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Our core was at 22% when the Li Li, Li Ming, and Falstad started leaving, and their boss was only going to get a couple more hits in. Of those 3, Li Li could definitely have survived for quite a few AAs if she avoids our numerous stuns. If any of the 3 went to one of the two active temples and gotten even 1 shot, we would've lost. Sometimes you're the pigeon, and sometimes you're the statue
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Orange Crush Rush posted:We are living in a timeline where James "Jimmy" Raynor is a strong contender for best Solo Laner in the game. After bullying Blaze hard enough to force a rotation, I tried solo laning as Leoric versus Raynor in a recent Braxis game. I don't think I've ever felt so useless in my entire life.
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Raynor is extremely overpowered. The devs made his numbers stupidly high, that's "all it took" to make him "meta". Isnt it crazy he shares the same name as the character who was bad? Insane really, this game is full of surprises.
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No Wave posted:Raynor is extremely overpowered. The devs made his numbers stupidly high, that's "all it took" to make him "meta". Isnt it crazy he shares the same name as the character who was bad? Insane really, this game is full of surprises. I just like that Raynor and Azmo were in the same patch. Like Azmo's rework is super conservative and they went out of their way to not let him be too powerful, but then they just put in this Raynor. It's hilarious. The most likely thing now is that they will overnerf Raynor back into the shadows.
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They havent been overnerfing at all recently. Fenix is still pretty ridic after four nerfs, Maiev is decent after five or so, Tracer took about four. We've got months of this to go yet.
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I, for one, love the Raynor meta Can you imagine if you told us a year ago Raynor would be slam pick first ban lmao
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No Wave posted:They havent been overnerfing at all recently. Fenix is still pretty ridic after four nerfs, Maiev is decent after five or so, Tracer took about four. We've got months of this to go yet. I hope it stays the case. Tracer might be the best analog here, as she hasn't been a new hero for a longtime. I worry abour Raynor because there isn't exactly much reason to keep him strong. I hope they find a sweet spot for him.
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Yeah, Blizz seems to be trying to err on the side of OP for the most part, probably so they see enough play that they actually get data. I think Azmo is more a failure of design than overcaution.
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Azmo is not undertuned I am fairly certain. He also seems incredibly popular even for a rework (for a well done rework no one cared about, see tyrael - for a poorly done rework that turned people off of the character, see hammer, even if her power level ended up absurdly high and she"s now played for that reason). If you don't like new Azmo that's totally fair, but I would not call it a failure.
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Hotslogs has had some dumb formula errors in the past, but right now it says Jimmy James is absent (not picked or banned) from 26.4% of HL games. That means if you're last pick, there's a 1/4 chance you can still give 'em some pepper. Bronze: 53.8% (??) Silver: 35.2% Gold: 19.2% Plat: 18.8%. Diamond: 24.4% Master: 30.1% I'm sure a decent number of those were on day 1 & 2 when people didn't know better, but drat those numbers are high.
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I feel like Azmo always hits way harder than I expect with his Q now. I guess more than the old hero stacking quest anyways. He's definitely a high skill cap hero though where you have both a hard to aim telegraphed skill shot and decisions to make about when and how to apply lane pressure. Also Arthas + Raynor is a good combo for murder. Possibly even better than Jaina. bamhand fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Jul 17, 2018 |
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Dear people in my last few games. If you see Azmodan dancing around 7 low health minions like a dog herding sheep. Leave them alone. This is not a cry for help. -Thanks
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Honestly I really hate that there are still some last-hitting quests like that. It's kinda frustrating on Thrall too.
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They don't have a "if the target dies within x time of being hit" on those quests? I legit don't know because I basically never play Thrall or Azmo.
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^^^ yeah there's a window. For Thrall it's slightly less than 2 AAs, so I usually wolf and AA after lightning. It helps you to unlearn bad habits of "always focus one minion at a time and clear as fast as possible" when there are plenty of times when you really should manage the wave strategically.
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See also: Murky's bribe stacks.
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BrianBoitano posted:^^^ yeah there's a window. For Thrall it's slightly less than 2 AAs, so I usually wolf and AA after lightning. I mean you can do both, just have Jaina drop an ice storm on them when they stop moving. Problem solved What do you mean they're dying before you're able to mark them?
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ToastyPotato posted:They don't have a "if the target dies within x time of being hit" on those quests? I legit don't know because I basically never play Thrall or Azmo. They do, but orb has a fairly long cooldown. It's normally 1.5 seconds but you can talent it into 3 with the quest that pays off with "And you can instant wipe any minion wave you want for the rest of the game." Corsair Pool Boy posted:I mean you can do both, just have Jaina drop an ice storm on them when they stop moving. Problem solved Asmodan gets 2 extra damage on his orb for every minion that dies within 1.5 seconds of them being hit by the orb. An entire minion wave being killed that way is worth 7 hero hits.
