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spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Krabsworth posted:

So I'm working at a Sears and I walk in today to start my night shift as a cashier when one of the managers catches me on the way in and says, "didn't last night's manager tell you not to come in?"

(They didn't tell me poo poo.)

My first thought is "christonafuckingcross," and I'm pretty much like, "lolwut," to the manager and she simply explains, "REDUCING HOURS KAY SEEYA :buddy:" I'm guessing its because they've hired a whole gaggle of new cashiers due to the fact that the prior ones couldn't meet up to the standards of enrolling 60% percent of customers in a loving reward program, but that is a whole other rant...my question that I have now is, do they have to pay me for two hours or anything because they failed to notify me my shift was cancelled?
You just regged here so I'll give you some advice, drop the lolspeak, it's frowned upon here.

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Robzor McFabulous
Jan 31, 2011
If you were there for a couple of hours then surely you must've done something to warrant getting paid? From the way you tell the story it sounds like you walked in, were told you weren't working that shift and that's that. If so, why were you there for two hours?

Nosaj
Apr 30, 2009
Haters Gonna Hate
A women from a strange number called me asking if we had cracker jacks 15 minutes ago.

5 minutes ago the same number and whats presumably the same women call asking if I have boxes of cracker jacks.

Me - "You just called and asked this"
Her - "No I didnt"
Me - "Ok well a women your age from the same number enquiring about the same product must have just called in the 15 minutes we've been open?"
Her -"So do you have any or not?"

If she wasnt so middle aged sounding Id swear I was being pranked.

Edit - after a third call I had to ask....apparently theres a big scavenger hunt going on in my city and a box of cracker jacks is one of the items you need. Wish I had nothing better to do on a weekday.

Nosaj fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Mar 31, 2011

bombhand
Jun 27, 2004

Robzor McFabulous posted:

If you were there for a couple of hours then surely you must've done something to warrant getting paid? From the way you tell the story it sounds like you walked in, were told you weren't working that shift and that's that. If so, why were you there for two hours?
In Canada (maybe just BC?), if you show up for a scheduled shift, your employer's required to pay you for two hours even if they send you home before that. The issue would then be determining whether the employee was notified ahead of time of the change in scheduling.

hawk989s
Feb 13, 2003

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Krabsworth posted:

Yes...so I'm guessing I get nothing huh?

If you showed up and they told you to go home, yeah you're poo poo out of luck.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

LonsomeSon posted:

Pizza Delivery Driver Tip Quick Reference Chart

:ohdear:

What about people who tip irregularly with varying amounts?

Also when I tip I always try to make sure to do it with singles so that the guy has an easier time making change if he needs to.

Raere
Dec 13, 2007

I had a pretty bad customer trying to haggle the other day. Elderly guy decides he wants to buy 2 HP laptops.

"Since I'm buying 2 computers, can ya give me a deal?".
"No sir, we don't have any deals going on right now"
"Well that's just unacceptable. why don't you throw in that office software"
"Again sir, we don't have any promotions right now. this laptop is on sale as it is"
"Well ya gotta give me something here"
"No sir, the prices are set in stone and I can't give you anything for free"
"Well I want a manager!"

I wish I could just tell the guy he's welcome to shop at Best Buy across the street, but if there's anything old people have it's time to complain to corporate.

I tell him that the managers can't give him any discounts either. Buying 2 $600 laptops doesn't get you free $130 software anywhere on the planet. I grab a manager to get into lockup to get the laptops for the guy. I tell the manager the story, and he suggests I tell the guy "we do offer volume discounts on computers starting at quantities of 100 :smug:". I think about it, but I decide this is a miserable old man who will only get angrier.

I knew trying to sell him any sort of services or plans would be completely futile, but I have to try anyway. I always recommend the setup services to older people, because half the time they come back asking what they should do when Windows asks them to make up a username. He refuses, says he'll figure it out himself. I doubt that, but we move on. I offer him a protection plan on one or both of the laptops, but he just says "nah I can drop the thing out the window and my grand kids will just buy me a new one anyway :smug:"

I start ringing him up and I tell him his total is $1199.98 (NH, no sales tax). His eyes bulge and he starts protesting, insisting the price is $550. I tell him that's after the $50 rebate. He demands that I bring the sign over and show him. I show him where it clearly says $600, and then in smaller letters, $550 after rebate. It's not like it was in the fine print at the bottom, it was right next to the price. He demands I take the $50 off now because of false advertising. I tell him I can't do that, he has to do the rebate if he wants his $50 for each of the laptops. He huffs and puffs but decides to proceed.

