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thresh is the most played support because people who do not support look at him as the one support to play if you don't know jack poo poo, which is almost as wrong as you can possibly be
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rabidsquid posted:thresh is the most played support because people who do not support look at him as the one support to play if you don't know jack poo poo, which is almost as wrong as you can possibly be I'd argue he's also the flashiest support out there in terms of the kind of tricks you can do with Death Sentence and Lantern, which draws people towards playing him. There's probably dozens upon dozens of sick Thresh montages out there, but you can probably count the number of sick Lulu montages on a blind butcher's hand.
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Nov 15, 2016 05:44
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rabidsquid posted:thresh is the most played support because people who do not support look at him as the one support to play if you don't know jack poo poo, which is almost as wrong as you can possibly be Ehhh, I think he's the most played because he's the one that can make plays in the most ways, most obviously, and flashiest. When the average player thinks about incredible support plays it's probably Madlife on Blitz/Thresh or some crazy BunnyFuFu clip. When a Thresh outplays you, you know it. It's the same appeal as Lee, Riven, Vayne, Zed, etc. Thresh is the most YouTube-able support. I've played an outrageous amount of support this season and even I gotta admit that Thresh is by far the most fun support.
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Nov 15, 2016 05:44
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:So, how are AP in every lane teams doing now that locket is lovely? I don't know about Summoner's Rift, but in ARAM you can really feel the lack of locket againest heavy or all AP poke comps that a team lucks into. I also really miss the health from it, it really feels more like a third item after you build something with health second on a tanky support.
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Nov 15, 2016 05:46
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I also suspect that Thresh is the most aesthetically appealing support out there for League's core demographic. "Floating wind lady" likely doesn't strike a chord with 15-24 year old men as much as "sick skeleton man with nasty hook who cackles a lot."
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Nov 15, 2016 05:47
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Alistar can make bigger plays than Thresh and you don't have to be good at hitting skill shots, and prior to his changes you didn't even have to be careful about you went in because your ult made you unbelievably buff. I love the Riven and Vayne comparisons because imagine if someone was like, "Oh I don't know how to top lane, that's why I play Riven" edit: "I don't know how to play my champ" yes good joke, but I mean as their entire top lane champion pool 
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Nov 15, 2016 05:48
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rabidsquid posted:Alistar can make bigger plays than Thresh and you don't have to be good at hitting skill shots, and prior to his changes you didn't even have to be careful about you went in because your ult made you unbelievably buff. I mean, sure, but they're not flashy. Any simpleton can W and then hold Q on a vulnerable target, but it takes considerable skill to land Death Sentence, and even more to use Lantern intelligently (rather than as a get-out-of-jail-free card). That's why people gravitate towards Thresh so much: because they want to do stylish high-skill plays with him.
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Nov 15, 2016 05:50
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rabidsquid posted:Alistar can make bigger plays than Thresh and you don't have to be good at hitting skill shots, and prior to his changes you didn't even have to be careful about you went in because your ult made you unbelievably buff. top is my secondary and I play malphite and pre-nerfed lulu lol.
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Nov 15, 2016 05:50
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Vermain posted:I mean, sure, but they're not flashy. Any simpleton can W and then hold Q on a vulnerable target, but it takes considerable skill to land Death Sentence, and even more to use Lantern intelligently (rather than as a get-out-of-jail-free card). That's why people gravitate towards Thresh so much: because they want to do stylish high-skill plays with him. Sorry, but the "I can only play Thresh" supports are probably my least favorite people to lane with, as they typically have no idea where they should be, when we can fight, and almost always miss the canon minion.
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Nov 15, 2016 05:53
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I studiously avoid this problem by only playing support, as God intended. 
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Nov 15, 2016 05:56
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Mystery Prize posted:Amumu actually got a huge powerspike with it too, not to mention his early game clear is way better now. Raptors > Wolves > Blue > Gromp loving owns, and he doesn't really need a leash that way. The reason is that all of the monsters in the camp are level 2 so you get the 30 bonus XP on every one you kill before you hit level 2.
