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Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



WickedHate posted:

After this I might try GaoGaiGar. From what I've read it really sounds like something I'll love.

There's at least one person out there who agrees with you on that.

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ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

It is in fact like VOTOMS but better and the greatest creation of mankind.

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

WickedHate posted:

After this I mightWILL try watch GaoGaiGar. From what I've read it really sounds like something I'll love.

I can't hype GGG enough. It's my favorite show and I've yet to meet anyone who likes them some robutts who didn't love it.

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

I just finished up Nobunaga the Fool. It wound up being pretty mediocre, but I can't really hate on the show. It went in a really bold direction in the end and while it was messy as gently caress, I'll take that over farting out a generic way to end your show's conflict especially considering how the genre has been over the last few years (looking at you, Valvrave).

I guess I could say more about how Kawamori gets crazier as his settings get less grounded, or how a lot of the historical figures were really poorly used, but instead of that, I'm just gonna drop this excellent reinterpretation of The Last Supper, devoid of any context because everyone needs to see it:



I had to pause while watching because I was laughing so hard.

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

dis astranagant posted:

I can't hype GGG enough. It's my favorite show and I've yet to meet anyone who likes them some robutts who didn't love it.

Question: Did the dub cover the whole series? Dubs are just easier for me to watch, usually.

Srice posted:

I just finished up Nobunaga the Fool. It wound up being pretty mediocre, but I can't really hate on the show. It went in a really bold direction in the end and while it was messy as gently caress, I'll take that over farting out a generic way to end your show's conflict especially considering how the genre has been over the last few years (looking at you, Valvrave).

Huh, that was a mecha show, wasn't it? I still need to watch the last episode but I kept forgetting all about the war armor and the regelia. It was pretty good though, if weird to me how Ceaser became a good guy so easily after causing so much carnage.

WickedHate fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Jun 29, 2014

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

No, the dub only did the first half and it's really not a show you should watch dubbed. The writing and voice direction are both awkward as gently caress and the original voice track is some of the best work of some very good actors.

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

dis astranagant posted:

No, the dub only did the first half and it's really not a show you should watch dubbed. The writing and voice direction are both awkward as gently caress and the original voice track is some of the best work of some very good actors.

Alright then, sub it is. I'll start on it tomorrow.

Artum
Feb 13, 2012

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Soiled Meat
Beware, great though GaoGaiGar is the monster of the week stuff can be really dreary before episode 19 or so. After that its plain sailing and cool robots though.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Yeah, GaoGaiGar is definitely one of the best super robot shows ever made and I'd say a major inspiration for stuff like Gurren Lagann(especially the fourth quarter of GL) with the caveat that the initial setup episodes are very formulaic as they introduce various characters. Once the major storylines start up it never really stops though, and then you hit FINAL and your brain explodes with hype.

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
Ryosuke Takahashi is cool and GaoGaiGar Final is butt

Artum
Feb 13, 2012

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Soiled Meat

muike posted:

GaoGaiGar Final is butt
Them's fightin' words.

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
It was too tryhard in my opinion that's all, but i haven't seen it in like 7 years. the genesic gaogaigar also looks too death metal for me, save the forearms which are really cool since they're just loving cylinders

Paper Lion
Dec 14, 2009




ImpAtom posted:

It is in fact like VOTOMS but better and the greatest creation of mankind.

If you reference him, then you know he'll be summoned. He's the beetlejuice of insane opinions

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
I'm pretty sure he's banned so he probably won't come back, don't worry

tsob
Sep 26, 2006

Chalalala~

muike posted:

I'm pretty sure he's banned so he probably won't come back, don't worry

He got unbanned from /m/ recently, but was banned again within a few hours. His twitter afterwards said /m/ banned him for stupid reasons and that he was going to have to come up with $10 to rejoin SA. So yea, he might be back for a few hours at some point.

Artum
Feb 13, 2012

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Soiled Meat
ugh...

I'm all for cutting crazy people some slack since they literally can't help it but that guy can die in a fire. Yes gaogaigar is good, its not the only good thing ever made and him projecting his awful awful life onto literally everything else is intensely tiresome.

Maybe if we all talk at length about how gundam is great it'll ward him off.

SethSeries
Sep 10, 2013



Artum posted:

ugh...

I'm all for cutting crazy people some slack since they literally can't help it but that guy can die in a fire. Yes gaogaigar is good, its not the only good thing ever made and him projecting his awful awful life onto literally everything else is intensely tiresome.

Maybe if we all talk at length about how gundam is great it'll ward him off.

I think my favorite part of that was watching you guys try to be reasonable at first. That's enough meta talk though.

In all seriousness to the guy considering it, GGG is a really good show and I enjoyed it and if you like classic super robot shows it's in top form and does earn a lot of praise that it gets. If you want some more good stuff after go check out Shin Mazinger, Kotetsushin Jeeg, or if want Obari designed Mexican GaoGaiGar go watch GunXSword.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

GoaGaiGar is a good show but I think it gets hugely overhyped. The first arc in particular is extremely weak aside from a few standout moments and a lot of what it does has been done in previous Yuusha shows. Not to devalue all the things it does right but it is a pretty big victim of overhype at times.

