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StrixNebulosa posted:If this question is answered in ADB's Nightlords trilogy, tell me so I can go and actually finish it. (I bought Lords of the Night + Nightlords and read like a hundred pages from each before the great chaos of my ADHD decreed it was time to read something else.) This is one of the main plot hooks of the second book of ADB's trilogy and it shows one of the ways about how they replenish their ranks. The real answer, like in many other similar cases in GW's games, is that there are as many chaos marines as the plot requires. Angry Lobster fucked around with this message at 15:31 on May 29, 2019 |
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StrixNebulosa posted:I've read part of Lords of the Night and need to finish the whole thing so I do know I adore Spurrier's prose. I've put this short story and Deathwatch into my fledgling spreadsheet of "40k novels I should obtain", thanks! That question and the answer is somewhat central to the trilogy. Get to reading! It's one of the best BL has to offer.
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Angry Lobster posted:This is one of the main plot hooks of the second book of ADB's trilogy and it shows one of the ways about how they replenish their ranks. D-Pad posted:That question and the answer is somewhat central to the trilogy. Get to reading! It's one of the best BL has to offer. Perfect, thanks. I will attempt to return to Nightlords soon, but I gotta finish Horus Rising first. ... Speaking of I'm really glad Horus Rising is split into three mini-stories because that helps with his ending problem. The first story had a great arc and ending, and now I'm in spider hell and it's great. I like Abnett, mostly, but god he sucks at endings. e: I will be very happy to read authors who don't pull the incompetent commander every other book. Come on Abnett, give them actual foes to face. StrixNebulosa fucked around with this message at 20:55 on May 29, 2019 |
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May 29, 2019 17:40
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Opentarget posted:I mean, that was really my whole problem with Maledictions, save for a few stories. The Sigmar sewer one, the dark eldar and inquisitor acolyte, and the sisters of silence were really the only ones that seemed to make anything remotely spooky. Everything else just struck me as "yeah, that's grimdark as heck." The scene in the Wicked and the Damned where the dipshit priest decides to awaken the ecstatic Space Marine forever locked in a moment of divine revelation from his stasis field, so the priest can have a good whine at him about his relationship issues will never not be hilarious to me. The Space Marine turns out to be not quiiiiiite worshiping the correct God but we all live and learn, I guess.
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May 29, 2019 22:12
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Finished Horus Rising yesterday and really enjoyed it! Started Night Lords omnibus this morning and god but I love that first short story. It's so evocative and then genuinely funny. Paraphrased:quote:"Okay, we can take five of these guys. But we need a plan." And in a fit of financial irresponsibility, I just bought a stack of warhammer books as well, because why not. The haul: Ultramarines omnibus, Word Bearers omnibus, Titanicus, Helsreach, Enforcer omninbus. Yes I know the first two omnibuses aren't amazing but I'm seeing enough love for them elsewhere on the internet that I want to give 'em a go. Also I hear the third book in the Ultramarines omnibus is really, really good? Wanna read about stranded Ultramarines in the warp.
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May 30, 2019 14:56
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StrixNebulosa posted:Also I hear the third book in the Ultramarines omnibus is really, really good? Wanna read about stranded Ultramarines in the warp.  Please do, and report back.
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May 30, 2019 15:02
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One of the Ultramarines novels was pretty good. Warriors of Ultramar?
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May 30, 2019 15:31
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The Ultramarines story with the Daemon train was cool, the one with the pregnant slave planet or whatever not so much. They might even be from the same book.
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I hear a lot of bad things about Ultramarines being overdone, and that Graham McNeill is at best a decent writer, but then I hear wild things about that third Ultramarines novel and like, I enjoyed Storm of Iron. My biggest problem with Storm of Iron was the ending (because goddamnit, all of that effort and Chaos still wins?) and I haven't read any books featuring modern "good guy" space marines yet so why not.Arquinsiel posted:One of the Ultramarines novels was pretty good. Warriors of Ultramar? That's the second book in this omnibus! Sounds like it's gonna be better than I expected, excellent!
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May 30, 2019 15:59
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StrixNebulosa posted:Finished Horus Rising yesterday and really enjoyed it! Started Night Lords omnibus this morning and god but I love that first short story. It's so evocative and then genuinely funny. Paraphrased: What issues do people have with the Word Bearers omnibus? I enjoyed it more than the Enforcer omnibus, and it's on of the few times that the novels seemed to draw from Epic 40k for content in the first novel.