I tell him I'll need a manager approval because the sale is over $500. He starts complaining, saying we're treating him like a criminal and so on. The manager is over in 10 seconds flat to approve the transaction, but that doesn't stop him from whining for a solid 5 minutes about all the trouble he's had to go through, and how we won't give him any breaks. He finally leaves without even thanking me.

I wonder what it's like being a miserable old person who thinks we're a trading post and gets mad when we don't do anything besides sell him what's on the pricetag.

TShields
Mar 30, 2007

We can rule them like gods! ...Angry gods.
Holy crap, where did all the jobs go? I just went through 23 pages of Indeed.com after ignoring it for a week after getting incredibly frustrated with my job search and found ONE thing worth applying to. Time was when I could go through and find a half dozen things and at least throw my name in the hat. Slim pickings, friends... Still haven't heard from my ace-in-the-hole, not sure what's going on there. Goddamnit, when will my boat come in? I'm so sick of this poo poo.

Secret Machine
Jun 20, 2005

What the Hell?

Part-Time Robot posted:

At my first bookstore job, I found porn stuffed behind the toilet one night. Turns out it was a coworker who put it there after he was done using it. :gonk: He was a real creep, and later on it hit me that I went to high school with him. He tried to ask me out when I was 14 and he was a senior.

If you can take anything from your retail experience is the how far the depths of human depravity go. On the flip side, you will experience some of nicest people (co-workers/customers) you will ever meet in your life.

I once was ringing out a man's purchase when he all of a sudden spat on the floor in front of me.

Me - :stare:
Him (sheepishly) - "Uh, I guess I should clean that up?"
Me- *turns around to the cashwrap station, grabs box of tissues and and hands it to the guy without saying a word.*

He cleaned it up and went on his way. Looking back on it now, he did seem genuinely sorry and spitting on the ground might just have been a sub-conscious habit for him.


Honestly though, I reserved most of my contempt for the people who took out huge stacks of books/magazines, sat down, and when finished just left them for the employees to clean up along with their cafe trash. :argh:

Apocalypse Please
May 7, 2007

Is you takin' notes on a criminal fuckin' conspiracy?!

Raere posted:

I had a pretty bad customer trying to haggle the other day. Elderly guy decides he wants to buy 2 HP laptops.

"Since I'm buying 2 computers, can ya give me a deal?".
"No sir, we don't have any deals going on right now"
"Well that's just unacceptable. why don't you throw in that office software"
"Again sir, we don't have any promotions right now. this laptop is on sale as it is"
"Well ya gotta give me something here"
"No sir, the prices are set in stone and I can't give you anything for free"
"Well I want a manager!"

I wish I could just tell the guy he's welcome to shop at Best Buy across the street, but if there's anything old people have it's time to complain to corporate.

I tell him that the managers can't give him any discounts either. Buying 2 $600 laptops doesn't get you free $130 software anywhere on the planet. I grab a manager to get into lockup to get the laptops for the guy. I tell the manager the story, and he suggests I tell the guy "we do offer volume discounts on computers starting at quantities of 100 :smug:". I think about it, but I decide this is a miserable old man who will only get angrier.

I knew trying to sell him any sort of services or plans would be completely futile, but I have to try anyway. I always recommend the setup services to older people, because half the time they come back asking what they should do when Windows asks them to make up a username. He refuses, says he'll figure it out himself. I doubt that, but we move on. I offer him a protection plan on one or both of the laptops, but he just says "nah I can drop the thing out the window and my grand kids will just buy me a new one anyway :smug:"

I start ringing him up and I tell him his total is $1199.98 (NH, no sales tax). His eyes bulge and he starts protesting, insisting the price is $550. I tell him that's after the $50 rebate. He demands that I bring the sign over and show him. I show him where it clearly says $600, and then in smaller letters, $550 after rebate. It's not like it was in the fine print at the bottom, it was right next to the price. He demands I take the $50 off now because of false advertising. I tell him I can't do that, he has to do the rebate if he wants his $50 for each of the laptops. He huffs and puffs but decides to proceed.

I tell him I'll need a manager approval because the sale is over $500. He starts complaining, saying we're treating him like a criminal and so on. The manager is over in 10 seconds flat to approve the transaction, but that doesn't stop him from whining for a solid 5 minutes about all the trouble he's had to go through, and how we won't give him any breaks. He finally leaves without even thanking me.

