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I can agree that killing women and children with explosives is wrong. Controversial maybe but there I said it.
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We had this conversation, it's apparently way too political. Being against the indiscriminate slaughter of non-combatant women and children is too divisive of a political opinion.
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Jun 7, 2019 16:09
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When you're talking near half a million civilians killed in the cruelest possible way, either by fire or nuclear heat, in Japan alone, and for the flimsiest of grognard loving nerd excuses, it stops being a polticial statement and just becomes an obvious ethical observation I think.
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Jun 7, 2019 16:20
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People like to look at the world through the lens of US GOOD, THEM BAD and can't seem to believe that there's nobody blameless in a war. Yeah the Allies were absolutely 100% the good guys in WWII given who the Axis were but, well, it was a god damned war so some awful things were done along the way by every side. War is dirty business overall and WWII saw the use of some of the most destructive things that humanity has ever invented.
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Jun 7, 2019 16:22
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ToxicSlurpee posted:War is dirty business overall and WWII saw the use of some of the most destructive things that humanity has ever invented. Like the Holocaust. 
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Jun 7, 2019 16:28
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It doesn't help that the primary US education on the subject of Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki begins and ends with "It was necessary." Regardless of the politics or how you ethically feel, that's how the subject has been introduced to schoolchildren for nearly a century now.
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"TOO POLITICAL!!!" I shriek as the putrid remains of the skin mask finish falling off my empire and land with a *splorp!* upon the ground. "THOSE HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS HAD TERRORISTS IN THEM! THEY HAD TERROR CEMENT, USED FOR TERRORISM!!" *produces UN-donated empty flour sacks clearly labeled as such* Boy I sure love being completely politically-neutral! *murders the world's most photogenic medic as she tries to help a wounded child*
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mind the walrus posted:It doesn't help that the primary US education on the subject of Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki begins and ends with "It was necessary." Regardless of the politics or how you ethically feel, that's how the subject has been introduced to schoolchildren for nearly a century now. A necessary evil is still, by definition, an evil.
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Not disagreeing, just noting.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:People like to look at the world through the lens of US GOOD, THEM BAD and can't seem to believe that there's nobody blameless in a war. Yeah the Allies were absolutely 100% the good guys in WWII given who the Axis were but, well, it was a god damned war so some awful things were done along the way by every side. War is dirty business overall and WWII saw the use of some of the most destructive things that humanity has ever invented. and if we hadn't nuked them, the nuclear deterrent probably wouldn't be nearly as effective. It's only a real deterrent if you prove at least once that you're willing to use it. That's not to say it was "right", but it was certainly effective. yeah I eat ass has a new favorite as of 17:41 on Jun 7, 2019 |
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Jun 7, 2019 17:39
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yeah I eat rear end posted:and if we hadn't nuked them, the nuclear deterrent probably wouldn't have been nearly as effective. It's only a deterrent if you prove at least once that you're willing to use it. Then ask yourself why did we immediately see our Russian allies as the villains? Why did we have to prove we could nuke something?
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Jun 7, 2019 17:41
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Skratchez posted:Then ask yourself why did we immediately see our Russian allies as the villains? Why did we have to prove we could nuke something? r u serious
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Jun 7, 2019 17:48
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Skratchez posted:Then ask yourself why did we immediately see our Russian allies as the villains? Why did we have to prove we could nuke something? I feel like I can't answer the first one without stepping fully over the line this discussion is walking along. As for the second, if you have some technology that works in tests but has never been used in real world war scenarios, people might be inclined to test you in case you're bluffing/don't have the backbone for it. Maybe things would be as they are without using them during a war, but my opinion is if we hadn't, someone else would have done it first to us or, more likely, one of our weaker allies.
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Jun 7, 2019 17:50
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Skratchez posted:Then ask yourself why did we immediately see our Russian allies as the villains? Why did we have to prove we could nuke something? Are you asking why we didn't nuke the Russkies?
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Aramek posted:Are you asking why we didn't nuke the Russkies? No. We nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki as a lesson in capitalism. Much to their dismay.
