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Happy 4th of July from Rand. P.S. you're living under tyranny and the government controls your life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwPXPYYRTlc
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Jul 5, 2015 14:00
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Joementum posted:The VP selection has no effect on the final vote in the general election so the shrewd thing to do as a candidate is to pick the person you can get along with and is closest to your own ideas on policy. This person is going to be hanging around the halls in Hillary's administration for eight years. She shouldn't pick the person who she thinks will (but actually won't anyway) matter on election day. She should pick the person who isn't going to give her headaches over the next 3,000 days.
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Jul 5, 2015 14:04
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Either Scott Walker's staff has done a really good job in not uploading the final complete image yet or nobody cares enough to attempt to guess its URL.
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Jul 5, 2015 14:04
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Shorter Bernie: "Yeah, I'm gonna grab all your guns." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcihMxfQBiI
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Jul 5, 2015 14:05
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meristem posted:Heh. So can I ask for the third or so time, who it's going to be? Is there a chart of, 'who gives Hillary the fewest headaches'? Comedy option: Terry McAuliffe  But really, only Hillary knows and she'll develop new relationships as she campaigns over the next year. Obama got to know Biden on the campaign trail in the primary and that played a big part in his selection. Maybe Hillary warms up to Webb or O'Malley, or gets to know better a politician who acts as a campaign surrogate, as Paul Ryan did for Romney.
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Jul 5, 2015 14:08
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Joementum posted:Comedy option: Terry McAuliffe I can't picture Webb for VP. Even Virginians don't like him.
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Jul 5, 2015 14:14
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Webb is a passable veep pick only if Hillary's folks think his Appalachian Strategy is a good idea, which I don't think they're quite dumb enough to do.PT6A posted:By that metric, is it possible Trump is one of the finest politicians ever? Trump is what would happen if Your Stupid Uncle* got super duper rich. He probably doesn't seem all that insane to a lot of people. Hell, I can guarantee you there's a ton of "that Trump, at least he speaks his mind, tells it like it is, doesn't talk around the issue like a Politician" going on in middle-american households as we speak. He's the kind of New Money schlub - privileged but totally uninhibited by any kind of social code or expectation - that makes you almost appreciate patricianism. *or if you come from a genteel family, think maybe Danny DeVito's character from Always Sunny PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Jul 5, 2015 |
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Jul 5, 2015 14:17
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Hillary finding new and innovative ways to duck questions http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2016-hillary-clinton-campaign-corrals-reporters-at-july-fourth-parade/ quote:GORHAM, N.H. -- Nothing says freedom on Independence Day like corralling reporters with a rope to keep them away from Hillary Clinton as she marches in a July 4th parade. 
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Jul 5, 2015 14:26
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PupsOfWar posted:Trump is what would happen if Your Stupid Uncle* got super duper rich. He probably doesn't seem all that insane to a lot of people. Hell, I can guarantee you there's a ton of "that Trump, at least he speaks his mind, tells it like it is, doesn't talk around the issue like a Politician" going on in middle-american households as we speak. My Stupid Uncle (who is indeed American) actually probably loves Trump, you're right.
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Jul 5, 2015 14:27
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Joementum posted:The VP selection has no effect on the final vote in the general election so the shrewd thing to do as a candidate is to pick the person you can get along with and is closest to your own ideas on policy. This person is going to be hanging around the halls in Hillary's administration for eight years. She shouldn't pick the person who she thinks will (but actually won't anyway) matter on election day. She should pick the person who isn't going to give her headaches over the next 3,000 days. *gasp* Huma! 
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Jul 5, 2015 14:29
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The best description I've heard of Trump is that he acts like how a hobo thinks a rich guy should act like.
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Jul 5, 2015 14:31
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EugeneJ posted:Hillary finding new and innovative ways to duck questions gently caress the media, op
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Jul 5, 2015 14:33
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Yeah, I can't see anyone who doesn't already hate her caring that she doesn't let cameramen yell inane questions at her when she's not doing press events. Plus, the longer she plays hard to get, the more the news will obsess over her.
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Jul 5, 2015 14:53
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Joementum posted:The VP selection has no effect on the final vote in the general election so the shrewd thing to do as a candidate is to pick the person you can get along with and is closest to your own ideas on policy. This person is going to be hanging around the halls in Hillary's administration for eight years. She shouldn't pick the person who she thinks will (but actually won't anyway) matter on election day. She should pick the person who isn't going to give her headaches over the next 3,000 days. Didn't Palin cause a dip for McCain? Not that he was doing all that great anyways.
