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I was going to ask who the gently caress uses 'oriental' but then again it's Britain First so that answers that question.
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Sep 2, 2014 21:29
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It literally constitutes racist abuse in the US when applied to a person, not in the UK though, so we'll have to find something else to stick them for .
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Sep 2, 2014 21:33
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tooterfish posted:
i can't read minds through youtube like you can. but that's not at all unreasonable. people get their phones out for video all the time now as defensive measure in scary situations. it's either proof later of the aggressor's actions or a deterrent to him escalating.
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Sep 2, 2014 23:21
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Cerv posted:i can't read minds through youtube like you can. Although if you haven't got time to learn Jedi mind tricks, you could always try observing body language and tone of voice. It's not half as much fun as reading minds through youtube I admit, but it kinda works. Cerv posted:but that's not at all unreasonable. people get their phones out for video all the time now as defensive measure in scary situations. it's either proof later of the aggressor's actions or a deterrent to him escalating. It's not unreasonable to point out that no one in that video looked or acted like they were scared when it's brought up as a possible justification for what happened.
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Sep 3, 2014 06:43
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Racist. Bigot. Tomayto. Tomahto.
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Sep 3, 2014 10:33
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They could have used a less stereotypical white Muslim. (They could also not be complete pricks, but one step at a time. I wonder if they even know that there are white Muslims that aren't converts.)
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Sep 3, 2014 11:14
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I didn't! Can you elaborate a bit?
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Sep 3, 2014 12:04
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Tias posted:I didn't! Can you elaborate a bit? That's Enver Marić in the picture, a Bosnian goalkeeper. I have no idea to what extent he practices any religion, but it extends further than just practicing religion, so the old Irish joke about "well, are you a Catholic atheist or a Protestant atheist?" seems to apply. I had a friend who is white, looks 'western', and still follows some of the cultural parts of the Islamic faith, and occasionally got "what do you think about those loving Muslims?" comments from EDL-type assholes, so it's pretty clear that most of them are still thinking about a brown Middle Eastern or Pakistani person with a beard when they talk this poo poo, regardless of how much "not racist!" they shout.
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Sep 3, 2014 12:26
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Tias posted:I didn't! Can you elaborate a bit? Discounting converts in Western Europe having kids and raising them as Muslim... Eastern Europe and the Baltics have had huge Muslim born populations for hundreds and hundreds of years. Are they white enough for you?
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Sep 3, 2014 12:31
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Guavanaut posted:Bosniaks are Slavic Muslims that have lived in Bosnia since it was part of the Ottoman Empire, and have remained distinct as an ethnic group through occupation by Austria-Hungary, Federation with Yugoslavia, etc. Their main difference with the Orthodox Serbs (and other groups in the region) is a religious/cultural one. They generally belong to the Sunni branch of Islam although like with Indonesians there are cultural differences between them and what the West generally considers a Sunni Muslim. Ohh right. I knew about yugo christians, went to school with an albanian girl whose family was targeted for their faith. Guess I just have Stupid Euro syndrome where I don't consider automatically consider other caucasians white 
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Sep 3, 2014 12:55
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Byolante posted:I am glad that we are celebrating people making potentially fatal attacks on OAPs in kebab shops because they said something rude. It's important to remember that provocation gives you free reign to do whatever you like. That's why we get to blame rape victims for being drunk and shoot burglars who are trying to steal your nintendo
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Sep 3, 2014 14:54
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Tongues posted:It's important to remember that provocation gives you free reign to do whatever you like. That's why we get to blame rape victims for being drunk and shoot burglars who are trying to steal your nintendo Next time you say something mean about Stoke I am going to run you over with a lawnmower.