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Jun 7, 2019 17:57
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We’re still working from the supply of Purple Hearts that were manufactured in preparation of an invasion, so the idea that such a scenario would have been even bloodier seems to have been a genuine belief on our part, rightly or wrongly.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:people might be inclined to test you in case you're bluffing/don't have the backbone for it.
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christmas boots posted:We’re still working from the supply of Purple Hearts that were manufactured in preparation of an invasion, so the idea that such a scenario would have been even bloodier seems to have been a genuine belief on our part, rightly or wrongly. I'm not being smug or calling yout "m8" but it was pure propaganda. They weren't going to meet us on the beaches with bamboo spears. They didn't want the God emperor hurt and he was about 1.5 days from total surrender.
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Jun 7, 2019 18:07
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Tubgoat posted:PHUO: Couching wanton sadism and needless cruelty in terms of biological fitness is pretty much the clearest sign that the speaker belongs all the way at the bottom of the ocean without life-support system(s). it's a figure of speech. It's not talking about your actual spinal condition. I clearly meant having the capacity to follow through on your threats - there's no moral judgement in the term. You could have "backbone" in the way the expression implies and still be a despicable person.
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PHUO: The idea that nuking Japan wasn't a political decision is obvious nonsense and while it's an important topic, it's not one that belongs in this thread.
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Jun 7, 2019 18:18
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Patrick Spens posted:PHUO: The idea that
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PHUO: Everything is political.
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christmas boots posted:We’re still working from the supply of Purple Hearts that were manufactured in preparation of an invasion, so the idea that such a scenario would have been even bloodier seems to have been a genuine belief on our part, rightly or wrongly. It's easy to armchair general and look at things through the 20/20 of hindsight. Maybe the war could have ended just as quickly if we hadn't double dipped on nuking Japan. Maybe the leadership was right and the only way to end the war quickly was to flatten two cities and demand surrender. The fact is, well, that was over 70 years ago. It's done. We can't change the past. Maybe the nukes were the best option. Maybe they weren't. Maybe we could have prevented the war by taking the emperor out for pancakes in 1938 and asking him how his day was. We just don't loving know for sure. None of us shitposting here had any hand in that decision and the war started before pretty much all of us were born. None of us have to take any blame for said decision because we weren't the ones that made it or put it into motion.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Maybe we could have prevented the war by taking the emperor out for pancakes in 1938 and asking him how his day was. But that's not profitable for merchants of death and misery. PHUO: Supporting bad things once you know they are bad absolutely entitles you to a voting share of the blame ("voting" in this case means "short-drop hanging").
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Jun 7, 2019 19:15
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It’s actually hitlers fault the bombs got dropped
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Jun 7, 2019 19:16
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oldpainless posted:It’s actually hitlers fault the bombs got dropped Ah, but did you consider that the Palestinians FORCED Hitler to do the Holocaust!?
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Jun 7, 2019 19:17
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Tubgoat posted:Ah, but did you consider that the Palestinians FORCED Hitler to do the Holocaust!? (Messily sifts through giant unorganized piles of papers on desk wide eyed and nodding)
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Jun 7, 2019 19:20
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oldpainless posted:(Messily sifts through giant unorganized piles of papers on desk wide eyed and nodding) Not sure how public knowledge this is, but it is literally Bibi Netanyahu's publicly-stated view.
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Tubgoat posted:Not sure how public knowledge this is, but it is literally Bibi Netanyahu's publicly-stated view. Yup. And not even in a “taking the worst possible interpretation of what he said” way, like he explicitly said that Hitler didn’t even want to kill the Jews before the Palestinians got involved.