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Randalor posted:What issues do people have with the Word Bearers omnibus? I enjoyed it more than the Enforcer omnibus, and it's on of the few times that the novels seemed to draw from Epic 40k for content in the first novel. To grab a quote back from page 35, as I was idly flipping through the thread: Cat Planet posted:The Word Bearer trilogy is pretty bad and characterization in it is virtually nonexistent, unless you count "I DRINK SIX BOWLS OF TODDLER BLOOD EVERY BREAKFAST" as a character trait. It's bolter porn at its worst and thirteen-year-oldest. It has a few amusing side character arcs but it's no Storm of Iron it's clearly trying to be. From descriptions like that I assumed SA hated the omnibus, so my expectations for the books are appropriately mixed. That said, what's Epic 40k content? Are you referring to a game or something?
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StrixNebulosa posted:To grab a quote back from page 35, as I was idly flipping through the thread: Epic 40K was/is the term used for large-scale tabletop battles using stuff like Knights and Titans and was a separate game for a while. I assume that means the first book has a lot of giant, stompy robits in it.
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More specifically (assuming I'm thinking of the right books), the Adeptus Mechanicus use a heavy sonic tank that was only in Epic 40k prior, afaik. It's a relatively minor thing, but it was a nice change from "Here's a super heavy tank/titan".
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May 31, 2019 21:04
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Word Bearers omnibus isn't the worst thing, helps to portray some of their unholy edginess and how much stuck up assholes they are. It's somewhat entertaining bolter porn. I did enjoy the horrific nature of their conquest and how slowly they grinded a planet's populace into industrial hell though
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StrixNebulosa posted:I think this is the best place to ask, tell me if I'm wrong: what are the best youtube channels to watch/listen to for Warhammer 40k lore dumps? You know the type, two hour long videos about the history of the Imperium of Man or somesuch. Which ones are the best? What should I avoid? They aren't very long but I enjoy 40K Theories videos - Could The Emperor Be Remade Entirely Out Of Cyberdongs? 40K Lore For Newcomers - The Warhammer 40,000 Timeline: M41 Part 1 He does do a podcast tho I haven't listened to any of the episodes myself- Adeptus Podcastus - A Warhammer 40,000 Podcast - Episode 71 Ft. LeakyCheese
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/06/01/black-library-live-the-reveals gently caress ton of new book reveals and so many to be hyped about. New Siege of Terra looks amazing, Idoneth and Gotrek books and new Blessed audioplay etc. Super exciting!
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quote:One of the most requested stories from the 31st Millennium is the origin tale of Constantin Valdor, Captain-General of the Legio Custodes. Good news – it’s coming, with a glorious limited edition novel followed six months later by the standard edition. Valdor: Birth of the Imperium by Chris Wraight will detail this hero’s role in the formation of the Imperium, and no doubt reveal a few juicy hidden secrets about the Emperor and his plans… I can't get any harder... Guess this will be the first time I order a limited edition. No way I can wait an extra 6 months for the regular version. Chris Wraight is just killing it lately and him doing the origin of Constantin is just loving perfect.
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I'm working my way through the Buried Dagger, and here's a thought: Did they retcon Mortarion not defeating the Overlords of Barbarus without the help of the Emperor? Because I distinctly remember him having liberated Barbarus before Big E touched down from previous stories.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:I'm working my way through the Buried Dagger, and here's a thought: As far as I know that's never been the case. It always took Big E.
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D-Pad posted:As far as I know that's never been the case. It always took Big E. Yeah one of the reasons Mortation never really liked him was because had prevented him from defeating them on his own.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:I'm working my way through the Buried Dagger, and here's a thought: IIRC, it went something like this: The Emperor said "Hey, y'all are having some trouble against the Overlord", Mortarian said "No, we're fine, we have this", the Emperor said "Okay, then prove it. I bet you can't kill him by yourself, and if you fail you have to join the Imperium and serve me", Mortarion said "Fine." The Mortarion tried and failed. While he was lying on the floor dying he got to watch the Emperor walk up and casually one-shot the Overlord while basically saying "See you on my ship", which made Mortarion feel insulted and like the Emperor had trivialized his entire struggle. Basically, the Emperor is the worst dad.
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Just finished Night Lords 1. Do we have an emoticon that conveys the proper levels of joy? That was one hell of a badass book, an almost perfect blend of characters / action / ridiculous 40k world-building fluff. The plot was the only weak point and as it sets up the rest of the trilogy I forgive it, because migod, yes please, give me more of this writing. Also! My giant stack of Warhammer novels should arrive next week, and then I get to decide what I want to read next. I have a feast before me...
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So you think BL will screw up the special editions of the rest of the siege of Terra?
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StrixNebulosa posted:Just finished Night Lords 1. Do we have an emoticon that conveys the proper levels of joy? That was one hell of a badass book, an almost perfect blend of characters / action / ridiculous 40k world-building fluff. The plot was the only weak point and as it sets up the rest of the trilogy I forgive it, because migod, yes please, give me more of this writing. I honestly didn't think Night Lords got good until the second book. The first one was alright, but it's just as you say. It sets up the rest of the trilogy so well.
