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Oh God What posted:Was it ever explained or even passingly hinted who made The Text? The text message to Nash "whatever happens, stick the winner"? Nash sent it to himself.
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Oh God What posted:Was it ever explained or even passingly hinted who made The Text? Jay 2K Winger posted:The text message to Nash "whatever happens, stick the winner"? I still don't think the angle is over with yet because they repeatedly show Johnny Ace texting people on screen
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Jan 3, 2012 01:18
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Oatgan posted:I still don't think the angle is over with yet because they repeatedly show Johnny Ace texting people on screen He's texting himself to let him know how good a job he's doing as Interim GM of Raw
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Jan 3, 2012 01:23
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Jay 2K Winger posted:The text message to Nash "whatever happens, stick the winner"? From Triple H's phone, right?
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Jan 3, 2012 01:37
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:From Triple H's phone, right? The perfect crime.
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Jan 3, 2012 01:41
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:From Triple H's phone, right? Correct. Apparently there was a security camera positioned at HHH's locker room and Nash was the only one who went in when the message was sent.
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Jan 3, 2012 07:00
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LordPants posted:That was a classic WWE gently caress up. Orton v. Barrett with Cena as referee. If Barrett doesn't win the title Cena gets fired. He main evented a PPV in a singles match long after he cooled off. Main eventing a PPV these days does not indicate someone is red hot.
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Jan 3, 2012 07:02
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Oatgan posted:I still don't think the angle is over with yet because they repeatedly show Johnny Ace texting people on screen He's not texting, he's Tweeting.
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Jan 3, 2012 07:09
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So my younger brother asked me a question and I honestly couldn't answer it so I hope someone might be able to. He was curious if champions were allowed to carry their belts town to town (or home as it were) and I thought that probably not, seeing as the belts are probably worth some money. As an aside, I was watching the Shawn Michaels DVD on Netflix today and he mentioned about having the belt in Texas leading to that WM 10 ladder match. Is that something that used to happen, or has that changed?
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Jan 3, 2012 07:30
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Quasipox posted:So my younger brother asked me a question and I honestly couldn't answer it so I hope someone might be able to. He was curious if champions were allowed to carry their belts town to town (or home as it were) and I thought that probably not, seeing as the belts are probably worth some money. There is a belt the champions travel with and a belt they keep backstage for use on TV.
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Jan 3, 2012 07:41
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Quasipox posted:So my younger brother asked me a question and I honestly couldn't answer it so I hope someone might be able to. He was curious if champions were allowed to carry their belts town to town (or home as it were) and I thought that probably not, seeing as the belts are probably worth some money. I have no clue how old this info is, or even if it was ever true, but I thought they put down a security deposit on it to travel with it basically? Ryder has the US belt on the scenes from his show that are in his home, and I could swear that you'd occasionally see candids of wrestlers with fans and the belt. [edit: beaten and wrong!]
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Jan 3, 2012 07:43
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spongeh posted:I have no clue how old this info is, or even if it was ever true, but I thought they put down a security deposit on it to travel with it basically? Ryder has the US belt on the scenes from his show that are in his home, and I could swear that you'd occasionally see candids of wrestlers with fans and the belt. You are thinking of the NWA World Title. Champions had to put a $25,000 bond down. This is what led to Flair bringing the belt to the WWF as he was never repaid the money and never lost the belt so he said "gently caress you guys."
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Jan 3, 2012 07:49
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MassRayPer posted:You are thinking of the NWA World Title. Champions had to put a $25,000 bond down. This is what led to Flair bringing the belt to the WWF as he was never repaid the money and never lost the belt so he said "gently caress you guys." That reminds me of something else. When Alundra Blayze dropped the women's title in the trash on Nitro; I'm assuming that was a traveling belt?
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Jan 3, 2012 08:05
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Quasipox posted:That reminds me of something else. When Alundra Blayze dropped the women's title in the trash on Nitro; I'm assuming that was a traveling belt? Good question. I've always assumed the "traveling belt/tv belt" thing to be a product of HD tv, i.e. that they'd come up with that because in HD you could really see how much wear and tear the belts had. But they certainly could have had traveling and tv belts back then too.
