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America doesn't care about rehabilitation, only punishment.Rhyno posted:Has anything of the Gadot stuff been validated yet? I saw there was a verified Twitter user (writer for some site) saying they know who the poster was and she had told them the story before. No clue how I'd find who it was now though.
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Can someone summarize what the Gadot issue is? Maybe I missed it in the thread
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Aphrodite posted:America doesn't care about rehabilitation, only punishment. I just hadn't seen any updates in the CD thread which has been pretty on top of that stuff.
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Nothing in that story sounds outlandish enough to be immediately dismissed as false.
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Dec 4, 2017 17:01
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You can believe the victim and still forgive a human being for doing something dumb and lovely when they were a teenager over a decade ago, fortunately
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Could have sworn what I saw was a checkmarked blogger or something, but I guess I got some wires crossed. A musician who isn't verified, but is pretty upfront about who she is. https://twitter.com/ShayLeonia/status/930660457475690498 Dacap posted:Can someone summarize what the Gadot issue is? Maybe I missed it in the thread It's all up here: http://www.imasurvivor.xyz/ Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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^^Or that worksDacap posted:Can someone summarize what the Gadot issue is? Maybe I missed it in the thread Summarizing the allegation poorly from memory. Gadot and her friends would go on dates with well to do men that Gadot knew, they had a no sex rule. One time the guy slipped the friend a date rape drug and raped the friend. Gadot didn't believe the friend thought the girl broke the no sex rule and thought the girl was trying to ruin this man who she trusted more than the friend. Dexo fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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Dec 4, 2017 17:06
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Yikes, that’s a pretty bad story if true.
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Yeah it's extremely lovely. But they were also like 18 and 19 year olds.
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Dec 4, 2017 17:29
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Yeah, I mean, they were adults at the time.
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I’m not defending Gadot, but the concept of goons taking issue with teenagers saying horrible things is kind of funny.
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Dec 4, 2017 17:33
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Well with someone saying they actually have spoken to and know the victim that actually gives the story a lot of validity.
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Dexo posted:Summarizing the allegation poorly from memory. Here I thought the Gal Gadot thing was accusations that her IDF unit participated in some worse than normal poo poo. Like knowingly shelling civilians/hospitals type stuff.
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Gadot was just a combat trainer, iirc. She never saw combat.
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iirc the idf thing is that she was posting support for the idf during their 2014 incursion into gaza for the biannual show of force and killing of innocent Palestinians
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Dan Didio posted:I believe the victim. I don't much care if you don't. It can't be outrageous on the internet and all to want to hang out for a source to be backed up. Apparently it has been. Question answered. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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I have literally seen 1 blog post that was quickly deleted accusing Gadot of something, and never heard it mentioned again. I think it's okay to withhold any judgment until.....anything at all is proven. Like, I can't just say something really poo poo, post it on the internet and ruin someone's life or repuoh my god that's exactly what the internet is for.
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enigmahfc posted:I have literally seen 1 blog post that was quickly deleted accusing Gadot of something, and never heard it mentioned again. I think it's okay to withhold any judgment until.....anything at all is proven. Like, I can't just say something really poo poo, post it on the internet and ruin someone's life or repuoh my god that's exactly what the internet is for. There was a good thread on this a while back which I have unfortunately lost but the gist of it was basically looking for 'proof' in assault and related cases is difficult enough when the incident is fresh, and trends closer towards 'impossible' as time goes on. And that's before getting into the fact that the system in general is designed specifically to discredit victims, especially when the accused is a person of power and influence. The victim deserves consideration and not just to be ignored and maligned by people.
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Is there non-fight sequence in the MCU better than the bit in Homecoming where Spidey stops a bike thief and does a flip for a random New Yorker?
