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Sir Tonk posted:Gonna be plenty of bards to go around, don't you worry Punk rocks gonna be great again.
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Nov 30, 2016 06:35
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Sorry I killed hte forums
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Nov 30, 2016 06:35
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Sir Tonk posted:A sentient rock could've beaten Trump as long as it focused on a positive economic message. Even if that's true, it won't be so easy in 2020.
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Nov 30, 2016 06:36
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Boon posted:Yeah the breaking of unions and citizens united pretty much guaranteed the Democrats couldn't run nationally without business interests in mind. Yeah then why did we lose with their backing?
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Nov 30, 2016 06:38
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Trabisnikof posted:Even if that's true, it won't be so easy in 2020.
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Nov 30, 2016 06:38
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cheese posted:It will be if tax cuts for the rich fail to bring back 5m rust belt manufacturing jobs (and they will). Democrats fault sorry they didn't let us cut taxes enough. See also: the state of Kansas.
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Nov 30, 2016 06:40
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Crowsbeak posted:Yeah then why did we lose with their backing?
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Nov 30, 2016 06:42
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Mustached Demon posted:Punk rocks gonna be great again. Punk is dead.
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Nov 30, 2016 06:42
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UV_Catastrophe posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/world/americas/western-liberal-democracy.html "This professor says that democracy is about to fall! Click here to find out more!" Questions like "is it essential to live in a democracy?" are pretty loving broad. Also young_people_are_cynical.jpg
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Nov 30, 2016 06:45
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Either way the arts or going to be fascinating in the next decade.
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Nov 30, 2016 06:46
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Mustached Demon posted:Democrats fault sorry they didn't let us cut taxes enough.
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Nov 30, 2016 06:49
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cheese posted:Kansas, whose economic policies have been so successful that they got a dozen of Brownback's incumbent state legislators primaried by moderate Republicans running against his policies and caused Brownback, who won 63% of the vote in his 2010 to only narrowly beat his Democratic challenger in 2014 49% to 46%? Kansas has been such a loving disaster that the state was 30k votes from electing a Democrat again. And this is Kansas folks. Damnit these facts run contrary to my push towards sorrow!!! Unrelated, can aborted fetus-powered furnaces be used to heat abortion clinics? I smell opportunity.
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Nov 30, 2016 06:56
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cheese posted:Kansas, whose economic policies have been so successful that they got a dozen of Brownback's incumbent state legislators primaried by moderate Republicans running against his policies and caused Brownback, who won 63% of the vote in his 2010 to only narrowly beat his Democratic challenger in 2014 49% to 46%? Kansas has been such a loving disaster that the state was 30k votes from electing a Democrat again. And this is Kansas folks. And things only had to get so bad the governor was threatening to defund the supreme court after it pointed out that his education budget cuts were illegal, and that people in neighboring states were getting asthma attacks like crazy during the summer when Kansas lit on fire and the state had no effective fire response capability due to budget cuts. I guess all we need to do in order to break through the rust is to let things get a little worse than Brownback's Kansas for a little while.
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Nov 30, 2016 06:57
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Huh. I guess that's a point in the accelerationism column.
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Nov 30, 2016 07:02
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Boon posted:Huh. I guess that's a point in the accelerationism column. Well a point for a narrow loss.
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Nov 30, 2016 07:02
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Fojar38 posted:The President is supposed to be able to quickly and efficiently launch a nuclear strike at a particular alert level. Not literally at any time for any reason. Trump would have to justify putting America's forces on the highest alert and readying its nuclear arsenal to everyone and that isn't happening unless there really is cause for it. Like a Cuban Missile Crisis tier event and the geopolitical circumstances for one simply don't exist. You all keep saying things like this, but I don't think Mark Cuban is that rich. Or crazy.
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Nov 30, 2016 07:04
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Joementum posted:We're going to need more bards and clerics to run if we're relying on high CHA. Kanye has 20/20!