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Jan 3, 2012 14:16
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When was the first time a promotion used vignettes to hype a wrestlers debut/return?
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Jan 3, 2012 14:29
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Perry Normal posted:Good question. I've always assumed the "traveling belt/tv belt" thing to be a product of HD tv, i.e. that they'd come up with that because in HD you could really see how much wear and tear the belts had. But they certainly could have had traveling and tv belts back then too. It existed before HD, but maybe not before the 90s. WWF had a TV belt that the production crew kept to ensure it looked better on TV. WCW, at least towards the end of Nitro since Lance Storm said this, only had one belt and the TV crew kept it at all times (and occasionally forgot to bring it). During house shows they just didn't have belts.
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Jan 3, 2012 14:37
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Oatgan posted:I still don't think the angle is over with yet because they repeatedly show Johnny Ace texting people on screen He got a huge reaction when the texting was a mystery. Although when he finally goes full-blown heel it'd be great if he reveals that he texted Kevin Nash to send a text to himself from Triple H's phone.
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Jan 3, 2012 15:37
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Web Jew.0 posted:He got a huge reaction when the texting was a mystery. Although when he finally goes full-blown heel it'd be great if he reveals that he texted Kevin Nash to send a text to himself from Triple H's phone. I want it to be revealed he texted Punk's sister to Text him she thought Nash was dead, Johnny Ace was behind all the texts, ever.
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Jan 3, 2012 16:19
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Johnny Ace is sexting with hot women from Miami (because Johnny Ace is a pro-wrestling god)
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Jan 3, 2012 16:51
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Quasipox posted:That reminds me of something else. When Alundra Blayze dropped the women's title in the trash on Nitro; I'm assuming that was a traveling belt? That was the only belt. The traveling belt came about basically because of that.
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Jan 3, 2012 17:34
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Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:When was the first time a promotion used vignettes to hype a wrestlers debut/return? On the other hand, the WWF did character pieces to establish a person's gimmick. All that said, I couldn't point out the very first ones, but those are probably the starting points.
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Jan 3, 2012 18:56
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Do you think wrestling was actually better during the 90s or people weren't burnt out on it or what? I watch these old WCW and WWF videos and the crowd is just erupting over angles that don't seem all that different from what they do today.
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Jan 3, 2012 19:50
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Burt Buckle posted:Do you think wrestling was actually better during the 90s or people weren't burnt out on it or what? I watch these old WCW and WWF videos and the crowd is just erupting over angles that don't seem all that different from what they do today. The actual "wrestling" or the products themselves? In terms of in ring product, the late 90's were about the same, you had your high flyer guys and your good in ring guys, and you had your hosses and 5 move wonders. The difference being that the 5 move guys just brawled and used a lot more weapons shots to cover, rather than the Mason-Ryanish stuff you see now. There was definetly a deeper talent pool to draw from, so mid card matches were actually fun to watch as opposed to throwaway stuff. The actual shows? Night and day. You had two huge promotions going balls out to one up each other, booking poo poo on the fly and spending tons of money to poach each other's wrestlers. You had ECW delivering a truly "different" product with a much more adult edge (at least from 95 through 97 or so) that actually made it "cool" to be into wrestling. Seriously, the old Raven Black & White shirt was a thing back in HS. People actually had a "WCW" or "WWF" side. Basically you had what the UFC/MMA has today. I think the biggest difference simply came from there being alternatives. If a mid show segment sucked on raw, you flipped to nitro, and likewise. They knew this, and the crap got cut quick. Now? There's just no "fire" to any of the angles, the promos are stunted and you know there won't be any surprises. A late nineties crowd expected something huge/stupid to happen, now it's just going to be the same mid show filler, a cena segment, hulk up and go home. The show has stagnated so much the past 10 years or so.