I wonder what it's like being a miserable old person who thinks we're a trading post and gets mad when we don't do anything besides sell him what's on the pricetag.

This is pretty much how every old or ESL person transaction I have goes, except luckily we don't have rebates. I try to explain that the company makes like $20 on a laptop sale or even sometimes take a hit but no one believes me. No we aren't giving you a bunch of free poo poo for buying some dirt cheap hardware.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
So I'm about week 4 into this other company, and ugh... Fellow Coworkers:

I like you on two separate levels: Personally and Professionally. Professionally cause I'd like us to not have any bickering at work, and generally the day will go better if, at work, we act like best buds. However that doesn't roll onto how I like your personally. Ya, we all go to the same hotel after work, and generally I'm tired and stressed and as such I don't really want to go out. While how you treat me personally might make me like you better professionally, it isn't the same the other way around. What you do at work is work, I wont like you more personally cause you gave me the right shelves or rails. That's our job, its supposed to be done. However if you decide to stiff me somewhere, like give me the wrong sized shelves or planogram, you bet that'll make me hate you personally cause now thats effecting MY performance. In general I'll tolerate you on a professional level, even if you do stiff me but thats cause I hope throwing you under the bus will get you off the team. Once we clock out and I don't like you, don't expect me to be willing to spend my 6 hours of off time with you.

I only bring this up cause this one particular coworker just.. really irritates me. I'll be doing my set and she'll walk on by and shout "DO YOU HAVE THIS? HOW DOES THAT WORK? HAVE YOU SEEN THIS?". Uh sorry, I've been working on my set for the past 2 hours, I haven't seen YOUR stuff. Or I would be in the back condensing the overstock and she'll just barge into the already tight space and say "WHERE DOES THIS GO?!" Lady, I'm the new guy. Unless its something that belongs on the 4 sets I've done I don't know where your crap is. Hell I hardly know what I'm already DOING.

Not only that but I don't know half the time if she is talking to me. I was doing some quality control on some sets and I can just hear her complaining... and when I don't respond she gets louder. It honestly makes me wonder if she just starts saying poo poo when she's all alone.

Besides her, something that I dislike so far is that.. I don't really get told what to do. Literally we walk in, and the team lead tells us to clear off endcaps then... thats it. And I feel like I'm pestering her when I come to her every 10 minutes asking what I'm supposed to be doing cause I finished the last thing she told me to do. Next thing I know I'm kinda walking around trying to find other people doing stuff and jump on and help them, or she'll tell me "Ok go over to Lubricant and put rail 3 on the blah blah" and I'm just looking at her going "The gently caress does that mean in English?" So I go to that section, try and figure out what to do, before finding a more experienced co worker to show me the ropes.

I wouldn't mind except she's written me off as not being self sufficient, and not being motivated on my performance reports and has given me a score between the 50-60% range. I would be all that if you showed me how to do things! Instead I've been winging it and just getting lucky.


Oh and at this one store in a town of like a 95% Hispanic population, one of my coworkers complained about how these other guys were playing Mexican music. She then goes to the project manager and tells him "Can you tell those guys to turn off their Mexican music? That's rude, this isn't Mexico"

I could never look at the project manager again cause jesus christ that makes us look bad.

Raere
Dec 13, 2007

Apocalypse Please posted:

This is pretty much how every old or ESL person transaction I have goes, except luckily we don't have rebates. I try to explain that the company makes like $20 on a laptop sale or even sometimes take a hit but no one believes me. No we aren't giving you a bunch of free poo poo for buying some dirt cheap hardware.

The thing is that rebates at my place are notoriously easy (you can do it all online), but that may very well be even more difficult for old people than clipping UPCs and mailing them in. When I tell younger people they can do their rebate right online, they're usually happy about that. When you tell most old people that, they act like you told them they have to hike Everest in a wheelchair to get their 10 bucks.

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

CaptainPsyko posted:

Busting fake credit cards was the single best thing about working in high end electronics sales.

They always tried to buy the same thing too.
How does using fake credit cards work? If they're fake, wouldn't the credit card scanner just reject them?

TShields
Mar 30, 2007

We can rule them like gods! ...Angry gods.

Cicero posted:

How does using fake credit cards work? If they're fake, wouldn't the credit card scanner just reject them?

