate you ... from life!
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acephalousuniverse posted:Why aren't movies like The Gate made anymore? It's a sad and unfun world we live in today. You can still catch brief glimpses of that type of thing in Joe Dante's The Hole. Rageaholic Monkey posted:I liked the first one a whole lot but this just looks like the same thing all over again without doing anything different You should watch Point Break. I read it's "100% pure adrenaline". Wow.
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Man, I liked Wolf Creek but that's one movie where there's pretty much no point to a sequel. There's nowhere to go with it aside from making it a token slasher movie.
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I didn't see it mentioned on the last few pages, so thought I would mention the Scream Factory release of Sleepaway Camp https://www.shoutfactory.com/product/sleepaway-camp-collectors-edition I can't ever decide if the artwork on Scream Factory releases are awesome, or just so-so. Sleepaway camp is always awesome though and I can't wait to see what extra features will be included edit- Also see they are releasing Ravenous on Blu-Ray! Between this, the Criterion sale and tax money, this has been a great month for my collection. Dr.Caligari fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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DeathChicken posted:Man, I liked Wolf Creek but that's one movie where there's pretty much no point to a sequel. There's nowhere to go with it aside from making it a token slasher movie. You say that like its a bad thing.
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Dr.Caligari posted:I didn't see it mentioned on the last few pages, so thought I would mention the Scream Factory release of Sleepaway Camp I want to say Scream Factory is the one releasing the director's cut of Nightbreed later this year too. They've suddenly came up and become the surprise outlet for remastering old horror.
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Parachute posted:This post is what makes me love horror movies - the genre and fans are so forgiving. Uncle Boogeyman posted:Scream 3 & 4 are just different shades of pure bottoming-out awful. I'm with weekly font, I think 4 is worse, but it's really splitting hairs. I've never really understood why Scream 3 (and 4, in this thread at least) get so much hate online. I mean, 3 is a goofier movie than the prior two and that might not be to everyone's taste, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with that in concept. It's essentially an R-rated adaptation of Scooby Doo, and I'm down with that. And are we really knocking the knife-handle scene? That was hysterical, I mean, that's one of those 'never happens in movies' things and the movie cleverly exploited that expectation there. The hate on 4 (which I don't think is anywhere near as universal as this thread would make it seem) baffles me even more, since, like someone upthread also mentioned, its main flaw is merely not being ambitious enough, and even the at its worst it's just kind of inoffensive. But there are moments of great cleverness here and even a touch of brilliance or two: the scene of a despondent Hayden Panetiere (however you spell her name) running through the endless list of horror remakes in a desperate attempt at landing the correct answer to save her friend from meeting the same fate as Drew Barrymore and her boyfriend (the movie is literally pleading to the movie gods not to remake the original Scream) is straight-up one of the finest moments in the entire series, and I think it's a good example of how the movie presents its themes of dealing with age, irrelevance, and the knowledge of moving ever closer to inevitable death, all without ever having to just come out and say it within the text. To be honest, I find there's a certain baseline level of competence to even the weakest Scream movies that I think go a little underappreciated. And I know 'competence' is a pretty darn low bar to set, but I still found it refreshing in a genre that is so flush with either turn-off-your-brain-cheese or exploitation sentiments that just about every 'classy' horror flick has to distance itself from the genre and sell itself as a 'thriller'. Scream 3 deserves criticism, but it raises my eyebrows to hear it labeled 'bottom of the barrel' in a genre whose barrel includes Friday the 13th: A New Beginning and Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers and Diary of the Dead and those direct-to-video Hellraiser sequels. I'll take competence where I can when I'm swimming through a sea of inept and at times downright broken horror movies.
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lizardman posted:I've never really understood why Scream 3 (and 4, in this thread at least) get so much hate online. I mean, 3 is a goofier movie than the prior two and that might not be to everyone's taste, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with that in concept. It's essentially an R-rated adaptation of Scooby Doo, and I'm down with that. And are we really knocking the knife-handle scene? That was hysterical, I mean, that's one of those 'never happens in movies' things and the movie cleverly exploited that expectation there. My biggest issue with 3 is I felt it had nothing to say outside of trying to wrap up Sidney's plot. I was surprised they didn't have a "rules of a trilogy" bit or something acknowledging it was the third time this was happening to them. I mean, aside from the opening death (which is relatively insignificant at this point), you could pretty much skip it entirely and go straight on to 4. I think your posts about the two movies show exactly what I mean - 4 had a great concept, but a fumbled execution that would have been better if it were more ambitious.