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Jul 5, 2015 14:58
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Nanomashoes posted:Didn't Palin cause a dip for McCain? Not that he was doing all that great anyways. She caused a bump that was within the normal parameters. She did buttress his proto-Tea Party bona fides though. Like almost every VP candidate Sara Palin neither added nor subtracted votes from John McCain, she did seem to change the intensity levels of support and antipathy among more demographics than usual.
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Jul 5, 2015 15:06
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EugeneJ posted:Hillary finding new and innovative ways to duck questions Martha. Coakley.
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I also was going to ask about Palin. I'd like to know more about why that pick didn't actually hurt McCain's McCampaign. Because what little attention I paid to that election (I tried not to watch TV, voted straight Dem and went home like I do every general election), it seemed like McCain wasn't a joke, and then he was after picking that grinning psychopath.
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Jul 5, 2015 15:31
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Fulchrum posted:Yeah, I can't see anyone who doesn't already hate her caring that she doesn't let cameramen yell inane questions at her when she's not doing press events. Plus, asking her to respond to Trump's latest insanity? I'd say "gently caress that, it's pie time" too, and I can't imagine Bernie Sanders would waste his breath on someone he knows won't win the GOP nomination either.
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Jul 5, 2015 15:34
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Joementum posted:Shorter Bernie: "Yeah, I'm gonna grab all your guns." I'm a Chicagoan who owns a few rifles. Semi-automatic ones, even. Bernie thinks I'm part of the problem.  Maybe I'll move to a rural area. Then my rifles will just be an alternative lifestyle that's worthy of respect.Jokes aside, Bernie's actually got a fairly reasonable position on the subject. I do wonder, however, if any politician who singles out "semi-auto" weapons has ever looked up what that term actually, you know, MEANS.
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Yeah I sort of have a hard time believing that Sarah Palin as a VP pick did not at all influence some voters away from McCain, especially when it's someone that's specifically of McCain's age and potential health problems, unless we get into the whole shebang of how there aren't really "swing/independent" voters and everyone who thought Palin was a bad choice was already going to vote for Obama anyway and it's all a matter of inducing and enabling people to vote, period.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Yeah I sort of have a hard time believing that Sarah Palin as a VP pick did not at all influence some voters away from McCain, especially when it's someone that's specifically of McCain's age and potential health problems, unless we get into the whole shebang of how there aren't really "swing/independent" voters and everyone who thought Palin was a bad choice was already going to vote for Obama anyway and it's all a matter of inducing and enabling people to vote, period. I'm one of those assholes who goes out and votes straight party on general elections and usually does nothing in the primary or local elections. If I were a Rep that cycle, I probably just would've refused to vote and stayed home and got drunk. Like, if Hillary wins the nom and picks Carrot Top as her VP, I'm probably just going to stay home.
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The Hamburgler, maybe.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Yeah I sort of have a hard time believing that Sarah Palin as a VP pick did not at all influence some voters away from McCain I consider myself an independent, but the vast majority of the time I find myself holding my nose and voting for the Democrats. When the 2008 election season opened, I had a very high opinion of McCain. His reputation was that of "the sane one in the GOP", the one who could work with both parties and wasn't in the pocket of the far right wing. It would be nice to vote for a Republican for a change, I had thought. But during that campaign, it seemed like every time he opened his mouth, he was trying to annoy me personally. By the time the conventions rolled around, I was already leaning way away from him, but it was his selection of a running mate that served to finally nail the coffin shut.
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Jul 5, 2015 16:03
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Lazy_Liberal posted:OK, I bet you that Bernie doesn't win the nomination. What do I get for winning? Retaining your seniority.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Yeah I sort of have a hard time believing that Sarah Palin as a VP pick did not at all influence some voters away from McCain, especially when it's someone that's specifically of McCain's age and potential health problems, unless we get into the whole shebang of how there aren't really "swing/independent" voters and everyone who thought Palin was a bad choice was already going to vote for Obama anyway and it's all a matter of inducing and enabling people to vote, period. It's not so much that everyone who thought Palin was a bad choice was already going to vote Obama, it's that John McCain was already hosed anyway. Palin was a Hail Mary that failed, but she was just another in a line of missteps by McCain. Remember how he suspended the campaign for a short bit to deal with the economic crisis? By the time it gets to the conventions everyone who is going to vote has already made up their mind, and it would take either a loving amazing VP pick or a horrifyingly disastrous VP pick to really change anything. We're talking Jesus/completely uncharismatic Satan level picks. Sarah Palin is an easy thing to point to and say, "that's the thing that really hosed McCain", because she is loving horrible. Republicans generally liked or found her tolerable though. People who say that Sarah Palin was the reason they didn't vote for McCain most likely either were already voting Obama anyway or are rewriting their personal history to conform to popular opinion. Considering the millions of people who voted in the election, there probably are a few who did switch their vote, but they're a just a small subsection of the insignificant number of people who honestly couldn't make up their mind between Obama and McCain in September of '08. Sorry, but independent thinking moderates who swing elections based on the "facts" are pretty much a modern myth of the media. Horse race narrative just isn't as sexy when you admit that it's about partisan turnout instead of deep thinking independents. Which is good, because who the hell wants the fate of the nation resting on indecisive idiots who can't pick between two different choices given almost two whole years to decide?