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Sep 3, 2014 14:56
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Byolante posted:Next time you say something mean about Stoke I am going to run you over with a lawnmower. One time my girlfriend left the car radio on too loud and it startled me on my way to work so I drove the car off a cliff
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Sep 3, 2014 15:34
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So this is a thing http://www.vice.com/read/british-nationalists-cross-burning-736?utm_source=vicetwitterus
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Sep 13, 2014 00:33
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Hot fash on fash action in Rotherham. EDL scuffled with nazis, with confused police in the middle. http://antifascistnetwork.org/2014/09/15/scum-on-filth-on-scum-report-of-edl-demo-in-rotherham/
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Sep 16, 2014 10:24
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Gorilla Salad posted:Racist. Bigot. Tomayto. Tomahto. Then your definition of bigot is meaningless. It's like the US and "terrorist" or Russia and "Fascist". If someone starts a religion that eats pies filled with poo poo because the invisible poo poo pie god told them to, a person should be allowed to call them idiots. This would make them bigots. What does that actually mean? In this case bigot means "someone who thinks the poo poo pie eaters are idiots". I agree that everyone should be allowed to practice a religion without harassment but the idea that it is somehow automatically negative to disagree with the entire concept of a specific religion i.e "this poo poo is retarded" is intellectually bankrupt. Now one could argue, and often do, that those who insult Islam are often doing so for racist reasons and using "hatred of religion" as a cover. But you didn't argue that. You accepted the claim that the dislike was targeted at the religion and not the individuals or their race. And then you decried it anyway. I feel it is dangerous for any religion to become safe from criticism. Even petty insults. This doesn't mean I think that you can shout things at people in the street. That's an issue that extends beyond religion. Harassment is bad full stop. If stealth racism is such a possibility then unfortunately the solution is to tackle each and every case individually. It's almost as if context is everything.
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Sep 17, 2014 02:22
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I'm not sure you know what bigotry is. It's not 'thinking someone with different beliefs' are stupid, it's a deep grained indoctrinated fear and prejudice over something that literally does not matter I mean, if someone's religion affects you in a meaningful way that has an actual negative influence on your day to day existence, then such prejudice may not be entirely unfounded. For the vast majority of people, a Muslim praying to Mecca five times a day doesn't actually harm them unless they consider the entire concept offensive to begin with, in which case it's not really a problem with the Muslim, is it?
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Sep 17, 2014 09:48
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Just found out the EDL are planing a march down Whitehall on Saturday. Initial reactions were 'the EDL still exist?' and 'Christ that's going to be a shitshow'
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Sep 17, 2014 10:54
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Crameltonian posted:Just found out the EDL are planing a march down Whitehall on Saturday. Initial reactions were 'the EDL still exist?' and 'Christ that's going to be a shitshow' Nah, they will just stand around drinking in the Red Lion until a couple of them get arrested, just like last time.
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Sep 17, 2014 12:38
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or Halfway To Heaven, up until the point they realise they're accidentally in a gay bar
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Sep 17, 2014 14:40
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Regarde Aduck posted:Then your definition of bigot is meaningless. It's like the US and "terrorist" or Russia and "Fascist". If someone starts a religion that eats pies filled with poo poo because the invisible poo poo pie god told them to, a person should be allowed to call them idiots. This would make them bigots. What does that actually mean? In this case bigot means "someone who thinks the poo poo pie eaters are idiots". Okay, I'm going to have to go with Ddraig here and say that you may just not know what bigotry is. But that's not helpful to anyone and leaves us standing still. So, before we go further and argue past each other, perhaps you could tell me what you think bigotry mean? I'm using a simple definition you can find in most dictionaries. Of course, for many concepts, the dictionary is the place where you start and the definition they give might not be the one which is best to use. But all things being equal, it's a good place to start. Wikipedia posted:Bigotry is a state of mind where a person holds stubborn and complete views regarding other groups with fear, distrust, prejudice or hatred solely on the basis of ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or other group characteristics. This is how I was using the term. When a group like Britain First comes out and starts saying horrible poo poo about people, I am less than well inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt of being intellectually honest and acting without with irrational prejudice and hate. It was through this lens I looked at their Facebook post saying it's okay to hate Muslims because it's not technically racist and made my retort. I would have gone with 'prejudiced' instead of 'bigot' but the latter term can roll off the tongue with a lot more force. It's the different between calling someone a "fornicator" and a "fucker", if you will. And Britain First are truly a bunch of fuckers. So, what is a bigot to you? Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Sep 17, 2014 |
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Sep 17, 2014 15:09
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmb36nV_cZY A really interesting and extremely biased British documentary about Anti-racist, and anti-fascist organisations. With great quotes such as "Anti-Nazism had won over anti-racism" (when people try to attack the BNP, instead of marching peacefully  ), and an anonymous silhouetted interview with someone who claims to be scared of reprisals by the SWP, of all people
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Sep 21, 2014 01:34
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DesperateDan posted:Aye, looks like the gormless little shite didn't learn: The church in my town got turned into a nightclub. And then closed down. Wonder if that's better or worse than Mosque to the EDL? I might be getting my headgear wrong, but the guy in the top right looks like a Sikh, not a Muslim. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Sep 21, 2014 |
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Sep 21, 2014 02:10
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Isn't being scared of reprisal by the SWP like being scared of reprisal by CutCo sellers, except slightly less scary since CutCo sellers have lovely knives instead of lovely newspapers?