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Jan 3, 2012 20:16
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Burt Buckle posted:Do you think wrestling was actually better during the 90s or people weren't burnt out on it or what? I watch these old WCW and WWF videos and the crowd is just erupting over angles that don't seem all that different from what they do today. I feel like it was this feedback loop: the wrestling industry was hot which made all the angles & wrestlers hot. And that made the industry even more popular, which made the wrestlers more popular, etc etc. Now no one cares about wrestling so everything feels more flat. It's kind of like hockey back in the Gretzky days. I was reading this book that explained how Gretzky in LA made hockey more popular, and it kept building and building until that bubble burst.
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Jan 3, 2012 20:16
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Burt Buckle posted:Do you think wrestling was actually better during the 90s or people weren't burnt out on it or what? I watch these old WCW and WWF videos and the crowd is just erupting over angles that don't seem all that different from what they do today. Don't you think that is part of the problem? That the angles are the same from 12-15 years ago?
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Jan 3, 2012 20:20
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Burt Buckle posted:Do you think wrestling was actually better during the 90s or people weren't burnt out on it or what? I watch these old WCW and WWF videos and the crowd is just erupting over angles that don't seem all that different from what they do today. People tend to remember the good instead of the bad. For example, the New Age Outlaws. People remember the few good stuff they did instead of when episodes consisted of 30 minutes of bad NAO jokes. That said, I still contend that 1997 WCW Nitro was better than any other year of TV Wrestling. Most booking was either simple or smart. We don't watch enough 1997 in the WCW viewing thread.
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Jan 3, 2012 20:21
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quote:People tend to remember the good instead of the bad. For example, the New Age Outlaws. People remember the few good stuff they did instead of when episodes consisted of 30 minutes of bad NAO jokes. Which goes back to what I said. You basically had two (or 3, factoring in that ECW ran "hardcore TV" in the 8pm monday slot in a lot of markets) companies producing a 2-3 hour block of TV on Monday nights. Flip through channels, and yea, the crap gets forgotten because you've switched to the other show.
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Jan 3, 2012 20:25
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Each year of the Attitude Era might as well be its own era since they were so different. 1996 is mostly bad with some decent WCW undercard stuff and the NWO being really amazing. 97 was awesome with great booking in WWF and WCW in addition to great matches all year (Wrestlemania & Starrcade being duds notwithstanding). 1998 is mostly bad with WCW showing cracks in the armor & Cornette being booted from the WWF writing team to give Russo more power. 1999 is the year that every promotion on the planet was horrible, but WCW did have Spring Stampede, the one good show of the year. 2000 was very good for WWF (although not as perfect as people remember, and I was certainly guilty of that) and unbelievably bad for WCW. It's hard to compare because while the current product is garbage, it's BORING garbage. It's more like 1995 WWF than any of these years. 1998 was mostly horrible, but it was train wreck TV and at the time it was legitimately exciting since it hadn't been run into the ground yet.
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Jan 3, 2012 20:29
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Lone Rogue posted:People tend to remember the good instead of the bad. Which is why no one remembers the bad parts of shows like DoA, the NWA invasion, Truth Commision, the Godwinns/Southern Justice, the Headbangers, Los Boricuas, Tiger Ali Singh, Dan Severn (an anachronism in the Attitude era)...
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ThatCguy posted:Which goes back to what I said. You basically had two (or 3, factoring in that ECW ran "hardcore TV" in the 8pm monday slot in a lot of markets) companies producing a 2-3 hour block of TV on Monday nights. Flip through channels, and yea, the crap gets forgotten because you've switched to the other show. Someone once said the only way to properly do a Raw/Nitro Monday Night Wars show is to have a channel change at commercials or bad segments to the next product. At least for Americans. I don't want to take away from what was going on, because there was a lot of really great stuff, but... a lot of it was great for 15 year olds. Not adults who actually understand pro wrestling. Especially on the Raw is War product, it was best for people who wanted violence, sex and vulgarity. Raw at times really was just Jerry Springer with a ring.