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Nov 30, 2016 07:19
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Guy Goodbody posted:I love that Trump's election has overnight turned all Democrats into accelerationists.
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Nov 30, 2016 07:22
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Kilroy posted:The argument against accelerationism isn't that things don't have to get worse before they get better, it's that letting things get worse as a path to eventually making them better is almost never worth it. I can jump for joy that the neoliberal faction of the Democratic party is probably mortally wounded - until I realize that neoliberalism was apparently the only thing standing between us and fascism. Now instead of leftists having to fight neoliberalism - a conflict they needed to win eventually but one that doesn't put the future of our species in jeopardy - they have to fight fascism instead. The stakes are raised significantly now. The argument is it gets worse, then continues to get worse, not better.
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Nov 30, 2016 07:34
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Sir Tonk posted:A sentient rock could've beaten Trump as long as it focused on a positive economic message. Yep. She had one at one point but as noted in an article posted earlier today she abandoned it to focus on Trump's character failings. Which I, like many others, considered a masterstroke move at the time but obviously it totally backfired. The Dems can take back the Presidency in 2020 without too much difficulty IF they can focus on Trump's assuredly disastrous economic policies that we'll see over the next 4 years. Hit him especially hard on health care and medicare in particular. People didn't like Hillary because, among other things, she didn't promise widespread change, just continued incremental progress. Well it won't be hard for the Dems in 2020 to promise widespread change from whatever hosed up poo poo Trump is doing. Just promising to roll back to Obama era policies will be considered change. Just repackage it all under a new banner and there you go, Change We Can Believe In 2.0
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Nov 30, 2016 07:35
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USPol November: We accelerated into the wall
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Nov 30, 2016 07:36
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Yep. She had one at one point but as noted in an article posted earlier today she abandoned it to focus on Trump's character failings. Which I, like many others, considered a masterstroke move at the time but obviously it totally backfired. so we're already setting up invoking Obama's name like republicans do for Reagan?
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Nov 30, 2016 07:40
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Business Gorillas posted:so we're already setting up invoking Obama's name like republicans do for Reagan? Works doesn't it?
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Nov 30, 2016 07:43
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Are there any good studies of what happens to fascist regimes during economic downturns? Not gaining power as a result of a bad economy, but the economy noticeably getting worse during their regime? Trump can talk about how many factory jobs he "saved" all he wants, but people's votes are mostly decided by their own personal financial situation and I don't see that getting better or even staying stagnant for most people. What happens when the economy goes down the tubes and the social safety nets are slashed? Trump just goes full race wars and hopes that's enough to get re-elected?
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Nov 30, 2016 07:44
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HorseRenoir posted:Are there any good studies of what happens to fascist regimes during economic downturns? Not gaining power as a result of a bad economy, but the economy noticeably getting worse during their regime? Look at Iberia.
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Nov 30, 2016 07:46
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if i had any faith in the electorate, i'd hope that trump sending the economy screaming into a pit while he chants "JOBS JOBS JOBS" would help divorce the illusion that some arbitrary number of jobs is going to fix the economy then again jobs are basically the points in political football so 
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Nov 30, 2016 07:48
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I genuinely pity whoever that is. Sorry, wait...paying to read this and then pitying someone who is being paid to read this is like a synopsis of "Why Trump Won"
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Nov 30, 2016 07:52
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Mustached Demon posted:Democrats fault sorry they didn't let us cut taxes enough. I know the republicans have got a lot of mileage out of this line of attack but it is starting to get a bit thin and will only become even thinner once people lose their health insurance and it is undeniably a direct consequence of loving around with the ACA. Hardcore republicans will always buy that line but, despite winning the EC, we know that most people aren't buying it and are willing to vote for a lovely democrat.
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Nov 30, 2016 07:53
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If I had any faith in the electorate I'd want someone to run as a proud democratic socialist.
