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So long, Chinese Crypto! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkBMAHUkibY
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Something we can all celebrate: https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1441342042127278081?s=19 EDIT: Beaten like a Uyghur in a Chinese re-education camp.
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Sep 24, 2021 13:37
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We must not be outdone by China we must double ban crypto. Megillah Gorilla posted:EDIT: Beaten like a Uyghur in a Chinese re-education camp. Jesus dude. This is a loving awful joke.
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Sep 24, 2021 14:00
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Megillah Gorilla posted:EDIT: Beaten like a Uyghur in a Chinese re-education camp. what is wrong with you
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Sep 24, 2021 14:25
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steinrokkan posted:Honestly ban them all and let god sort them out. Have you never played Minecraft? You can learn how logic gates and electronic circuitry works in Minecraft using redstone; then there's learning programming with various mods; which also doesn't get into how crafting and building structures cooperatively instills real world value systems society finds valuable in ways many games don't. There are of course studies that video games in general instill a sense of agency into children and makes them more likely to succeed at life by internalizing even unconsciously experiences from the screen into real life. Dying and being able to come back to try again makes children more resilient, and more willing to stand up and try again in the face of challenges and stumbling blocks. Which is probably why Dark Souls isn't on the shitlist but games with actual predatory monetization schemes are. Zachack posted:Then why limit it to online games? Why limit it to games at all, why not expand it to any "projected light visual entertainment", I suspect kids in China like to watch the same sort of useless garbage most people in any country enjoy for hours on end. That will also help prevent kids from being exposed to images of feminine men, no doubt leading to a country full of hunky boys, leaving China possibly free from Psycho Goreman's wrath. I'm not sure how this is a good argument, why are you arguing China should be harsher? This is like arguing that "why ban guns and not sticks?" but ultimately there's obvious a difference between various kinds of games and other games; and a vast different between games and other mediums; and most importantly most mediums don't incentivize you to spend thousands of dollars on shiny jpgs.
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Sep 24, 2021 14:44
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Cpt_Obvious posted:There are more parties in the Chinese government than there are in the American one. There's more parties in the DPRK. In either case, they're one-party autocratic states without any meaningful democratic process, and arguing in any way otherwise because of the number of parties involved in the show-process is splendidly absurd.
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Sep 24, 2021 14:56
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Zachack posted:How does Dark Souls or Fortnite fit that definition? Dark Souls is banned in China for religious content, would be 18+ even if it wasn’t, and is perfectly playable offline. Probably one of the worst examples you could’ve picked lol
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Sep 24, 2021 15:08
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Sedisp posted:Jesus dude. This is a loving awful joke. It was a deliberate dig at the usual suspects who constantly deny anything bad's happening in China, but I accept it was in poor taste.
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Sep 24, 2021 15:11
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Megillah Gorilla posted:It was a deliberate dig at the usual suspects who constantly deny anything bad's happening in China, but I accept it was in poor taste. you think making a cheap shot at uyghur expense is sticking it to the tankies or something?
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Sep 24, 2021 15:27
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fart simpson posted:you think making a cheap shot at uyghur expense is sticking it to the tankies or something? I've been on this site for 20 years, saying my sense of humour is hosed up is an understatement. I definitely understand someone being upset by such a joke though, it shows you still have humanity left.
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Sep 24, 2021 16:18
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Something we can all celebrate: I am not into crypto at all, but I am a little reluctant to celebrate this yet. A lot of these brute capital controls end up having weird unintended consequences that hurt ordinary people or incentivize them to do even riskier poo poo. They also often have no effect on the elite, who probably have a second passport and overseas accounts anyway. We've talked about it recently in this thread, but savings and investment options in China are dogshit because of the strict capital controls, which in recent years have been getting stricter. I don't know much about crypto usage in China, but it would surprise me if a lot of the demand wasn't coming from people wanting to put money into something besides an empty investment property in some T5 city or some sketchy newly listed company.
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In "They totally weren't just hostages" news: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/spavor-kovrig-return-1.6189516 Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Sep 25, 2021 |
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Sep 25, 2021 03:13
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Smeef posted:I am not into crypto at all, but I am a little reluctant to celebrate this yet. A lot of these brute capital controls end up having weird unintended consequences that hurt ordinary people or incentivize them to do even riskier poo poo. They also often have no effect on the elite, who probably have a second passport and overseas accounts anyway. We've talked about it recently in this thread, but savings and investment options in China are dogshit because of the strict capital controls, which in recent years have been getting stricter. I don't know much about crypto usage in China, but it would surprise me if a lot of the demand wasn't coming from people wanting to put money into something besides an empty investment property in some T5 city or some sketchy newly listed company. The overwhelming percentage of bitcoins being held by mainland Chinese were either investment firms jumping on the craze or corrupt industry owners who funneled bitcoins into their personal accounts while using government subsidized power. Not sure how many "little people" are being hurt by this.
