Perestroika posted:

It's way old by now, but XIII had probably one of the worst examples of this. The game was set up to be part one of some kind of episodic deal, to the point where several of the skills shown in the skill menu weren't actually unlockable, because they'd been earmarked for a later part. The game ended on a sudden cliffhanger, all set up for the sequel... which ended up being canceled.

So yeah, maybe don't build your whole game around being only one part of a series when you don't actually have any assurance that you can actually pull through.

John Murdoch posted:

RIP Sin Episodes

John Murdoch posted:

RIP Sin Episodes

Metal Geir Skogul posted:

RIP Xenosaga

Metal Geir Skogul posted:

Was supposed to be 6 games, cut to 3 after the first two were released. They completely changed the mythology and storyline to squeeze it into one last game.

The first two had such promise, the last one had such good gameplay.

Action Tortoise posted:

iirc in XIII the sound effects visibly get bigger or smaller based on the distance of the target. that was a cool stealth feature.

Action Tortoise posted:

with XIII it was in 3D so you'd see the sounds through the walls. it was pretty helpful getting a bead on enemies without outright revealing their exact position through the walls.

BioEnchanted posted:

I loved the moment in XIII when you start that one stealth level with the searchlights from the cabin, and I saw a guard stand under the spotlight and belt out a song while foreshadowing the main characters secret identity: "You can flyyyyy! You caaaaaaan flyyyyyy! You can go the distance if ou.. tryyyyyy~! Wait! I remember! His name was Martin Flye!"

ilmucche posted:

His name was Jason fly!

Nuebot posted:

I loved when characters just randomly vanished, or dead people just showed up as if it was all cool because they had to heavily condense the story at the last minute. Then the ending twist was so dumb it hurt.

RareAcumen posted:

I thought you guys were talking about the Final Fantasy game and I was really confused..

Gitro posted:

I don't remember stun stick and shield dudes being this loving miserable to fight, but it's been a while since I played.even Origins.

John Murdoch posted:

Well in Origins stun sticks and shields literally stop mattering after you get the right skills.

I can definitely recall a couple of specific fights in Knight that were a huge pain in the rear end thanks to those. It also eventually introduces stun stick and shield heavies, the former of which sucks because IIRC even after you deactivate their stun sticks you still have to cape stun them which feels clunky and off-rhythm.

I guess a rather pertinent question is: Do you have the electro-gun yet? You can use it to deactivate stun sticks (though it honestly never feels nearly long enough). The story tells you to go get it a good fair ways into the game, but you can grab it almost from the word go. Go check the GCPD Evidence Room. Similarly, don't be like me and miss the cryo grenade for almost the entire game. Inside the Batcave/quarantine room, just sitting on a little tray on the left as you exit the elevator, right by the prison pods. I have no idea why they obfuscate that. I guess at least as a consequence, that one isn't necessary for anything.

im pooping! posted:

theres a bat cave?

Poulpe posted:

Titan Souls was an enjoyable little romp for a few hours.
What dragged it down was the final boss.
While every boss in the game was challenging, the final boss cranks that poo poo up to 50.

The idea of the game is that you're a little dude with a bow and a single arrow, you can run around, dodge roll, shoot it, and recall it after you've shot it.
Most of the bosses in the game have obvious glowing weak spots, or interesting tricks to reveal their weak spot, and they die in one hit, as do you.

The final boss is a "dark" version of you that has a light arrow to match your arrow. He will fire it at you with 1 second preparation time and if you don't dodge at that moment you die. Whenever he fires said arrow, he also produces 4 balls of light that home in on you, killing you if they touch you. His weak spot is as small as you are and appears for about a half a second in a random direction whenever it goes to fetch it's own arrow. If you ever fire and miss, using the arrow retrieval will also suck his arrow toward you, killing you if you touch it. If he gets a hold of your arrow however, he fires it bouncing around the arena, homing in on you on every bounce, and you're expected to wait until it stops before using the retrieve arrow button. If you don't, it instantly flies at you and kills you.

In short get good, but every other boss in the game felt at least fair, like if I died I messed up. When I defeated the final boss I felt like I got lucky and not much else.

Lunchmeat Larry posted:

you haven't reached the real final boss, who's pretty cool

Poulpe posted:

Titan Souls was an enjoyable little romp for a few hours.
What dragged it down was the final boss.
While every boss in the game was challenging, the final boss cranks that poo poo up to 50.

The idea of the game is that you're a little dude with a bow and a single arrow, you can run around, dodge roll, shoot it, and recall it after you've shot it.
Most of the bosses in the game have obvious glowing weak spots, or interesting tricks to reveal their weak spot, and they die in one hit, as do you.

The final boss is a "dark" version of you that has a light arrow to match your arrow. He will fire it at you with 1 second preparation time and if you don't dodge at that moment you die. Whenever he fires said arrow, he also produces 4 balls of light that home in on you, killing you if they touch you. His weak spot is as small as you are and appears for about a half a second in a random direction whenever it goes to fetch it's own arrow. If you ever fire and miss, using the arrow retrieval will also suck his arrow toward you, killing you if you touch it. If he gets a hold of your arrow however, he fires it bouncing around the arena, homing in on you on every bounce, and you're expected to wait until it stops before using the retrieve arrow button. If you don't, it instantly flies at you and kills you.

In short get good, but every other boss in the game felt at least fair, like if I died I messed up. When I defeated the final boss I felt like I got lucky and not much else.

Metal Geir Skogul posted:

Hey I'm Albedo oh the magic ship is the spear of Longinus and KOS-MOS was Mary Magdalene! Yeah, random Christian symbolism! Worked for Eva! Remember that dude that died to save you? Oops he's back to do another heroic sacrifice and oops x2 we forgot to program in his death scene.


I could have been a Xenosaga fan boy on the same level as Final Fantasy. But...Nope.

Nuebot posted:

This was the exact point I quit too. I loved the game but that boss was just no fun for me.

NoEyedSquareGuy posted:

Same, perhaps partly due to stubbornness. I was kind of determined to beat the game without looking online to see how to beat any of the bosses, but couldn't even figure out what its weak spot was supposed to be. Got killed about 50 times in a row and eventually just dropped the game entirely.

John Murdoch posted:

Well in Origins stun sticks and shields literally stop mattering after you get the right skills.

I can definitely recall a couple of specific fights in Knight that were a huge pain in the rear end thanks to those. It also eventually introduces stun stick and shield heavies, the former of which sucks because IIRC even after you deactivate their stun sticks you still have to cape stun them which feels clunky and off-rhythm.

I guess a rather pertinent question is: Do you have the electro-gun yet? You can use it to deactivate stun sticks (though it honestly never feels nearly long enough). The story tells you to go get it a good fair ways into the game, but you can grab it almost from the word go. Go check the GCPD Evidence Room. Similarly, don't be like me and miss the cryo grenade for almost the entire game. Inside the Batcave/quarantine room, just sitting on a little tray on the left as you exit the elevator, right by the prison pods. I have no idea why they obfuscate that. I guess at least as a consequence, that one isn't necessary for anything.

Metal Geir Skogul posted:

Whichever one had the "Gaaaaaary" clone vault is the best.

Action Tortoise posted: