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You forgot the most important question: What is Oliver's plan to kill Farouk?
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Can I just say how much I loved watching him teleport around and change the gun to a mop. Anyone got a cool gif of that?
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May 17, 2018 01:45
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Major Sandman vibes this ep, with the whole "a memory of a dream" and David handling the bug delusion thingie And I loved that David claimed once he found out about them that they are simply manifestations of insanity: that is pretty much the best "plot evidence" in favor of the narration being completely straightforward with the audience (further compounded by the "so what we have learned?" part), which ties neatly to the monk/disease portion of the season as well. Which kinda brings me to a point: was this whole song and dance with the monster thing to show out a sort of motif, a raison d'etre, of this season's plot? Like, we must be very careful to how we see the world and justify things to ourselves, otherwise we risk delusions and these can be very dangerous not only to us, but also to the ones we care about? This goes well with how David was too quick to regard future Syd's word as truth, or that he could trust the Shadow King, or that the monk was a vector of the disease but everybody was too fixated about Farouk to give a drat. If so, it is a masterstroke because I was worried all the time that the plot was going to be this cripplingly complicated massive maniacal piece of work while the series was the entire loving time telling me completely straight that in thinking like that, I was behaving exactly as the test subjects of the narration sequences by fitting it to patterns that matched my worldview and expectations of the plot while not paying attention at all to the actual things going on and holy gently caress I realized that this is true while I was typing this and this motherfucking show is a goddamn work of art
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May 17, 2018 03:46
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dead comedy forums posted:holy gently caress I realized that this is true while I was typing this and this motherfucking show is a goddamn work of art It would be beautiful if we were all looking for complicated patterns and the plot is just exactly what's been set out. no twists, no buts. edit: I think Oliver's plan to kill Farouk is simply to watch him take on David. Farouk might be smarter and more willing to hurt people but we now know that David can not just bend reality but move around the multi-verse. Pride before the fall and all... pop and mop gifs: https://imgur.com/a/kwPIRXP 
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May 17, 2018 13:39
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Gobbeldygook posted:
I think that was adequately answered in the multiverse episode--or at least, demonstrated how it could come about.
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May 17, 2018 13:47
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Where the hell was D3 security during all of this? Don't they have soldiers patrolling the compound?
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May 17, 2018 14:36
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SimonChris posted:Where the hell was D3 security during all of this? Don't they have soldiers patrolling the compound? They're all dusted.
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May 17, 2018 15:05
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SimonChris posted:Where the hell was D3 security during all of this? Don't they have soldiers patrolling the compound? swickles posted:They're all dusted. there were lots and lots of eggshells, probably took care of that
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May 17, 2018 16:52
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Wait who caused the insanity things to actually manifest in reality? I'm not really getting the whole 'no really those black slime birds are actually physical things lol ok time to move on with the plot bye' stuff going on. I was along for the ride while all the weirdness had a source: The monk, Farouk or David. But apparently it doesn't matter where the birds came from? What? Does no one care that a giant oil bird manifested in reality? No one? Help? I feel like i've just watched something supposed to be symbolic only it was literal. And I don't know how to handle it.
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May 17, 2018 19:41
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Up until the moment they revealed Fukuyama's face I reckoned he was using the Shadow King's body and the delusions were put there by evil-David to prevent the SK from reclaiming his body and stopping him. I still think Fukuyama could be the SK's body, just post-bodygun change. Hell, I'm still not certain all this isn't happening in David's head and literally every non-David character isn't just a manifestation of his fractured psyche.
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May 17, 2018 19:55
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n3wt posted:
You have to remember that Oliver remembered his wife just before making the threat. His riddle was: What is one plus one? I really wanted to link to Robert Miles but hey its the delusion thread. No need for 90's cheese.
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May 17, 2018 20:11
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Serf posted:Hell, I'm still not certain all this isn't happening in David's head and literally every non-David character isn't just a manifestation of his fractured psyche. While manifestations are a thing for the character, they wouldn't put two seasons of emotional weight behind characters that aren't there. I don't think they're antagonistic to the viewers like that (compared to lost, for example). I'm still figuring out how the shadow king figured out to astro-project into the future. I though Syd brought David into future while being in kiddy pool Cerebro.
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May 17, 2018 21:28
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incoherent posted:I'm still figuring out how the shadow king figured out to astro-project into the future. I though Syd brought David into future while being in kiddy pool Cerebro. My take was that he hotboxed a car with that freaky blue smoke drug in order to enhance his powers/break reality.
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May 17, 2018 22:41
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Speaking of Oliver's riddle, I don't recall seeing discussion here about what it meant. Anyone with theories? Probably something to do with combining body and mind? Farouk seemed to "get it", with his little chuckle.
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May 18, 2018 02:01
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incoherent posted:While manifestations are a thing for the character, they wouldn't put two seasons of emotional weight behind characters that aren't there. I don't think they're antagonistic to the viewers like that (compared to lost, for example). I think one of the core themes of the show is that it doesn't matter whether something is happening in the "real" world or just on the mental plane, it still matters.
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May 18, 2018 03:20
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Laterite posted:Speaking of Oliver's riddle, I don't recall seeing discussion here about what it meant. Anyone with theories? Probably something to do with combining body and mind? Farouk seemed to "get it", with his little chuckle. I don't think Farouk understood it. Some hypotheses: 1) Hubris: what is 1+1 is rather obvious. In this sense, Oliver means that is a pretty much natural conclusion that Farouk is going to get himself owned hard because he fundamentally doesn't get it how powerful David even after all those years in his head. Farouk went all last ditch effort to lock him down in a corner of his mind as a last resort in season one, only for David to spontaneously manifest a splinter personality that got their poo poo together pretty quick. 2) David is Legion: 1+1 is not equal 2 if David has, well, multiple personalities. Farouk ultimately can't have his powers without David being the "core" aspect keeping it together, because as per season one if he tries to destroy David's mind another personality simply comes up more than capable of loving up the shadow king. 3) The whole is more than the sum of its parts: just because you get David's body doesn't mean you are getting his powers, or that the Shadow King getting his own back means he can be all-powerful. Indeed, Xavier kicked his rear end when he had a body, so what stops David from doing so again only this time much harder?
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May 18, 2018 03:38
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Yeah, I didn't get the impression Farouk "got it." I think his chuckle was just him reacting to what he perceived as an idle threat
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May 18, 2018 04:51
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Laterite posted:Speaking of Oliver's riddle, I don't recall seeing discussion here about what it meant. Anyone with theories? Probably something to do with combining body and mind? Farouk seemed to "get it", with his little chuckle. Nah, he was humoring Oliver. He's not going to bother playing guessing games with his chauffeur. My guess is that Oliver's going to kill himself after Farouk's body is destroyed to put an end to him once and for all. Also, I assume everyone else saw the "Future Syd drifting away into Present Syd" effect with the circles? Maybe they fixed the future by discovering the insanity goo 
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May 18, 2018 05:03
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dead comedy forums posted:I don't think Farouk understood it. Some hypotheses: None of these work imo, because they're all based around David killing Farouk. Oliver's threat was that he would kill Farouk. I really like Chokes McGee's guess, it works with the riddle too: Oliver is one, Farouk is one, but together they don't make two. They're still just one, which Oliver can kill.
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May 18, 2018 05:10
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Wafflecopper posted:None of these work imo, because they're all based around David killing Farouk. Oliver's threat was that he would kill Farouk. I really like Chokes McGee's guess, it works with the riddle too: Oliver is one, Farouk is one, but together they don't make two. They're still just one, which Oliver can kill. aaah, good catch - I didn't think he meant himself literally, though, but it is a valid counterpoint anyway.
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May 18, 2018 06:09
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Wafflecopper posted:None of these work imo, because they're all based around David killing Farouk. Oliver's threat was that he would kill Farouk. I really like Chokes McGee's guess, it works with the riddle too: Oliver is one, Farouk is one, but together they don't make two. They're still just one, which Oliver can kill. Precisely. [Sixth Doctor smugface]
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May 18, 2018 06:39
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I actually expected the Admiral to turn out to be Farouks body. Though David being the one to destroy the world seems a little too cliche for this show. It feels weird.
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May 18, 2018 07:00
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twistedmentat posted:I actually expected the Admiral to turn out to be Farouks body. Regarde Aduck posted:Wait who caused the insanity things to actually manifest in reality? edit: The slime trail could have been leading from David's room which would jive with it being the product of his unconscious mind. Also the slime birds ultimately wanted to kill the Admiral who was antagonizing David earlier in ep 2.  Personally, the weirdest fuckin' thing is the cow in episode 3. After they rescue Ptonomy from his garden they find a cow just chilling in the hallway, then after they rescue Melanie the cow is in the lab. Who is teleporting a cow around Division 3? It's not something David is consciously doing, it's not the style of Farouk or the monk, so either David did it unconsciously (in both cases it was moved while David was in someone else's mind) or some unknown entity was engaging in random ninja monkey cheese. Gobbeldygook fucked around with this message at 08:53 on May 18, 2018 |
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May 18, 2018 07:49
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I haven’t read the comics where they appear but is it possible the delusion creatures are this show’s take on The Brood?
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May 18, 2018 12:37
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I still want to know about the pointing fists.