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Sep 25, 2021 09:00
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It looks like Xi is expanding his war on popular culture.China urges cartoon producers to resist 'unhealthy' content posted:SHANGHAI, Sept 25 (Reuters) - China's broadcasting regulator said it will encourage online producers to create "healthy" cartoons and clamp down violent, vulgar or pornographic content, as Beijing steps up efforts to bring its thriving entertainment industry to heel. The actual statement (via Google translate) expands a bit further, but I couldn't find any more info about how this will be enforced or what it will actually affect. 
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Sep 25, 2021 13:26
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XMNN posted:It looks like Xi is expanding his war on popular culture. its really weird how these articles keep referencing the actions taken against online idols and celebrities when they were literally just prosecuting sexual offenders
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Sep 25, 2021 14:32
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XMNN posted:It looks like Xi is expanding his war on popular culture. Huh. Strange they are following the fascist playbook in this Han nationalist ethnostate.
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Sep 25, 2021 18:04
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therobit posted:Huh. Strange they are following the fascist playbook in this Han nationalist ethnostate. I mean, they're following the authoritarian dictatorship playbook, ain't nothing uniquely fash about media censorship.
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Sep 25, 2021 21:10
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Daduzi posted:I mean, they're following the authoritarian dictatorship playbook, ain't nothing uniquely fash about media censorship. It's about the presentation/rationale, specifically about how they claim that games, tv shows, etc are undermining their youth and values. From Umberto Eco: quote:"The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system. quote:"Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
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Sep 25, 2021 21:27
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Megillah Gorilla posted:And the people who use those tools are called managers. You can call them whatever you want, but they're still not. Many other have been wrong when explaining - at length - that most managers and even executives are just workers with a meaningless title and heavier workload who get constantly crapped on by the real enemy of the working class: the capitalists. You (I assume you're a manager) are not workers, you're middle management for capital, on capital's side, doing the work of capital for them. Not in the way workers do work so capital may profit, but literally managing capital's assets day-to-day. You produce nothing of value and your work can be done otherwise. You are correct that managers are specialists, they're just not specialists for anything that requires a specialist and your ridiculous phrasing made it sound as if ALL specialists were disappearing. "My technocratic ideology of "Jack of all trades and master of none" is not feasible in the incredibly complex systems of the modern world?" This statement makes no sense. Try again and maybe format your poo poo properly while you're at it.
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Sep 25, 2021 21:32
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Raenir Salazar posted:It's about the presentation/rationale, specifically about how they claim that games, tv shows, etc are undermining their youth and values. Right, no, I'm familiar with Ur Fascism, that point is there was nothing in the quoted snippet that fits Eco's definition except in the loosest possible terms.
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"I'm just one of you, guys! I hate the Man as much as anybody." says the manager as he thinks about who to fire to please the capitalist. If managers work hard, they work hard to suppress the workers and to suck up to the bosses. Their work isn't a sign of being part of the working class any more than a capitalist neurotically trying to maximize profits is a "worker", since he, the manager, is merely an extension of the same phenomenon, a measure of capitalism's dictatorial control over the population delegated onto another, servile party. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Sep 25, 2021 |
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Sep 25, 2021 21:35
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E: this was a stupid derail anyway
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The destruction of popular culture in favor of traditionalist machismo culture is definitely fascistic.
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steinrokkan posted:"I'm just one of you, guys! I hate the Man as much as anybody." says the manager as he thinks about who to fire to please the capitalist. Most managers in the white collar workforce don’t have the ability to hire or fire people I don’t understand why this is a concept that is so hard to grasp. But sure let’s continue to divide and conquer among the working class while the capitalist class laughs. It’s worked so well for the leftist cause so far.
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Sep 25, 2021 23:41
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Most managers in the white collar workforce don’t have the ability to hire or fire people I don’t understand why this is a concept that is so hard to grasp. That’s basically the entire definition of a manager in this context. Unless you mean “most people with manager in their title don’t have the ability to hire or fire people” which is obvious and completely irrelevant. This is becoming an incredibly circular argument. Also the question of who can be excluded from a union because they belong to management is usually determined by a labour relations board afaik, so luckily you don’t have to worry about someone “dividing the leftist cause” if you are ever involved in unionization. Edit 2: One more thing - In many public sector white collar unions, middle managers are excluded from union membership but still piggy back off benefits negotiated by the union. That addresses the concern of managers being victims of capitalism without letting the fox into the henhouse. In the original context of 996, it means that managers should not be working longer hours if the union is effective. Starks fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Sep 26, 2021 |
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Sep 25, 2021 23:57
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Again, this dumb rear end derail started because an idiot couldn’t grasp that there are people with “manager” in their title were not all managers, and said they didn’t deserve labor protections because they were class traitors due to being management. That was the whole argument.
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A big flaming stink posted:its really weird how these articles keep referencing the actions taken against online idols and celebrities when they were literally just prosecuting sexual offenders Are you claiming that this is all in response to Kris Wu? The campaign against the entertainment industry is way broader than that case (and predates it) and even includes homophobic language in official announcements.