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Rag's hammer quest is also like that but once you get stronger it consistently one shots them so it's not too difficult
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No Wave posted:Azmo is not undertuned I am fairly certain. He also seems incredibly popular even for a rework (for a well done rework no one cared about, see tyrael - for a poorly done rework that turned people off of the character, see hammer, even if her power level ended up absurdly high and she"s now played for that reason). If you don't like new Azmo that's totally fair, but I would not call it a failure. Azmodan himself isn't undertuned, but his talents and his heroics are. The Math of the Storm article goes into pretty good detail about it, but the rundown is:
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The only "clear winner" in that article is his level 7. And I assure you his late game won't disappoint even with less powerful 20 options than most. I don't know what it means for a hero's talents to be undertuned, but not the hero themselves. This is just the consequence of a stacking quest as meaningful as his level 1. His design will end up looking different from most heroes because of it. Like you could cap his stacks at 200 and give him substantially stronger late game talents if you wanted. Idk this version seems funny. No Wave fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jul 17, 2018 |
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Azmo feels really good to play right now, at level 1. His dunk quest is built in, beam got a good functionality change, his demons are better meatshields and better waveclear. His talents, especially later, are incredibly mediocre and don't provide a clear build paths or talents with neat interactions. Echoing the thread, but goddamn his ults are bad. I don't think it would be quite as bad, but it's literally the same patch as Jimmy. He also gets away from the old method of "buffs for ability 1, 2 or 3" every tier, but he's got neat interactions between different tiers AND they're mathematically relevant.
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Last hit quests are good because it teaches good mechanics, and is a way to slow down quest completion time.
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No Wave posted:I don't know what it means for a hero's talents to be undertuned, but not the hero themselves. This is just the consequence of a stacking quest as meaningful as his level 1. His design will end up looking different from most heroes because of it. Azmo just caused some severe whiplash since he went from having super weak abilities and really strong talent stacking to the complete opposite. (And also changed role from siege specialist to mage.) Sindai fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jul 17, 2018 |
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Laser Azmodan is what I miss the most. I'm also not a fan of the change to General of Hell, because that gave him an incredibly macro game, but at least you can talent it back to the way it was.
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lucifirius posted:Last hit quests are good because it teaches good mechanics, and is a way to slow down quest completion time. The same could be said for last hitting minions for individual leveling, but that got tossed cause it's dumb, just like last hitting minion with a particular ability. If you need to slow down quest completion, simply adjust a single integer.
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BattleHamster posted:After bullying Blaze hard enough to force a rotation, I tried solo laning as Leoric versus Raynor in a recent Braxis game. to be fair Raynor kind of poo poo on Leoric even before the re-work. Edit: I just realized for everyone freaking out over Ace in the Hole, doesn't Fenix kinda get that for free Orange Crush Rush fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Jul 18, 2018 |
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Fenix needs a level 7 to get bonus dps on 2 or 4 hits of his Q, and level 10 on his Good Ult. Raynor does bonus damage on all damage starting at level 1.
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fool_of_sound posted:The same could be said for last hitting minions for individual leveling, but that got tossed cause it's dumb, just like last hitting minion with a particular ability. If you need to slow down quest completion, simply adjust a single integer. "Last hitting" in HotS has some advantages. It's triggered off of subsequent kills, not just kills with the ability/AA, so it's more forgiving and doesn't artificially change your skill usage as much. You mentioned individual leveling, which is a different deal altogether which otoh rewards good individual play but otoh means laning is more important than team fighting and that games have more feelbad moments of your one dude who was AFK or just dunked on while their one dude got hella fed.
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Blaze, Jaina, Raynor, Samuro, pick a healer. Nearly unbeatable comp imo.
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Kith posted:Azmodan's Level 20 choices may be the biggest wet fart of a Level 20 that Heroes has ever seen[/list] Stukov's level 20s are not great.
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EdRush posted:Stukov's level 20s are not great. I almost exclusively played Stukhov for ages, yet never felt like I was any good, purely because I didn't see the point of any of his level 20s. It's nice to hear I'm not insane.
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:at least you can talent it back to the way it was. Except for the fact it only has like half the uptime it used to. moush fucked around with this message at 09:02 on Jul 18, 2018 |
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I played Cassia a bit last night. She's really fun, way more than I expected. Her Q is brutal late game.
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Roblo posted:I played Cassia a bit last night. She's really fun, way more than I expected. Her Q is brutal late game. I'm starting to see a lot of her too; a couple months ago I was barely aware she existed
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She's been at the top of hots logs since she had her trait adjustment. Her health buff to compensate for the avoidance nerf was too big tbh, and it made her better against more comps (I approve of this). While her numbers are a little too high right now I like that she's a character you can pick more now vs before when you really had to see two auto attackers on the enemy team (you'd still like to, but it's less critical).
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:I'm starting to see a lot of her too; a couple months ago I was barely aware she existed She can win Raynor duels right now at 10 with blind/heal on blind/ball lighting, and gets armor when escaping him, so she's in a good place right now.
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Cassia owns and she is quickly becoming my favorite assassin. The post about her talents here a couple weeks ago was excellent. fake edit: Playing Cassia makes me want to replay Diablo II.
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ShortStack posted:Cassia owns and she is quickly becoming my favorite assassin. The post about her talents here a couple weeks ago was excellent. Do you have a link to that? I remember it but it was ages ago and I only just picked her up... I mostly just go Q build
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thechalkoutline posted:Do you have a link to that? I remember it but it was ages ago and I only just picked her up... I mostly just go Q build Yeah that's basically it. Her Q build is the one that's generally safest/best all around. Make sure you take pierce at 16 and you're good to go.
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