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Nov 15, 2016 05:58
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rabidsquid posted:Alistar can make bigger plays than Thresh and you don't have to be good at hitting skill shots, and prior to his changes you didn't even have to be careful about you went in because your ult made you unbelievably buff. People that play league think they're loving amazing at League. If Alistar had exactly the same kit but his W was a skillshot he'd be more popular because ~high skill~
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Nov 15, 2016 05:58
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rabidsquid posted:Sorry, but the "I can only play Thresh" supports are probably my least favorite people to lane with, as they typically have no idea where they should be, when we can fight, and almost always miss the canon minion. tbh I think supp is the one lane where this is almost forgivable. Supps who just pick janna/sora/etc and just spend the whole game standing behind their adc are basically bizarro version of win or feed all in tops.
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Nov 15, 2016 06:02
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kingcobweb posted:People that play league think they're loving amazing at League. If Alistar had exactly the same kit but his W was a skillshot he'd be more popular because ~high skill~ To be fair, people like having a gradual sense of mastery when they play a game. Even if, like me, you readily acknowledge that you're pretty garbage compared to vast swathes of the playerbase, it's still fun to play something that's challenging and gradually learn the ins-and-outs so that you can occasionally pull off those high-skill plays. Despite Sona continuing to be obscenely strong at every stage of the game, I just can't stand to play her because of how it never feels like I'm doing anything other than hitting all of my buttons at high speed.
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Nov 15, 2016 06:05
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Maybe more people would play supports if they bothered releasing new ones. Last support released was Tahm Kench in 2015. NEED MORE MIDS. NEED MORE MIDS.
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Nov 15, 2016 06:16
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Vermain posted:I'd argue he's also the flashiest support out there in terms of the kind of tricks you can do with Death Sentence and Lantern, which draws people towards playing him. There's probably dozens upon dozens of sick Thresh montages out there, but you can probably count the number of sick Lulu montages on a blind butcher's hand. Pretty much all of his skills are Big Plays skills, which make him super appealing to people who dont like to passively support people. On top of the two you listed, Flay is absolutely amazing for breaking dashes (ala Singed vs. Lee Sin), which is incredibly satisfying and very noticable.
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Nov 15, 2016 06:17
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mistaya posted:Maybe more people would play supports if they bothered releasing new ones. Last support released was Tahm Kench in 2015. They keep giving all of the potentially cool support abilities (a short-ranged team teleport? a massive wall that can be used to block off the enemy? a projectile-blocking barrier?) to loving midlaners and it really cheeses me off!! gently caress!!!
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Nov 15, 2016 06:19
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They reworked a support to have a teamwide 2.5 second invulnerability and still no one plays him. It's not gonna be solved just with new supports unless they're as fun as Thresh.
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Nov 15, 2016 06:21
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taric is hard to play. 
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Nov 15, 2016 06:24
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His ult has a 160s cooldown which translates to a 480 second cooldown between useful ones
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Nov 15, 2016 06:26
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Tired Moritz posted:taric is hard to play. For me, he really doesn't feel that great to play. Like, he's perfectly acceptable as a support, but the fantasy of "man who swings his hammer while supporting his team" never really materializes, except at the very earliest stages of the game. By the time midgame rolls around, waddling into melee range to proc your passive with no additional mobility is futile at best and suicide at worst.
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Nov 15, 2016 06:27
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Tired Moritz posted:taric is hard to play. He's not (only) hard to play, he's boring. Which is the definitive death of a support character, even for people who like support. As long as you feel like you've got to focus and invest some small amount of skill, support can be fun, even if you do end up as ward/cc bitch. Supports like Taric, Sona, sorta kinda Janna, Soraka, don't have anything mechanically going for them, and that's just double unfun. Which is why I'm advocating Lissandra support as season 7s hot new gimmick.
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Nov 15, 2016 06:30
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Orv posted:Which is why I'm advocating Lissandra support as season 7s hot new gimmick. I've thought about it before as well, and it'd probably work alright if all of her poo poo didn't cost fifty billion mana a cast.
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Nov 15, 2016 06:34
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Yeah, there's gotta be some way around that other than "only engage every 18 seconds" but I have to find time to use this free Lissandra somewhere.