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SonicRulez posted:Is there non-fight sequence in the MCU better than the bit in Homecoming where Spidey stops a bike thief and does a flip for a random New Yorker? michael pena telling stories in ant man
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I would also vote for: -the Steve Rogers training stuff in Cap 1 -Thor talking to Surtur at the beginning of Ragnarok
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Rhyno posted:I just hadn't seen any updates in the CD thread which has been pretty on top of that stuff. The alleged victim's twitter account hasn't posted anything since Nov 15. https://twitter.com/imasurvivor4eva/with_replies
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:There was a good thread on this a while back which I have unfortunately lost but the gist of it was basically looking for 'proof' in assault and related cases is difficult enough when the incident is fresh, and trends closer towards 'impossible' as time goes on. And that's before getting into the fact that the system in general is designed specifically to discredit victims, especially when the accused is a person of power and influence. It sucks. It completely sucks that it's so hard for victims of sex crimes to find support and vindication in our rape-supportive culture, that they have to hurdle such hoops only to be dismissed. And there are ways for us to improve on that, and I wouldn't mind at all if this case could be investigated somehow. But similarly, it just feels bluntly infeasible to simply take this story at face value. At minimum it might be helpful if it weren't an anonymous article, though obviously I understand why someone would prefer to be anonymous here. Maybe I'm being a lovely person here too, and when the truth somehow comes out I'll have to eat these words. Hey, here's hoping! But before that happens, "always believe the victim" is not always a flawless answer either. edit: .................wow this post comes across really badly with the avatar I have.......... BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Dec 5, 2017 |
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I feel different about accusations that have a name or face attached than I do about anonymous accusations on the internet. I don’t think people are willing to out themselves through the meat grinder of public scrutiny to make those kinds of claims falsely outside of edge cases, but I think that’s probably a lot more likely with the safety of anonymity where you can say anything without consequence.
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Even without weird anonymous accusations she’s still a terrorist.
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Someone went internet detective on the Gadot thing and found some interesting bits regarding the author who published the article on Medium. I relayed that in the Sexual Harassment thread in CineD. Again, I'm not dismissing the accusation against Gadot at all entirely, but the information that was found makes the whole thing a bit more suspect. You can click on the date/time in the tweet to expand the thread on twitter to read the whole thing. teagone posted:Someone did some digging on Twitter and linked the author of the Gadot article to an account on Kinja under the username Kateri. This link between hasn't been verified however, and the author on twitter denies any association with that account, but the Kateri user on Kinja did post this comment on a Jezebel article about Gadot 3 days before the Medium article was published that seems kinda suspect: [edit] Someone also mentioned if you were the victim, why publish an anonymous article on Medium and not take the story directly, while still maintaining anonymity, to a bigger media outlet like The New York Times or Hollywood Reporter. teagone fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Dec 5, 2017 |
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Yeah, but by paying taxes I tacitly support the American Military Industrial Complex so I don’t know how much room I have to criticize.
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Ojjeorago posted:Even without weird anonymous accusations she’s still a terrorist.
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BrianWilly posted:And it's hyperbole like these that unfortunately make the accusations even harder to take at face value. What hyperbole? She’s a known member of IDF.
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Ojjeorago posted:She’s a known member of IDF. I know she supports them now (or in that tweet from 2014 or w/e at least,) but it's a compulsory service, isn't it?
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Ojjeorago posted:What hyperbole? She’s a known member of IDF. We're all terrorists on SA.
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Teenage Fansub posted:I know she supports them now (or in that tweet from 2014 or w/e at least,) but it's a compulsory service, isn't it? Unless you’re able to get some kind of exemption, religious or otherwise. Which in 2013 was about 1/4 of them.
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SonicRulez posted:Is there non-fight sequence in the MCU better than the bit in Homecoming where Spidey stops a bike thief and does a flip for a random New Yorker? This would have gotten my vote a few months ago, but then I saw Thor's "lullaby".
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SonicRulez posted:Is there non-fight sequence in the MCU better than the bit in Homecoming where Spidey stops a bike thief and does a flip for a random New Yorker? I'm really fond of the bit where Natasha makes a SAW reference and then begins to explain it to Steve who's just "I know, I've watched it". He must get so tired of people explaining things to him. The entire Avengers party in AoU poly and open-minded posted:michael pena telling stories in ant man
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It's a Wargames reference. 
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SonicRulez posted:Is there non-fight sequence in the MCU better than the bit in Homecoming where Spidey stops a bike thief and does a flip for a random New Yorker? It’s not really a funny scene, but the whole Father and Son sequence from Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2.
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SonicRulez posted:Is there non-fight sequence in the MCU better than the bit in Homecoming where Spidey stops a bike thief and does a flip for a random New Yorker? https://twitter.com/BBW_BFF/status/937426821334802433 Also the scene where Steve is running laps around Sam in the beginning of Winter Soldier
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I mean it's obvious Gal had that woman silenced right? As in she's telling the fishes now.JT Smiley posted:This would have gotten my vote a few months ago, but then I saw Thor's "lullaby". I loved a different Spiderman bit: https://youtu.be/lxsLHxEqvGE Mostly for Keaton's evil eyes in the traffic lights around 2:11. Maybe my favorite mcu scene.
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teagone posted:We're all terrorists on SA. Goons did 9/11 200 times.
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mycot posted:Goons did 9/11 200 times. That's as many as 1800/2200s, that's terrible!
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