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Parachute posted:My biggest issue with 3 is I felt it had nothing to say outside of trying to wrap up Sidney's plot. I was surprised they didn't have a "rules of a trilogy" bit or something acknowledging it was the third time this was happening to them. I mean, aside from the opening death (which is relatively insignificant at this point), you could pretty much skip it entirely and go straight on to 4. There was a rules of a trilogy bit. Did you forget, or just not find it satisfying?
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Parachute posted:My biggest issue with 3 is I felt it had nothing to say outside of trying to wrap up Sidney's plot. I was surprised they didn't have a "rules of a trilogy" bit or something acknowledging it was the third time this was happening to them. I mean, aside from the opening death (which is relatively insignificant at this point), you could pretty much skip it entirely and go straight on to 4. They did have a rules of the trilogy scene.
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When did it happen?! I swear I thought I remembered one when I saw it in theaters, then I don't remember seeing one on cable when I watched it over the weekend. Edit: Oh yeah now I remember, they shoehorned in that Randy cameo, which is hilarious because everything he said was pointless after 4 comes in to existence, all while listing a bunch of weird arbitrary rules, while talking about non-horror trilogies. Parachute fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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Honestly I never got the love for Scream 2. Mainly because of the ending. "Hoho, I am Bit Character who appeared in like two scenes but now I am important! Drama!" No.
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DeathChicken posted:Honestly I never got the love for Scream 2. Mainly because of the ending. "Hoho, I am Bit Character who appeared in like two scenes but now I am important! Drama!" No. It's not very good but the opening is super clever and the car crash aftermath is really tense and well done.
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Scream, like Halloween and Texas Chainsaw Massacre, is a franchise best served by only watching the first one.
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If I didn't know better, I'd think all this name dropping of supposedly awful films in the last few posts to compare to the lesser Scream films (which is saying a bit as the whole franchise is vastly overrated, and in my opinon fails at what it attempts far more than it succeeds) is an attempt to bait me into fighting you guys. But I'll be the bigger man and remain calm. (Seriously though, gently caress all y'all. Diary of the Dead and most of the Hellraiser and Texas Chainsaw sequels are great movies.)
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Choco1980 posted:(Seriously though, gently caress all y'all. Diary of the Dead and most of the Hellraiser and Texas Chainsaw sequels are great movies.)  Yeah I gotta be honest, I think the burden of proof is on you here.
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Choco1980 posted:(Seriously though, gently caress all y'all. Diary of the Dead and most of the Hellraiser and Texas Chainsaw sequels are great movies.) You are the first person I've come across who has seen Diary of the Dead and not only liked it but called it "great".
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It's not like I don't sympathize. I think Sleepaway Camp II is capital-G Great. That can be a hard row to hoe.
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Horror as a genre has so much subjectivity when it comes to entertainment that we all likely have favorites that no one else we know likes. So why not just roll out some positive defenses of them? It's something to talk about, at least, and maybe someone will come out of the woodwork and add some insight or support. Heck, just in the past day or so I've seen other people namedrop The Beast Must Die and Razorback, two movies I enjoy that rarely come up in conversations I have.
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TCM 2 is great. The thread has mentioned it a bunch. I haven't seen every "Of the Dead" movies but I don't need to either. I saw the Day of the Dead remake with Nick Cannon and proved my Dead series loyalty. Steve Miner directed that too. It could have been a better movie but I doubt anyone cared on that set. temple fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Feb 27, 2014 |
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Choco1980 posted:(Seriously though, gently caress all y'all. Diary of the Dead and most of the Hellraiser and Texas Chainsaw sequels are great movies.) I'll admit to liking a lot of really unpopular movies by re-contextualizing them in my head. I thought the direct-to-video Hellraiser sequels were great if you imagined them as a Showtime horror anthology, The Texas Chainsaw was a great Friday the 13th sequel somewhere between part 6 and 8, and the second Silent Hill movie was great as a series of deleted scenes from Nightmare on Elm St 3 - 5.
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