As I understand it, someone has to have a device to re-magnetize credit card strips. They also have a device that saves credit card scan data from gas pumps, ATM's, etc. Sometimes they will look really obvious, sometimes not. So they let people scan their cards for a while on their theft device, take those numbers, which they know to be active, and go re-magnetize burn cards- like old used gift cards, for example. So when the last 4 digits of the card show up on their receipt, it will not match the last 4 digits on the card they are using. For some purchases now, we have to physically take the credit card from the person and manually enter the last 4 digits after they've scanned their card to verify that they match what the magnetic strip says.

Credit card thieves are scum, and I hate that they have so much technology at their disposal. What gets me is where they get their hands on this poo poo in the first place..

Raere
Dec 13, 2007

TShields posted:

As I understand it, someone has to have a device to re-magnetize credit card strips. They also have a device that saves credit card scan data from gas pumps, ATM's, etc. Sometimes they will look really obvious, sometimes not. So they let people scan their cards for a while on their theft device, take those numbers, which they know to be active, and go re-magnetize burn cards- like old used gift cards, for example. So when the last 4 digits of the card show up on their receipt, it will not match the last 4 digits on the card they are using. For some purchases now, we have to physically take the credit card from the person and manually enter the last 4 digits after they've scanned their card to verify that they match what the magnetic strip says.

Credit card thieves are scum, and I hate that they have so much technology at their disposal. What gets me is where they get their hands on this poo poo in the first place..

Where I work, every credit transaction needs to have the last 4 digits entered by the cashier. It's good I guess, we can check the signature while we have it in our hands.

Chevy Slyme
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.

Cicero posted:

How does using fake credit cards work? If they're fake, wouldn't the credit card scanner just reject them?

the physical card itself is fake, but the number associated with it is stolen. Sometimes it's a 'real' card that's been remagnetized as TShields said.

Sometimes, they print up their own fake cards with the correct numbers on them. Those, if you got them in hand would be clearly visibly fake.

Like, I once had someone try to get me to swipe a "Mastercrad".

hawk989s
Feb 13, 2003

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CaptainPsyko posted:

Sometimes, they print up their own fake cards with the correct numbers on them. Those, if you got them in hand would be clearly visibly fake.

This is one of the reasons it seems so weird to me that the newer TD Credit/Debit cards are flat. It seems like these would be infinitely easier to reproduce than a card with raised numbers.

Chevy Slyme
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.

hawk989s posted:

This is one of the reasons it seems so weird to me that the newer TD Credit/Debit cards are flat. It seems like these would be infinitely easier to reproduce than a card with raised numbers.

Meh, raised numbers aren't hard to do, most of the fakes had them, and some were actually very good. One thing I would do when I got them is while I was 'waiting for the transaction to process', I'd google the phone number on the back of the card - the fakes invariably had numbers that didn't match the actual bank providing them, even on the impeccable ones.

Really though, 90% of preventing fraudulent credit card transactions is on the cashier to recognize what's happening before the card gets swiped though. In general, if you don't or somehow get forced to run the card, it'll go through as often as not.

spite house
Apr 28, 2009

Raere posted:

I've applied for 2 bookstore positions that are closer to home. One pays the same I make now ($9/hr) and one pays $8/hr. Anyone work at a bookstore and have experience to share? I'm willing to take the paycut if it means it's a 10-minute commute instead of 40. Not to mention it will hopefully be far less stressful.
This is a little late, but yay bookstores! Bookstores are by far the least odious form of retail. Yeah, the customers can be idiots, but your coworkers will probably be awesome (all mine have been, a couple of clueless managers aside), shelving and recovery is fairly painless, and you'll get some great stories.

Tips:

You need to be up on what is selling pretty much all the time, because your customers will have no clue. They won't know the title, they won't know the author, or they'll have both mangled beyond recognition. You need to know that the woman who comes in and insists that the book she wants is called "Elephant Water" actually wants "Water for Elephants". If you don't know this, a more learned bookseller will swoop in and make you look silly. Read the bestseller lists.

Learn how to work the search software on your own. Your training will likely be pretty sparse. You need to know how to game that poo poo or you'll never find anything. If you end up at a store that has internet terminals on the floor, thank your lucky stars.

Take advantage of your coworkers' expertise. Figure out who the mystery fanatic is, or the sci-fi nerd, or the kiddie-lit buff, so you know who to hit up for recommendations if you draw a blank. People love it when booksellers can suggest stuff, but you'll inevitably get someone who wants a rec for a genre you don't know poo poo about.

Do NOT opine about the quality of what the customers are buying. I have a total of two books I will straight-up tell people not to buy, and then only if asked. Sell Glenn Beck with a smile and like it.