Artum
Feb 13, 2012

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Soiled Meat
I'll throw in for watching GunXSword, that show is loving rad and pleasingly different to most mecha shows I've seen.Eldora FIVE!:buddy:

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

tsob posted:

He got unbanned from /m/ recently, but was banned again within a few hours. His twitter afterwards said /m/ banned him for stupid reasons and that he was going to have to come up with $10 to rejoin SA. So yea, he might be back for a few hours at some point.

Curious to know who you guys are referring to

Tobias Grant
May 16, 2009

Lucky for you, I'm a dog lover.

Artum posted:

I'll throw in for watching GunXSword, that show is loving rad and pleasingly different to most mecha shows I've seen.Eldora FIVE!:buddy:

Seconding this. It's by far my favorite anime.

Race Realists posted:

Curious to know who you guys are referring to

Clawshimpy, presumably.

Clever Spambot
Sep 16, 2009

You've lost that lovin' feeling,
Now it's gone...gone...
GONE....

Race Realists posted:

Curious to know who you guys are referring to

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3378881&userid=203938

He is an incredibly funny read until you realize he has actual problems and should see some sort of mental health specialist.

Artum
Feb 13, 2012

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Soiled Meat
Instead of doing that he dedicates his sad life to being wrong about things on the internet. Actually things is too broad, its just mecha anime, that is apparently the only thing in his life.

Still best get back on topic before zorak starts busting heads.

Relating to GunXSword talk, I also watched star driver and SRW: the inspectors; loved Star Driver to death liked SRW but couldnt recommend it on account of the fanservice stuff.

Dudes with swords shout "CHESTO!" in all three shows typically when jump slashing a guy, I'm assuming its a kendo thing but can someone explain it?

Artum fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Jun 29, 2014

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

Artum posted:

Dudes with swords shout "CHESTO!" in all three shows typically when jump slashing a guy, I'm assuming its a kendo thing but can someone explain it?

The short version is that Kendo scoring requires you to call out strokes you expect to hit.

HitTheTargets
Mar 3, 2006

I came here to laugh at you.

muike posted:

It was too tryhard in my opinion that's all, but i haven't seen it in like 7 years. the genesic gaogaigar also looks too death metal for me, save the forearms which are really cool since they're just loving cylinders

Too death metal? I... don't understand.

I wouldn't say it's too tryhard, because a lot of the cool stuff in GGG is the earnest, straight-faced way it uses ridiculous superhero stuff like ChouRyujin's "death" and return. That said, hoo boy did they make it obvious they were changing their target audience in a really weird way.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Srice posted:

I just finished up Nobunaga the Fool. It wound up being pretty mediocre, but I can't really hate on the show. It went in a really bold direction in the end and while it was messy as gently caress, I'll take that over farting out a generic way to end your show's conflict especially considering how the genre has been over the last few years (looking at you, Valvrave).

I guess I could say more about how Kawamori gets crazier as his settings get less grounded, or how a lot of the historical figures were really poorly used, but instead of that, I'm just gonna drop this excellent reinterpretation of The Last Supper, devoid of any context because everyone needs to see it:



I had to pause while watching because I was laughing so hard.

I watched the show to like episode 16 and basically gave up on it making any sense at all or ever not being horribly animated. Seriously, in a show with full CG robots you can't manage to actually show them fighting? The Takeda/Nobunaga fight was a loving joke. They sprung for an insert song for a fight that consisted of shaky portraits of the two pilots and the two mechs running next to each other.

It was pretty awesome when the crazy backstabbing murderer became a good guy in approximately 30 seconds, though. :rolleyes:

Artum posted:

I'll throw in for watching GunXSword, that show is loving rad and pleasingly different to most mecha shows I've seen.Eldora FIVE!:buddy:

It's one of the best mecha shows ever made.

ActionZero
Jan 22, 2011

I act once more in
imitation of light

Captain Invictus posted:

then you hit FINAL and your brain explodes with hype

The series is far better than FINAL which is a little bit dumb. :colbert: I will stand by this to my last day.

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Kanos posted:

It was pretty awesome when the crazy backstabbing murderer became a good guy in approximately 30 seconds, though. :rolleyes:

This is easily the most perplexing issue with the show. My best guess is that it was going for traditionally historical morality, where all the carnage happened at war but now they are at peace and can be best friends.

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

Kanos posted:

I watched the show to like episode 16 and basically gave up on it making any sense at all or ever not being horribly animated. Seriously, in a show with full CG robots you can't manage to actually show them fighting? The Takeda/Nobunaga fight was a loving joke. They sprung for an insert song for a fight that consisted of shaky portraits of the two pilots and the two mechs running next to each other.