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Nov 15, 2016 06:42
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Old taric was actually more fun to play because he was an insanely brutal bully the second you got any kind of advantage at all.
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Nov 15, 2016 06:48
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Work Friend Keven posted:Old taric was actually more fun to play because he was an insanely brutal bully the second you got any kind of advantage at all. You could also jungle him and be useful Terrible at clearing with any measure of speed though
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Nov 15, 2016 06:57
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Honestly I liked old taric a lot for the opposite reason, he wasn't flashy but he had consistent options available that were always at least decent if you used them right. Imo their trend of making x better but with counterplay wasn't always a good decision, particularly when you factor in how varied their own concept of counterplay is. It's okay for champs to be designed around winning in x situation so long as you provide the opportunity to make plans that avoid it. Mobility creep wouldn't be such an obvious issue in the game if they just left in poo poo like the old dazzle.
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Nov 15, 2016 07:14
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Work Friend Keven posted:Old taric was actually more fun to play because he was an insanely brutal bully the second you got any kind of advantage at all. He was also more flexible for wacky builds RIP gunblade rageblade spirit visage Taric from when his ult was a heal aura that lasted until you were drained of mana, too beautiful for this world
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ArbitraryC posted:Honestly I liked old taric a lot for the opposite reason, he wasn't flashy but he had consistent options available that were always at least decent if you used them right. Imo their trend of making x better but with counterplay wasn't always a good decision, particularly when you factor in how varied their own concept of counterplay is. It's okay for champs to be designed around winning in x situation so long as you provide the opportunity to make plans that avoid it. Mobility creep wouldn't be such an obvious issue in the game if they just left in poo poo like the old dazzle. He was a lot like Alistar. He wasn't Thresh, he wasn't Zyra, but when you made plays you could practically feel the enemy lane freaking out in voice. Honestly I need to find more weird fighter support options that let you just chunk people around in lane. Or play Nautilus again, drat the meta.
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Nov 15, 2016 07:22
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 So I tried Rengar.
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Orv posted:He was a lot like Alistar. He wasn't Thresh, he wasn't Zyra, but when you made plays you could practically feel the enemy lane freaking out in voice. Ali is a good example of what I mean, there's p much no counterplay over his initiation other than staying out of range of it (or at least knowing when it can happen for reaction flash) when he has the opportunity and that's a-okay in my book. There's no need to turn headbutt into yet another skillshot minigame it's fine as is.
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Nov 15, 2016 07:41
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Though if you wanted to turn Headbutt into a skill shot that also Sion'd creeps away for a slow against your champion target, I wouldn't complain.
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Nov 15, 2016 08:30
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Methanar posted:
That seems a bit more snowbally then his older bonus of getting some added utility to his passive and ult.
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Nov 15, 2016 09:21
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Tahm Kench top is secret OP Sunfire, ZzRot and Spirit Visage. Shits on all the new assassins, Darius and Nasus, get it while it's hot boys
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Nov 15, 2016 09:48
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Taciturn Tactician posted:Is Darius still really good? Yeah. Darius and Riven are both solid choices and they've always been as far as I've played.
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Nov 15, 2016 09:57
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Tip if you go ivern, if you take mobility boots, don't go cinderhulk it will put you in combat with the jungle despite being your friends.
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Nov 15, 2016 10:08
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Well, looks like riot is trying to fix flex queue. http://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/announcements-en/Pob3UmE4-flex-queue-fix-and-replacements-information
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Nov 15, 2016 12:36
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Ivern on TT is way better than I gave him credit for. Insta smite enemy wolves for a quick level 2, then just go annoy the enemy jungler while he does wraiths. They have to deal with you getting them low and wraiths only attacking them, so you can usually get them low enough to back before going back to your own jungle and setting up. smite stealing full camps is really strong when junglers already have a hard time keeping up. By the time I hit 6 the enemy rengar was 3 with 7 CS
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Nov 15, 2016 13:03
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sure is cool losing because i randomly spike to 1000 ping for no reason 35 minutes into the game during the fight over elder dragon
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gross gore has gone full xj9 l0l
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