Your store will probably get shipments of ARCs-- advanced reading copies of not-yet-published books come straight from the publisher. Read them. They are free, and a huge bonus of working in bookstores. Then you can handsell like a mofo when the books are actually released.

It helps if you really love to read and read widely.

If you're at a chain and you get in good, you can reliably get hired at any other chain location anywhere. I hopped from Barnes and Noble to Barnes and Noble for a long time, and although the money was never great it was always nice to have a more-or-less guaranteed job.

Pay attention when shelving. Read synopses on inside covers whenever possible. You can sell things you haven't read if you get good at the spiel.

I'm emphasizing handselling because it really is fun and although you won't get a raise for it, the bookstore business is so precarious that it may well be beneficial to your long-term employment if you help make your store a destination. Figure out one or two fiction titles, preferably backlist, that you can sell to pretty much anyone if you're at a loss. (Mine are Kingsolver's "The Bean Trees" and Ken Follett's "Eye of the Needle".)

You'll have fun if you do this right. Practice saying "no, we don't carry textbooks".

Also, and this is kinda huge: bookselling isn't necessarily dead-end retail. Really good booksellers can and do go on to much better things. We had someone get hired as a holiday cashier, who is now a regional rep for Random House. Serious bookselling encompasses a lot of useful skillsets and employers know this. Good luck!

[edit, again -- I forgot my favorite bookseller tip! The more general the customer's question, the more specific the answer they want will be. This is true in 85% of cases. The person who asks "where's the nonfiction section" (you'll get that one a lot) is actually looking for Chapman's "Five Love Languages", but for some reason they don't want to tell you. And they're usually wrong about where the book is. If they ask where a section is, ask if there's a specific title they're looking for right away. This will get them out of your hair faster, and they're less likely to come at you all pissed off later when they (inevitably) can't find the book.]

spite house fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Apr 1, 2011

ladyweapon
Nov 6, 2010

It reads all over his face,
like he's an Italian.

spite house posted:


You need to be up on what is selling pretty much all the time, because your customers will have no clue
If you really, really, care you can hit up your local library and ask around about whats constantly "on hold." Everyone from the pages to the librarians know what has a 10-30 person waitlist for checkout.

quote:

You'll have fun if you do this right. Practice saying "no, we don't carry textbooks".

:negative:


e. the pages more than the librarians. The pages are least likely to answer you depending on that particular library's rules of conduct. I know we (i'm a page) aren't allowed to tell anyone where the bathroom is, but across town pages help people with everything. Go figure v:)v

ladyweapon fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Apr 1, 2011

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
I dunno if its the heat here but I've had a headache and a constant feeling of anger all day after a phonecall from work. When I talked to the people and applied, I applied to be on the traveling crew. I have yet to loving leave California. Not only that, they said "All you have to do is worry about getting to the airport", which is like a 30 minute drive that my parents wouldn't mind driving to.

I don't have a license, which is why I applied for TRAVELING and not LOCAL. I sent them a STATE ID, not a DRIVERS LICENSE. And yet last week I saw on my schedule they set me for 3 different stores, all with 'drive daily' written on them, and I spent like 4 days trying to get a hold of someone to say "Check my record, I clearly didn't write down my insurance or send a picture of my license cause I don't have them."

Hell, the last few times they actually sent me to an airport to be picked up, first time the other two guys didn't show up. Second time I had to fuss around with calling the office for 2 hours cause the person who was supposed to pick me up didn't know she was supposed to pick me up, and the other 3 guys took their own cars without letting me know. Third time I called and said "Just letting you know you need to pick me up an hour earlier, cause the project is starting earlier." The response?

"We are picking you up?"

For fucks sakes guys, how hard is it to realize "Guy has no license, guy gets parents to drive him to airport, we send our company van to pick up guy"?

But the call today, the guy asks me "Can you drive your own car to work?" for this trip coming Sunday. I had to try so hard to not answer in the most smartass, passive aggressive rear end in a top hat way and say "I... don't have a car. In fact, I don't even have a license. My parents aren't gonna drive me 80 miles away for work, cause they gotta drive 80 miles back. And repeat to pick me up"

Queue him being quiet, then asking if I can go on amtrack. I despise public transportation. In fact I've never been on the amtrack, so I gotta hope someone there will be willing to hold my hand and get me on the right train and all that stuff.

This loving heat and inexcusable stupidity makes my stress skyrocket.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



spite house posted:

Do NOT opine about the quality of what the customers are buying. I have a total of two books I will straight-up tell people not to buy, and then only if asked. Sell Glenn Beck with a smile and like it.