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Nov 30, 2016 07:54
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Fidel Castronaut posted:I know the republicans have got a lot of mileage out of this line of attack but it is starting to get a bit thin and will only become even thinner once people lose their health insurance and it is undeniably a direct consequence of loving around with the ACA. Hardcore republicans will always buy that line but, despite winning the EC, we know that most people aren't buying it and are willing to vote for a lovely democrat. I don't have faith in the electorate to direct their frustrations towards someone who deserves it.
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Nov 30, 2016 08:00
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Mustached Demon posted:I don't have faith in the electorate to direct their frustrations towards someone who deserves it. I don't know man. I mean, we have every right to "arzy" as the kids call it, but we have the most unpopular president ever about to take Obama's place with a rubber stamp to do whatever the hell he (and his cronies) want to do and it is going to severely gently caress over poor people and pretty much everybody else too. If crappy rear end Hillary almost beat Trump and only lost by razor margins in a few key states, then as much as Americans are (realtalk) complete loving idiots who deserve the world's derision, I don't think Trump has a chance in 2020 if we run somebody who just says hi to poor people from time to time. We get the same voters, some of the lazy people who couldn't bother going to the polls because they didn't know how bad he would be, and a few people who learned the error of their ways. Trump doesn't serve two terms unless he completely destroys the electoral process, which doesn't have a non-zero chance.
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People won't even believe we're in a recession unless it personally affects them. So yeah Trump could destroy the economy ,but I am pretty sure any economic downturn will be blamed on Obama. Also, you make some very big assumptions. One of which is that the Republican's won't go after voter suppresion on a federal level.
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Nov 30, 2016 08:10
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spunkshui posted:Required Identification for Voting in Person The best part about all of this, if you want to know how Texas is trying to prevent poor people and brown people from voting, is that the ID card the Department of Corrections issues people who don't have a valid ID when they get released on parole or after time served does not count as an official government document. So a state issued ID card is not valid for voting...somehow.
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Mustached Demon posted:I don't have faith in the electorate to direct their frustrations towards someone who deserves it. Its all about who's holding the bag when the poo poo hits the fan.
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Nov 30, 2016 08:17
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Crowsbeak posted:Its all about who's holding the bag when the poo poo hits the fan. Right. It'll land squarely on the Democratic party's door step, covered/filled in poo poo, and on fire. It'll be up to whatever jerk they nominate in 2020 to not stomp on it.
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Nov 30, 2016 08:21
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negromancer posted:The best part about all of this, if you want to know how Texas is trying to prevent poor people and brown people from voting, is that the ID card the Department of Corrections issues people who don't have a valid ID when they get released on parole or after time served does not count as an official government document. Does Texas even restore voting rights to former felons to begin with? I know Rick Scott walked back Florida's restoration after Crist got resounding approval for automatic restoration of non-violent offenders. Crist restored the rights of 150,000 Floridians in his term. Scott restored the rights of 1,500.
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Nov 30, 2016 08:22
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B B posted:Punk is dead. Punk is very much alive, you just aren't looking hard enough 
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Nov 30, 2016 08:23
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Spaced God posted:Punk is very much alive, you just aren't looking hard enough Nah. Punk is dead and what is left is a sad simulacrum.
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Hollismason posted:People won't even believe we're in a recession unless it personally affects them. So yeah Trump could destroy the economy ,but I am pretty sure any economic downturn will be blamed on Obama. Acknowledging voter suppression is right in the last sentence of my post. It's going to be hard to ignore what is going on with the economy and health care when the guy who ran on getting rid of that health care law thing then gets rid of that health care law thing and then everybody gets hosed because they can't afford a z-pack. I don't think you understand how hosed we're going to be. At some point, "OBAMA DID THIS!" isn't going to get much purchase when Johnny Poor Person isn't able to get his insulin shots. The guy has like -13% favorability. He won on a fumble. He will do all sorts of terrible poo poo but people will not be eating it up. Shbobdb posted:Nah. Punk is dead and what is left is a sad simulacrum. Good riddance. Most of the punks I know grew up to be parodies of themselves. If people need a musical genre to save them now, look to afro-futurism.
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