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Solid Poopsnake posted:I also was going to ask about Palin. I'd like to know more about why that pick didn't actually hurt McCain's McCampaign. Because what little attention I paid to that election (I tried not to watch TV, voted straight Dem and went home like I do every general election), it seemed like McCain wasn't a joke, and then he was after picking that grinning psychopath. There's a reason McCain made that pick in the first place. The polling was not on his side. Obama had been leading in the polls for months at that point, and so he decided to choose Palin as a kind of last gasp attempt to energize people in support of his campaign. Had she not been a complete rube it would have been fine. He bet it all on red, let it ride, and he lost, though. Palin was arguably better than his first choice, though. Thankfully someone was able to talk him out of choosing Lieberman. ErIog fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jul 5, 2015 |
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Gyges posted:Sorry, but independent thinking moderates who swing elections based on the "facts" are pretty much a modern myth of the media. Horse race narrative just isn't as sexy when you admit that it's about partisan turnout instead of deep thinking independents. Which is good, because who the hell wants the fate of the nation resting on indecisive idiots who can't pick between two different choices given almost two whole years to decide? Don't get me wrong, I agree with this, which is why I brought it up in the first place. That was a good response, thanks.
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Joementum posted:Comedy option: Terry McAuliffe He can help her put up signs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKdyEPGiM7o
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...aa61_story.htmlquote:But the image Clinton projected during this rare glimpse as a candidate away from the podium seemed to reinforce how very different she is from the voters she was courting. She marched briskly down Main Street in a cocoon of campaign staffers and Secret Service agents. Hecklers followed her, shouting epithets. The former secretary of state enthusiastically shook hands and exchanged pleasantries with supporters — “Good to see you!” “I need your vote.” “Let’s make it happen!” — but only occasionally slowed down to chat, such as when aides directed her to a Marine Corps veteran in a wheelchair.
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Is it just me, or does Clinton seem to be Nixon with more estrogen?
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PupsOfWar posted:
Except he grew up extremely wealthy. Fred Trump was a slumlord (think Donald Sterling) though.
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Also, candidates often do actually love parades. It allows them to interact with real americans, and gives them a break from MAKING THEIR CALLS GODDAMNIT WHY ARE YOU WALKING AND NOT TALKING ABOUT MONEY?
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Gyges posted:It's not so much that everyone who thought Palin was a bad choice was already going to vote Obama, it's that John McCain was already hosed anyway. Palin was a Hail Mary that failed, but she was just another in a line of missteps by McCain. Remember how he suspended the campaign for a short bit to deal with the economic crisis? By the time it gets to the conventions everyone who is going to vote has already made up their mind, and it would take either a loving amazing VP pick or a horrifyingly disastrous VP pick to really change anything. We're talking Jesus/completely uncharismatic Satan level picks. To me is just seems like an asinine choice but thats with hindsight. They picked someone who a genuine rich redneck instead of someone who could fake it. i mean the newest news with the palins was a massive drunken brawl in which almost all of them participated in and the daughter announcing she was having a bastard. This is honey boo boo levels of lovely white trash. its just the palins have money so the GOP probably hoped it was just an act for the rubes, like with W being a good ol boy and most black republicans. McCain was hosed from the start sure. But palin didnt help the optics or the votes.
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Jul 5, 2015 16:48
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Man gently caress being a famous politician in this country. There's no amount of power that makes getting constantly harassed by random assholes worth it.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Is it just me, or does Clinton seem to be Nixon with more estrogen? Well, Nixon was the last liberal president according to people here so that's a good thing!
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Man gently caress politicians in this country. There's no amount of money that makes getting constantly harassed by random assholes worth it. Now you know how the 1% feels.
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A progressive Nixon would actually be pretty great.
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The X-man cometh posted:A progressive Nixon would actually be pretty great. A Democratic Congress would be much better.
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My Imaginary GF posted:A Democratic Congress would be much better. Unironically agreeing with MIGF. It was thanks to a Dem-dominated Congress that the fiction of the "liberal Nixon" even exists.
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