It was pretty awesome when the crazy backstabbing murderer became a good guy in approximately 30 seconds, though. :rolleyes:

You might have some fun if you just skip to the final episode. It probably won't make sense but it might entertain you!

But yeah, they definitely had budget issues. Plus Satelight is a studio that used to be really good with CG mecha stuff back in the Macross Frontier days, but it feels like they haven't improved at all. You could show this to me back when Frontier was airing and I would never guess that it's from 2014 because goddamn, Frontier was so much better with its visuals. Meanwhile other studios have been putting out stuff with slick action. For all the dire problems in the scripts of stuff like Valvrave or Buddy Complex, the action was a consistent high point most of the time.

I could forgive the shoddy CG if the choreography was decent but it's not. And as for the writing, it really falls off the rails in the second half. When Kawamori gets into supernatural stuff in his shows it's so obtuse about it that I'm not even sure if he understands what he's writing. Plus it really feels like they went through some rewrites at the midway point because the show really changes and they completely forget about stuff like how the beginning of the show hinted that this was some sort of afterlife for all the historical figures.

Oh well, at least Macross is returning in the future. As long as Kawamori doesn't pull another Macross Zero I feel safe in saying his next stuff won't be mediocre, at least :v:

e: I guess the kindest thing I can say about Nobunaga the Fool is that it doesn't have the typical writing problems I have with a lot of recent (read: past 4 or 5 years) mecha shows. It has its own set of writing problems for sure, definitely no looking past that. But I think I made it to the end because its problems were such that I was curious to see how it'd end (and heck, I'd even call that ending better than what the show deserved, even though it was messy as all hell).

Srice fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jun 29, 2014

AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013

Artum posted:

I'll throw in for watching GunXSword, that show is loving rad and pleasingly different to most mecha shows I've seen.Eldora FIVE!:buddy:
I really want an Eldora Five spinoff show. But it'll never happen because GunxSword is almost a decade old now and a blip on the radar. :smith:

Artum
Feb 13, 2012

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Soiled Meat
I'd settle for any super robot shows being made at all. Seriously wheres the genre gone? The closest thing in a while has been Captain Earth but that skews more to the real/hybrid robots side of things 90% of the time.

Everything else is going for the exaggerated seed style real robots lately; Valrave, majestic prince, gargantia, lagrange, etc.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

Tobias Grant posted:

Seconding this. It's by far my favorite anime.


Clawshimpy, presumably.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOO



the less said about that guy, the better.

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

Artum posted:

I'd settle for any super robot shows being made at all. Seriously wheres the genre gone? The closest thing in a while has been Captain Earth but that skews more to the real/hybrid robots side of things 90% of the time.

Everything else is going for the exaggerated seed style real robots lately; Valrave, majestic prince, gargantia, lagrange, etc.

Nobunaga the Fool is definitely super!

Granted it's mediocre at best but hey, your criteria is "being made" :v:

e: Come to think of it the other recent super robot show I can think of is Aquarion Evol. Kawamori is doing what he can to keep the super robot torch burning, I guess.

Srice fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Jun 29, 2014

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax
I started GaoGaiGar. Thoughts within the first few minutes: I really wish anime would stop having uncensored genitalia of young boys, innocent or not. :sigh:

Edit: That is totally how microwaves and fridges work.

WickedHate fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jun 30, 2014

Daler Mehndi
Apr 10, 2005

Tunak Tunak Tun!
Kenzen Robo Daimidaler recently concluded and was very much a super robot show. However the over-the-top and often downright creepy fan service make it hard to recommend. :sigh:

wielder
Feb 16, 2008

"You had best not do that, Avatar!"

AradoBalanga posted:

I really want an Eldora Five spinoff show. But it'll never happen because GunxSword is almost a decade old now and a blip on the radar. :smith:

By extension, that state of affairs is related to the point Taniguchi was probably making, as someone who had regularly worked on Sunrise's long gone Super Robot shows. He was an episode director and storyboader for GaoGaiGar, the Eldoran trilogy and the PV for its never animated fourth entry. The market might well have moved on after the "golden age" for those series ended, sadly, but the Eldora Five showed there's still value to them.

wielder fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jun 30, 2014

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン

WickedHate posted:

I started GaoGaiGar. Thoughts within the first few minutes: I really wish anime would stop having uncensored genitalia of young boys, innocent or not. :sigh:

Edit: That is totally how microwaves and fridges work.

dicks are funny especially in crayon shin-chan

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

muike posted:

It was too tryhard in my opinion that's all, but i haven't seen it in like 7 years. the genesic gaogaigar also looks too death metal for me, save the forearms which are really cool since they're just loving cylinders

I liked FINAL it but yeah it definitely has some flaws. Though if you're saying this isn't the hypest combination sequence ever then you're wrong and stupid.

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
The combination's great and one of my favorite parts of gaogaigar is stock footage. I just don't like GGGG's animal traits like the tail and claw feet.

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Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Different strokes then, since I love that the various Final Gaos are two moles, two dolphins, and a bird.

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