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Sep 26, 2021 03:03
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gently caress having this stupid argument again with people who can't understand the simplest of concepts. Just gonna quote this because this is all that needs to be said: therobit posted:Again, this dumb rear end derail started because an idiot couldn’t grasp that there are people with “manager” in their title were not all managers, and said they didn’t deserve labor protections because they were class traitors due to being management. That was the whole argument.
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therobit posted:The destruction of popular culture in favor of traditionalist machismo culture is definitely fascistic. Ok, but: a) the thing you quoted had nothing about machismo in it b) it's hardly exclusive to fascism. Social realist art is full of the same traditional masculine poo poo. I'd say if you wanted to draw a historical parallel of destroying popular culture in order to cater to the idiosyncratic whims of those in charge, maybe there's a more apt event in relatively recent Chinese history one could point to. It even has the word "culture" in the name.
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Sep 26, 2021 06:33
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Daduzi posted:Ok, but: Read the last few pages of the thread dude. This is following in a straight line from their other policies banning effeminate male entertainers.
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Sep 26, 2021 07:02
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I guess it's not exactly new for China to establish strict censorship or restrictions on the media within its borders, although it's a bigger task now that China has a much bigger and more international economy and more forms of media. I wonder how the newer policies compare to the older policies, but I guess it'll be hard to say until after implementation since it's a bit vague. I think fascism is generally more about the values you do push rather than what you forcibly censor, but definitely it's for the worse to crack down harder and harder on media to attempt to squish ideas you don't like. It'll worsen the industry overall, and it won't work to eliminate the ideas.
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Sep 26, 2021 07:21
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SlothfulCobra posted:I guess it's not exactly new for China to establish strict censorship or restrictions on the media within its borders, although it's a bigger task now that China has a much bigger and more international economy and more forms of media. I wonder how the newer policies compare to the older policies, but I guess it'll be hard to say until after implementation since it's a bit vague. The further they crack down, the further it scrunches up into metal scrap isolated from the world. Media companies looking to make Chinese inroads are going to lose poo poo-loads of money before the decade is out.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I guess it's not exactly new for China to establish strict censorship or restrictions on the media within its borders, although it's a bigger task now that China has a much bigger and more international economy and more forms of media. I wonder how the newer policies compare to the older policies, but I guess it'll be hard to say until after implementation since it's a bit vague. Yeah this doesn't feel like China embracing fascism, it feels like the continued ebb and flow of cultural controls it's been going through for decades. There was a view that China was opening up and changing its ways and this would seem like a big shift from that perspective, but to me this just feels like media coming back under conservative focus after getting a bit of a run under more liberal oversight.
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There's plenty of precedent for socialism(s) across the twentieth century to wage moral betterment campaigns amongst the public. 1920s New Soviet Man/Woman campaigns are an endless font of hilarity  (Boym's Common Places: Mythologies of Everyday Life in Russia, pp35-36. This was before the Great Purge and its breathless sycophancy set in. Komsomol Truth was the official paper of the CPSU's youth movement) Prohibitionisms on jazz, coffee, cigarettes, alcohol, being fat, being dirty, being unwashed, etc. Every prejudice of a turn-of-the-century progressive intellectual readily recast as actually anti-bourgeois and anti-elitist revolutionary self-improvement - good for you, and good for Socialism! and then there's the postwar 50s-70s reaction against the new decadently bourgeois exports of counterculture, rock music, jeans, etc. or likewise the pointless consumerisms of washing machines, new cars, etc. Contemporary CCP agonizings about the moral decay of easy household debt would hardly look out of place in an old Bevanite Labour pamphlet out of the 1950s (I feel that there's a tendency of modern Very Online left-wing discourse to whitewash past leftisms into formulations that our left-wing politics a century later would approve of - cherrypicking irrelevant tendencies or intelligentsia experiments as predecessors of an teleological triumph of the New Left, and then the New New Left of today, in a line of unbroken intellectual descent. Which is really too bad, and we can see why in this thread - folks struggle to locate what is (in historic comparison) a relatively light-touch campaign on a new medium of mass-media cultural content - as Phigs says, merely one of an ebb and flow that has gone on for decades; not merely in post-revolutionary China but in every socialist discourse. Contemporary Western socialist discourse is inveterately neoliberalized and inherits its priorities on cultural engineering but that is hardly a universal.)
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ronya posted:1920s New Soviet Man/Woman campaigns are an endless font of hilarity
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Guavanaut posted:And yet very prescient on the matter of funko pops. 
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Phigs posted:There was a view that China was opening up and changing its ways And all that sadly ended with Xi. That piece of poo poo cannot suffer enough for his crimes. ronya posted:There's plenty of precedent for socialism(s) across the twentieth century to wage moral betterment campaigns amongst the public. 1920s New Soviet Man/Woman campaigns are an endless font of hilarity Thank you for this post. Absolute Grade A stuff, very informative.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:And all that sadly ended with Xi. And sadly he won't.
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It'd certainly be something if China's new media crackdowns led to the US restarting its pop culture grants for specifically the types of media that China wants to stamp out, like how during the Cold War and Soviets were trying to tamp down on abstract art in favor of realism, the US government sponsored some more abstract stuff.
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