The Secret and... ?

ladyweapon
Nov 6, 2010

It reads all over his face,
like he's an Italian.

greazeball posted:

The Secret and... ?

Any cookbook published by, or in conjunction with, Rachael Ray.

spite house
Apr 28, 2009

greazeball posted:

The Secret and... ?
Ha. The second is "anything by Kevin Trudeau", and they all count as one book because they're all the loving same and all a potentially dangerous ripoff.

2508084 posted:

Any cookbook published by, or in conjunction with, Rachael Ray.
I won't tell people not to buy her books exactly, but if asked I will explain why she sucks. No reason on earth to buy Rachael Ray when this exists.

Dodgeball
Sep 24, 2003

Oh no! Dodgeball is really scary!

spite house posted:

Ha. The second is "anything by Kevin Trudeau", and they all count as one book because they're all the loving same and all a potentially dangerous ripoff.

I won't tell people not to buy her books exactly, but if asked I will explain why she sucks. No reason on earth to buy Rachael Ray when this exists.

My uncle is trying to get me to read one of Kevin's books. Any chance you have a link that debunks him, so I can save myself a bunch of time reading this schlock?

spite house
Apr 28, 2009

Dodgeball posted:

My uncle is trying to get me to read one of Kevin's books. Any chance you have a link that debunks him, so I can save myself a bunch of time reading this schlock?
Here you go. Also, the books' primary focus is getting readers to pay money for a membership to the website. You don't see even jumped-up Oprah darlings like Dr. Oz or the Four Hour Body guy doing anything that blatant.

spite house fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Apr 1, 2011

Chevy Slyme
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.

Leal posted:

Queue him being quiet, then asking if I can go on amtrack. I despise public transportation. In fact I've never been on the amtrack, so I gotta hope someone there will be willing to hold my hand and get me on the right train and all that stuff.

This loving heat and inexcusable stupidity makes my stress skyrocket.

Amtrak isn't 'Public Transportation'.

An Amtrak train ride will have more in common with getting on an airplane than getting on a bus or subway.

Ring of Light
Sep 3, 2006

TShields posted:

Holy crap, where did all the jobs go? I just went through 23 pages of Indeed.com after ignoring it for a week after getting incredibly frustrated with my job search and found ONE thing worth applying to. Time was when I could go through and find a half dozen things and at least throw my name in the hat. Slim pickings, friends... Still haven't heard from my ace-in-the-hole, not sure what's going on there. Goddamnit, when will my boat come in? I'm so sick of this poo poo.

TShields, I don't know your reasons for abandoning teaching as a profession, but have you thought about substituting until you can land a full time gig outside of retail? Granted my situation is different because I am still looking for a full time teaching position, but the days when I sub are still 1000x easier and less stressful than the days when I am at my retail job. I also make over time and a half what I do in retail. Admittedly, I don't know what it is like in your area but here the average pay is about $100 a day after taxes. I know you decided teaching is not what you want to do for a career, but would subbing temporarily be as soul crushing for you as your current job?

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Yes, according to Fox News teaching is the cushiest job in the world and teachers are lazy slobs who are destroying the country.

I'd get on that gravy train while it's still running.

Ring of Light
Sep 3, 2006

I am not going to start a huge debate on teaching, but I was not saying that teaching is easy. I was saying that FOR ME, teaching/subbing is easier than retail, and I have a higher quality of life than when I was working retail full time right after graduation. This is probably because teaching is my chosen profession so I get personal fulfillment out of it, and it makes me feel like I am making connections that are getting me closer to landing a job in my field. Retail leaves me depressed, exhausted, and mentally and physically drained. Even really hard days subbing don't make me want to stab out my own eyeballs the way retail does. Subbing also allows me to earn a living wage. This year, other than in Nov. and Dec. when I was unpaid during holiday breaks, I made about $1800+ a month after taxes.

I was suggesting subbing to TShields because he hates his job and makes barely enough to get by. He said he quit teaching because he hated it, but he also hates his job now, and depending on why he hated teaching, subbing may be bearable for him for the short term. This also depends on if his area would support him subbing nearly daily as mine does. Subbing is a whole different beast from teaching. If administration bullshit and bureaucracy is why he got out of teaching then subbing might be ok as you get to avoid most of it. If classroom management and student discipline issues are why he got out then subbing would be his own personal hell.

TShields
Mar 30, 2007

We can rule them like gods! ...Angry gods.