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Jan 3, 2012 20:31
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The problem is that WWE is just loving boring. It's just "Roar! Strong Johns!" Even in the attitude era, if a storyline was bad, you at least had the novelty of watching a porn star wrestling a freak who painted himself gold.
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Jan 3, 2012 20:36
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I go back to this often, but I am in the process of rewatching the entire WWF Attitude era so I have a pretty fresh memory when it comes to these debates. There was a lot of poo poo from 1997-2000 in the WWF for sure. But I think the key to their success was two things: a consistent narrative and cliffhanger episodes. Pretty much every drat show ended with a cliffhanger of some sort. Raw always left you with a feeling of drat I need to see what happens next! Contrast that to now, where really a lot of episodes just end with Cena standing tall or some other babyface celebrating. This ties into their overarching storylines. Austin vs McMahon really was a great feud. Sure it didn't always make sense, but I do think it's both one of the most simple & complex wrestling stories there has been.
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triplexpac posted:Pretty much every drat show ended with a cliffhanger of some sort. Raw always left you with a feeling of drat I need to see what happens next! Contrast that to now, where really a lot of episodes just end with Cena standing tall or some other babyface celebrating. This is definitely something missing and something ROH has tried to replace with time limit draws or near time limit draws and... yeah it hasn't worked yet. Cliffhangers were good. Or the Nitro, "WE'RE OUTTA TIME!". We laugh about it now but it was really a way to get your adreneline high and then get the rug pulled underneath you so you go, "Man, I gotta see next week now!"
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Jan 3, 2012 20:37
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triplexpac posted:This ties into their overarching storylines. Austin vs McMahon really was a great feud. Sure it didn't always make sense, but I do think it's both one of the most simple & complex wrestling stories there has been. This is something I miss in wrestling. During the late 90's you had Austin vs McMahon and the NWO, both of those storylines affected the whole show from midcarders to the main events. In WWF, McMahon's Corporation could be feuding with Austin and DX at the same time while Mankind is trying to suck up to Vince, while in WCW people would be wondering who was going to be next to stab their friend in the back and join up with the NWO. It made you not want to miss an episode because you might miss something cool. Now I feel I could go months without watching Raw and not miss anything.
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There's really nobody in today's WWE that combines Austin's level of talent and mainstream popularity. Everybody in America at least knew Austin as "that wrestler guy", now there's no regulars that non-fans would know. Plus when the product is red hot it probably helped inspire everybody since it seemed more special more often.
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RoleModel posted:Which is why no one remembers the bad parts of shows like DoA, the NWA invasion, Truth Commision, the Godwinns/Southern Justice, the Headbangers, Los Boricuas, Tiger Ali Singh, Dan Severn (an anachronism in the Attitude era)... Headbangers, Truth Commission, Dan Severn, and Los Broicuas where awesome. I can confirm this having watched RAW '98 recently.
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Jan 3, 2012 21:16
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KildarX posted:Headbangers, Truth Commission, Dan Severn, and Los Broicuas where awesome. I can confirm this having watched RAW '98 recently. Which version of the truth commission? Before or after Cyrus showed up? I mean, both were terrible, but both were campy and enjoyable, too!
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Jan 3, 2012 21:24
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:Which version of the truth commission? Before or after Cyrus showed up? No shock that with a name like Manflurry that you were Jackylling off.
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Monkeycheese posted:There's really nobody in today's WWE that combines Austin's level of talent and mainstream popularity. Everybody in America at least knew Austin as "that wrestler guy", now there's no regulars that non-fans would know. Plus when the product is red hot it probably helped inspire everybody since it seemed more special more often. Cena is on the border. He's well-known enough that if you know anything about wrestling (as in knowing that it is 'a thing that exists'), you've heard of him. But even Orton hasn't gotten to that level.
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Gaz-L posted:Cena is on the border. He's well-known enough that if you know anything about wrestling (as in knowing that it is 'a thing that exists'), you've heard of him. But even Orton hasn't gotten to that level. My dad bought The Marine and had no idea Cena was a wrestler. 
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