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The quality of those covers are amazing. Some interesting stuff coming out!
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Darius Hinks is doing the new Gotrek book huh? His Blackstone novel was pretty good IMO so I approve.
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"Warhammer Chronicles" is the marque for BL's Pre-AoS "Old World" stuff right?
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Schadenboner posted:"Warhammer Chronicles" is the marque for BL's Pre-AoS "Old World" stuff right? Yup.
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Oh poo poo Chris Wraight writing a Constantin Valdor origin story book thing? I'm already excited.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:I honestly didn't think Night Lords got good until the second book. The first one was alright, but it's just as you say. It sets up the rest of the trilogy so well. I gotta say I disagree. It's First Claw at it's most noble, most admirable. They are bastards, but you see the man behind the madness. Talos killing his mother because he doesn't recognize her in her desperation is one of the darkest and most brutal scenes in all Warhammer fiction, and not in a gory or spectacular way. Merely the inevitable result of the madness inherent to the setting hurting those who live there in a very human way. Octavia is a great viewpoint character, and the action scenes are fantastic - the titan attack, the assault while trying to wake up the Dreadnaught, the stalking of the prisoners who have kidnapped Octavia are all well written. I'm absolutely a stan for the Night Lords Trilogy but I think it's well deserved.
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VanSandman posted:I gotta say I disagree. It's First Claw at it's most noble, most admirable. They are bastards, but you see the man behind the madness. Talos killing his mother because he doesn't recognize her in her desperation is one of the darkest and most brutal scenes in all Warhammer fiction, and not in a gory or spectacular way. Merely the inevitable result of the madness inherent to the setting hurting those who live there in a very human way. Octavia is a great viewpoint character, and the action scenes are fantastic - the titan attack, the assault while trying to wake up the Dreadnaught, the stalking of the prisoners who have kidnapped Octavia are all well written. I'm absolutely a stan for the Night Lords Trilogy but I think it's well deserved. Talos didn't directly kill his mother, but otherwise - yeah. Yeah. The single darkest thing in that book, because it could have happened to literally any space marine, traitor/chaos marine or no. Becoming a space marine is a dehumanizing process and.. brr. I'm really enjoying the second book so far too, so like, hearing it gets even better is excellent.
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Quick question, 'cause I just got an amazon giftcard: do I want Yarrick: omnibus, or Deathwatch: omnibus? I've already thrown Ciaphas Cain omnibus 1 in the cart, and can afford one other omnibus with this before I get into spending too much money, again.
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The best part of Night Lords is that it presents the viewpoint of chaos marines as wanting to destroy the Imperium not out of devotion to a dark God, but rather out of a sense of disgust with what their creation became: beings ten thousand years old looking down at ants and stepping on them. There's also actual depth to the characters you don't really see in any other Chaos marine books: different members of the Night Lords disagree at their motivations/what they're doing: Talos is on some sort of warped crusade of judgement, Uzas is killing to kill, the captain is trying to keep his ship alive/gain power within the shattered elements of the Chaos fleets, etc. In that way its much more sophisticated than Word Bearers, which is just "KILL BECAUSE LORGAR" Seven Hundred Bee fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Jun 3, 2019 |
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You see a lot of that in the Black Legion series, but that's likely because it's ADB again.
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I wish someone would give the treatment to the Iron Warriors and not just Honsou's rape baby factory. I maintain that the 1d4chan interpretation of the Iron Warriors, and what little we get of them in the Heresy books, is better than what they're mainly known for. I prefer them as bitter, disregarded footsloggers who have reduced warfare down to a game of numbers and everybody has value but all are expendable. Not cruelty for cruelty's sake, but everything in the name of victory at all costs.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I wish someone would give the treatment to the Iron Warriors and not just Honsou's rape baby factory. Storm of Iron does this.
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The Night Lords monologue too much. If they didn’t have plot armor they’d be dead from a bullet to the back while they were running their mouth after every kill.
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Cessna posted:Storm of Iron does this. Its frustrating cause you go from that to the mess that's the rest of the Iron Warrior portrayal in the rest of the series Goddamn give me that clinical Iron Warrior sieging all day please I mean gently caress seeing as how 40k takes inspiration off history do a Dien Bien Phu like battle with the Iron Warriors whittling down the defenders through prolonged siege
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Nightlords 2: are they serious Is this book really just gonna feature Nightlord vs Nightlord conflict as they morons kill themselves because they can't hold a truce. Apparently the Imperium could just win its wars against Chaos by standing back and letting them take themselves out.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Nightlords 2: are they serious Isn't this literally how most of the first dozen Black Crusades worked out?
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