Ring of Light posted:

If classroom management and student discipline issues are why he got out then subbing would be his own personal hell.

This was it, in a nutshell. In school, they can teach you all about the material, how to make a lesson plan, how to do this that and the other.. but NOTHING can prepare you for actually stepping inside a classroom and dealing with 34 (yes, 34 in nearly all my classes) teenage assholes who think that they're in gangs and who want to sleep and text and don't give two shits if they fail. I actually had a parent that I called tell me that she didn't give a gently caress what her kid did in my class, when he was at school, he was my problem. I'd rather work retail for the rest of my wretched existence than to ever teach again.

miscellaneous14
Mar 27, 2010

neat
So basically, working retail essentially tells you the sorry state of humanity in modern society; working as a teacher tells you how bad the future is going to be.

Personal nitpick: I have your food/drink, I'm announcing in an audible and clear voice what I have, now loving acknowledge that it's yours so I don't think I'm at the wrong table. The worst is people part of a fairly-sizable group/family, and I'll be looking at someone while saying what I have, and they'll just go "NOPE NOT OURS :v:" when it's someone else's in the group. For families, or even couples, there is no loving excuse for doing this, did you just completely turn your brain off when the other people/person ordered? Sometimes they'll just be completely silent (even when the movie hasn't started yet) when I'm giving them their stuff, and I have to look back a couple times to make sure I didn't give them the wrong thing. I know you're going to a place like this to enjoy yourselves, that doesn't mean leaving me to do guesswork as to who ordered what.

Also, the building is cramped enough as it is without people constantly loitering around certain chokepoints and blocking everyone from getting anywhere. I kid you not, some family arrived late to a movie, around the time when the majority of the food is delivered, and just stopped-dead in the middle of the one and only aisle to start watching the movie, completely blocking anyone from getting through. I was practically screaming to get their attention to get the hell out of the way. People just do not give a poo poo about whatever's going on behind them at all.

Raere
Dec 13, 2007

spite house posted:



Thanks for the positive tips. I worked as a library page for 3 years, and I love to read and write, so I'm decent with knowing what's hot and giving recommendations based on non-helpful descriptions (I want this book I saw, I think the cover is brown, I think the author's name began with A :downs:). My problem is that no bookstores in the area seem to be hiring. Is there a site that bookstores would use to post openings? I live about 20 minutes out of Boston, and I'd prefer to not have to go into the city for work. Although anything would be an improvement, I drive to NH (35 minute drive with zero traffic) for my retail job now.


I just really need to get out of my current job. It's not even the customers that are getting to me, it's the impossible deadlines and goals. We have goals set by management that are nearly impossible to reach, and deadlines that are absurd. At this point we're so behind in computer repair that after the store closes I have to keep working on computers instead of helping the guys on the floor block and clean up so we can all get out sooner. My boss is pretty strict and a neat freak, we have to clean the room basically every day, no matter how behind we are in work. At this point I basically dread going into work every day, because I know I'm going to walk into an overwhelming situation.

I was told today that for tomorrow:

- I have to make $600 in tech sales. I made $110 today, and that was a good day.
- I have to get more signups for some stupid promotion. No customers want to sign up, so we've resorted to putting down people's names without their knowledge if they come in to get computer work. A boss said to me today, "Try to get people to sign up. If they don't want to it doesn't matter, just put them down. I need better numbers to give to corporate."
- Crank through work orders. Sunday is the busiest day of the week, and there's only 1 tech on the entire day, so he's playing salesman the entire day, and no work gets done. I have to finish up to Monday's work on Saturday, because I know nothing will even get touched on Sunday.

I want to tell them if they don't hire at least two more people, I'm out. Apparently they've been trying, but they can't get anyone, and I can't wait. It's probably because they pay the techs the same amount as the sales guys, or less. $9 an hour for computer repair is absurd, food samplers at Costco make more.

It'd be one thing if my only job was fixing computers under deadlines. But half my time is spent selling, so I get the double whammy of horrible customers with the repair deadlines.

Raere fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Apr 2, 2011

Dodgeball
Sep 24, 2003

Oh no! Dodgeball is really scary!

Raere posted:

Thanks for the positive tips. I worked as a library page for 3 years, and I love to read and write, so I'm decent with knowing what's hot and giving recommendations based on non-helpful descriptions (I want this book I saw, I think the cover is brown, I think the author's name began with A :downs:). My problem is that no bookstores in the area seem to be hiring. Is there a site that bookstores would use to post openings? I live about 20 minutes out of Boston, and I'd prefer to not have to go into the city for work. Although anything would be an improvement, I drive to NH (35 minute drive with zero traffic) for my retail job now.