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shut the gently caress up lol thats my opinion but for real: you're all morons and your opinions deserve to be here, thats what i feel. I also think that corn is the worst thing to have ever been invented and they're putting that corn poo poo in the pipes? the oil pipes, the water pipes, the sewage pipes, all of them? And you wonder why the earth is as hosed up as it is? It isn't because of gasoline, it isn't because of oil, it isn't because of elon musk, its all because of corn open your eyes you loving nimrods its always been corn and it will forever be corn and it is JEB BUSH who is at the front lines defending corn, putting it on our plates, putting it in our mouths, and we have to tell that motherfucker NO. it is time to STOP supporting the corn lobby, it is time to burn it down until all the corn is popped. spit on my clit has a new favorite as of 20:29 on Jun 7, 2019 |
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Sorry that it's a known fact that after WWII there were two super powers left standing. The nukes were a message from one to another.
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spit on my clit posted:shut the gently caress up lol thats my opinion without corn though how am I going to make chili
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and another thing: what do you REALLY think the a-bomb had in it? you think it had some explosive nuclear poo poo? no, it had pure, unfiltered corn oils in it. Corn oil can destroy homes, destroy the lands, destroy the world if you let that poo poo spread. And t hey did. they dropped it on nagasaki and hiroshima, those hitler-loving bastards might have deserved a lot of poo poo but they did not deserve the corn bombs. americans are at fault for letting the corn take the world over and you loving hacks have it in your EARS. get that poo poo out of your ears, and listen to the TRUTH, the truth that corn is loving evil and you are too if you support ityeah I eat rear end posted:without corn though how am I going to make chili YOU PUT CORN? IN THE CHILI? OH MY GOD YOU ARE HGOPELESS
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spit on my clit posted:YOU PUT CORN? IN THE CHILI? OH MY GOD YOU ARE HGOPELESS 
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I like to put baked beans in my chilli, I find it leads to the optimum taste and texture
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Tubgoat posted:I haven't tried this yet but it's worth a shot. you fool you loving louse you MORON you absolute trump l'over you're destroying your mind and your chances at not eating corn there's a million better things you can put in the chili, like chilis. corn? you'd put CORN in your chili? why would you do this to yourself? do you know what it does to your mind? it plants it's's seeds in to your brain and it takes root, destroying the parts of your brain that let you think and feel human emotion, all it makes you feel is a white, white person's seething hatred for every living thing. it turns you in to hank rutherford hill from TV's king of the hill. you wont even want to gently caress your wife if you have one. you'll yearn for the days when you were one of the Bills of the world, free to wallow in your misery instead of thinking everything around you is a-ok, you'll start going online looking for more loving corn recipes, gently caress, you'll be making CORNBREAD! YOU'LL MAKE BREAD, OUT OF CORN. ARE YOU LISTENING? YOU MUST STOP THIS BEFORE IT DESTROYS YOUR VERY SOUL
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spit on my clit posted:YOU PUT CORN? IN THE CHILI? OH MY GOD YOU ARE HGOPELESS How else would you make Chili Con Corne (Realtalk: in a recent wonderful medical development, corn in most forms now makes my roommate extremely ill, and it's amazing how many delicious things involve it.)
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docbeard posted:How else would you make Chili Con Corne your room mate is the one. we need to take his blood and put it in other people so that they'll become sick to the stomach when they come in to contact with corn its the only way to save the human race gently caress going to mars we need to go to the anti-corn fields. anti-vaxxers are correct for the wrong reason it isn't the "mercury" or the "dihydrogen monoxide" in vaccines that make them so deadly its ALL THE loving CORN they put in there. did you know that nine out of ten corn-infested people live in europe? why do you think those fuckers cant speak english for poo poo? it's not just because they're morons, its because their tongues are slowly becoming corn husks. they will have frito mouths by the end of 2019
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Tubgoat posted:I haven't tried this yet but it's worth a shot. I like it, it adds slightly more texture than the beans if you don't overcook the corn (add the frozen corns near the end). You can also do peas. Some would say peas and corn makes it a stew and not chili but tell them to stop being a food purist and eat the food, all that matters is that it's good and i'm going to call it what I feel like calling it.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:without corn though how am I going to make chili Corn is not properly digestible by the human gut. Yet We're doing golden rice and digestible corn is right around the corner. poo poo, corn was one of our first genetic experiments.
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