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Sep 21, 2014 02:28
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Isn't being scared of reprisal by the SWP like being scared of reprisal by CutCo sellers, except slightly less scary since CutCo sellers have lovely knives instead of lovely newspapers? Assuming you're not young, female, and alone in a room with the SWP member in question.
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Sep 21, 2014 02:45
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OwlFancier posted:The church in my town got turned into a nightclub.
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Sep 21, 2014 03:36
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OwlFancier posted:The church in my town got turned into a nightclub. Not really related to EDL chat but you're not talking about old Elements nightclub in Bedford are you? Otherwise the same thing happening to two churches is a bit of a laugh Been lurking but the threads been mostly great, keep up the good fight lads
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Sep 23, 2014 13:06
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Zero Star posted:The fascist Britain First group has started a manhunt for Anjem Choudary, aka the guy supposedly responsible for brainwashing the Woolwich killers. The idea is that people give their names, email addresses and phone numbers, along with any information they might have as to his whereabouts. Easiest manhunt ever, now that he's allegedly been arrested already. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11120438/Anjem-Choudary-among-nine-men-arrested-by-counter-terror-police.html
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Sep 25, 2014 11:42
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Odds on Britain First trying to claim that they were the ones that did it?
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Sep 25, 2014 12:08
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IceAgeComing posted:Odds on Britain First trying to claim that they were the ones that did it? Paul Golding and a bunch of others were arrested/had their homes raided earlier this week - so I reckon they've got other things on their minds right now.
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Sep 25, 2014 12:17
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Sep 25, 2014 12:25
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Tiger Millionaire posted:Not really related to EDL chat but you're not talking about old Elements nightclub in Bedford are you? Otherwise the same thing happening to two churches is a bit of a laugh Sup fellow Bedfordian, that night club will forever be called Mission to me. I went to a Pitcher and Piano in Nottingham that was in a church, and there's an all you can eat Chinese in one in Derby, with the desserts where the alter should be.
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Sep 25, 2014 13:53
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Bozza posted:I went to a Pitcher and Piano in Nottingham that was in a church, and there's an all you can eat Chinese in one in Derby, with the desserts where the alter should be. Now this is a church I can get behind.
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Sep 25, 2014 14:02
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Aberdeen alone has 4 former churches that act as bars/nightclubs that I can think of, there's probably more I'm forgetting. The Priory, Slain's Castle, Soul Bar, and Triplekirks. It's really not uncommon.
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Sep 26, 2014 01:03
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Leeds has a nightclub and the university's business school in converted churches.
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Sep 26, 2014 03:57
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I'm fairly sure that one of those is a sin. Unless a guy wearing a sheet bursts in and starts smacking business undergrads with a switch every few years.
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Sep 26, 2014 09:59
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Puntification posted:Leeds has a nightclub and the university's business school in converted churches. Ah, Halo, its reputation proceeds it. It very almost got shut down last week. A club night called Tequila got kicked out of its original club, ostensibly for H&S violations from free-pouring (in reality, it was more the fact that they ran a promotion called "Freshers Violation"). The council then indicated that any club who took Tequila in would also get H&S checks. I'm pretty sure that the Academy in Leeds is also a converted church. Lots of them around the city.
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Sep 26, 2014 12:54
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TinTower posted:Ah, Halo, its reputation proceeds it. Yeah it did seem that way. Man there were so many lovely clubs with dodgy practices - just before I left, there was an article in one of the local papers about one of the clubs, it was storing drain cleaner in a bottle of aftershock for some reason and hospitalised some patrons after serving it by accident.
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IceAgeComing posted:Odds on Britain First trying to claim that they were the ones that did it? Quoting again because, apparently, they actually did it. And then, about two hours later, someone from the edl intelligence division claimed they did it. http://edlnews.co.uk/featured-stories/derek-fender-corner/1375-the-battle-of-the-far-right-con-men-the-edl-intelligence-team-speak-out They also claimed that they ( edl intdiv ) were responsible for the raids of Britian First homes this week. :popcorn:
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