So would you pay taxes to Massachusetts or New Hampshire?

Raere
Dec 13, 2007

Dodgeball posted:

So would you pay taxes to Massachusetts or New Hampshire?

I paid taxes to Massachusetts for my last return.

spite house
Apr 28, 2009

Raere posted:

Is there a site that bookstores would use to post openings?
Not for entry-level that I know of; you pretty much have to pound the pavement.

Coffee Wolf
Oct 12, 2007

Mmmmm Banana

Raere posted:

I paid taxes to Massachusetts for my last return.


No income tax in NH - I should move to NH (not)
http://www.nh.gov/revenue/faq/gti-rev.htm

TShields
Mar 30, 2007

We can rule them like gods! ...Angry gods.

Raere posted:


- I have to get more signups for some stupid promotion. No customers want to sign up, so we've resorted to putting down people's names without their knowledge if they come in to get computer work. A boss said to me today, "Try to get people to sign up. If they don't want to it doesn't matter, just put them down. I need better numbers to give to corporate."


Stuff like that sends me into a rage. We have a new promotion for "beauty" items and the district manager, in all his wisdom, has set an arbitrary number of 10 new sign-ups a day. And the sign-up is done by zapping a bar code on a sheet of paper when ringing up the customer, and it also searches the receipt to make sure they have a qualifying beauty purchase on the receipt. If they don't, it doesn't count. So, his little "10 signups a day" assumes that we have 10 BRAND NEW people coming into the store EVERY DAY to buy "beauty" products. Hypothetically, sure- it could happen. But certainly not every day! Retail thrives on repeat business, eventually you flood the market with your promotion, so to speak, and you will eventually get 0 new sign-ups a day because you will have run out of people to sign up. It also assumes that our "locked-at-minimum-wage-because-the-loving-moron-DM-decided-they-don't-deserve-more" cashiers are going to give a poo poo about our stupid loving promotion and take the effort to zap the little thingie.

In the same vein, we have a 1-800 number that you MIGHT get on your receipt. It's one of those "Call and rate your service!" things that people never ever loving do, and it's also one of those "If we don't get a perfect score, WE FAIL!" type things. So you answer 1-5, and and any number that is not a 5 is a fail. What loving genius came up with that system? Because he's poisoned nearly every retail establishment that I've ever worked for with that stupid loving system. Hey, guess what? A 4 is pretty drat good too! They could have been miffed at some aspect of the store, like not having an item in stock or his coupon not working, but a 4 means that I did everything within my power for the customer other than giving him a hand job in the middle of the aisle!

And you know what we're supposed to do? We're supposed to ASK them to give us a PERFECT SCORE! How loving needy is that? "Yeah, I know we don't have what you're looking for, and we had to ignore you for 5 minutes because this old lady couldn't find her shade of nail polish and the district manager decided we don't deserve enough hours to staff the loving store even though we're the highest profit non-24 hour location in the entire loving district, so whenever a customer needs help finding anything our ONLY cashier has to leave their post and traipse around the floor finding the exact item that they're looking for that may or may not exist in the first place, but if it's not too much trouble can you call this 1-800 number and tell them we're absolutely perfect in every single loving way? That way, they can all pat themselves on the back at the corporate office and go back to doing loving nothing to get our company out of the shitter, and they'll go back to thanking our fuckhole DM for cutting our hours back, thus justifying further cutbacks in the future since obviously we're able to handle this sort of workload with a single employee at a time. Thanks!"

I've never in my life asked anyone, but I've seen people who make a point of it every single time. Hell, the photo lab supervisor tears off the portion of the receipt with the call-in (because it's very blatant and takes up like 4-6 inches of the end of the receipt) and calls them herself on her break just to artificially inflate our score. But she's worked for the company since 1986 and is a "team player".

TShields fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Apr 2, 2011

SpartanIvy
May 18, 2007
Hair Elf
I'm in the same boat but instead of beauty product sign ups its credit cards. Which by itself is an impossible thing to do since popular opinion these days is to steer away from excess debt, but they also don't give us any training to sell them so after the initial "would you like to sign up and save 5%" (which is nothing) if they have any questions I don't have an answer and I lose it.

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Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

TShields have you thought about non-profit work? In general it doesn't pay as well as the private sector, but I'm willing to bet it's still 100x better than retail. Try using idealist.org and see what you come up with.

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