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May 18, 2018 13:33
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Gobbeldygook posted:Personally, the weirdest fuckin' thing is the cow in episode 3. After they rescue Ptonomy from his garden they find a cow just chilling in the hallway, then after they rescue Melanie the cow is in the lab. Who is teleporting a cow around Division 3? It's not something David is consciously doing, it's not the style of Farouk or the monk, so either David did it unconsciously (in both cases it was moved while David was in someone else's mind) or some unknown entity was engaging in random ninja monkey cheese. Turns out Oliver is a raw milk enthusiast.
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May 18, 2018 15:10
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i hope we find out where the sludge monsters came from and its not just dropped or whatever
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May 18, 2018 15:18
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GreenNight posted:I still want to know about the pointing fists. The green pointy hands and the cow feel now just like random for the sake of it.
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May 18, 2018 15:34
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Did we ever find out about the grassy guy and his whole deal from S1?
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May 18, 2018 16:42
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Nevvy Z posted:Did we ever find out about the grassy guy and his whole deal from S1? He was in a mental institution, his 'deal' was sorta implied
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May 18, 2018 17:18
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I am so, so glad that Fukuyama wasn't secretly evil or another character in disguise and is just a weird dude. Also my interpretation of the giant slimebird monster was that whatever those things are are the real world-ending threat that Syd has been saying they need Farouk for, and that they've been straight up showing them to us all season and we just thought they were visual metaphors. Especially if David really is the one who winds up destroying the world, an evil insanity parasite seems like exactly the thing that would turn the world's most powerful psychic from a force of good to a one-man apocalypse.
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May 18, 2018 17:56
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I think Farouk created the delusion monsters as a fail safe. So if David does defeat him, the delusion festers and grows until a point in the future Syd (and ostensibly Kerry) are convinced they need the Shadow King alive to fight off David.
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May 18, 2018 18:03
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swickles posted:I think Farouk created the delusion monsters as a fail safe. So if David does defeat him, the delusion festers and grows until a point in the future Syd (and ostensibly Kerry) are convinced they need the Shadow King alive to fight off David. I love this show. 
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May 18, 2018 18:37
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The show nocebo'd us into making the delusion monsters real.
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May 18, 2018 18:39
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Taear posted:The green pointy hands and the cow feel now just like random for the sake of it. I'm planting my flag on Butterfly Theory: Is he a butterfly dreaming he's a man or is he a man dreaming he's a butterfly? Something - maybe David, maybe a future David, maybe a different entity, but not Farouk - is also using his powers. The show has explicitly shown us David hearing voices in his head. Like in episode 2 when he's talking with Cary: CARY: You want something? DAVID: I need more help finding Farouk. DAVID in his head from the left channel: Liar. DAVID LOOKS TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN and a David voice in his head says from the right channel: SHUT UP SHUT UP David: Some modifications to the tank CARY: Do I look like the fix-it guy? Or any guy? I'm the X-chromosome rear end kicker. Or maybe you missed the part where there was an arm sticking out of my stomach. DAVID from left channel: TELL HER the truth DAVID: Unless DAVID from right channel: You need to talk to Syd, Future Syd! DAVID from left channel: Is that - did you just give her a nickname? DAVID from right channel: She's looking at us! Say something! The show has straight-up let us repeatedly hear voices in David's head give him advice and tell him to do things this season - David who has a history of having problems with voices in his head using his powers - and have arguments. So I'm calling it: The black insanity birds, the cow, possibly the green hands, they're all the doing of the Head David's who can only use David's powers (which are genetic/physical) when his primary mind is elsewhere or maybe just asleep. When Farouk finally gets a chance to take over David's body he's going to find himself fighting a Legion of Head David's. Gobbeldygook fucked around with this message at 18:52 on May 18, 2018 |
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May 18, 2018 18:49
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Taear posted:The green pointy hands and the cow feel now just like random for the sake of it. The cow is actually a white horse. You're just watching it wrong.
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May 18, 2018 22:41
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Yeah, you really need to pay attention to the narration. It absolutely impacts what we see and how we should be interpreting it.
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May 18, 2018 22:49
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Gobbeldygook posted:IMO the cow is different. The show stopped and all of the characters commented on the cow twice, highlighting it's weirdness. The hands were (probably) just background aesthetics. The Legion of Head Davids is my new metal band and I'll thank you not to doxx it
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May 19, 2018 05:17
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Pussy Quipped posted:The show nocebo'd us into making the delusion monsters real. read, vomited, voted 5
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May 19, 2018 05:19
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I appreciate all the thought you guys are putting in to making some sort of sense of this show, because thee is no way I could come up with any of that. One of the biggest highlights for me so far has been the comic book covers they made for the moral panic intro sequence. Really nice touch with the yellow eyed monster. I just watch this show to take it all in as a work of art, and have faith that by the end of the season, it might make some kind of sense.
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